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In other news, li-ion batteries degrade with usage and age. Glad your android batteries are immune from the laws of physics.

Good for for you for still buying Apple's BS. Apple got red handed for lying to its customers and now offering half a$$ed response. God, Apple fans are easily satisfied
 
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Came across this post on reddit. Just for a little bit of perspective, in case you are one of those thinking “Oh, I will happily accept some random shutdowns in exchange for full performance.”
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I continue to believe that Apple had the best of intentions here. So Apple’s communication could use a little more work. Not some dire sin in my opinion.
 
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Good for for you for still buying Apple's BS. Apple got red handed for lying to its customers and now offering half a$$ed response. God, Apple fans are easily satisfied

It’s baffling how people are defending this.

I’ve been an Apple loyalist since 2008. This has definitely been a bitter pill to swallow. I mean, what else are they up to behind the scenes?
 
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Not really, it's about customer satisfaction. My iPhone 2g, my iPhone 4, my iPhone 4s, my iPad Air, my iPad mini retina. All this devices are more than 4 years old, and they refuse to die, specially the iPhone 4 and the 4s and the iPad retina.

Those are products with a great quality.

I can tell you my alarm still works after 10 years of use. My old Acer laptop which I brought around 2007, still works, just Windows XP is little bit outdates. Runs Lububtu pretty well.
 
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The only positive thing about this is the reduce of the replacement to a more reasonable price. Which means that Apple was overpricing the change too as they do with their products.

But there isn't any change in their attitude. WHERE is the option to choose between a slower mode and full power even if the battery last less time? They still force the iPhone to be a lot slower if the software consider it old and we still don't know if the full power is only restored with original batteries. IS like pay a fee each time that the software decide that is time to slow your iPhone again! But soon they'll tell you through software that is time to pay them the fee or have a slower phone...

How long will it be? Less than two years? We'll see.
 
Trust .... it's personal between me and it.... does not need to make sense to you.... ;)

Sure it does. Losing trust would be based on deception, and there's nothing deceiving here. Your phone can either auto shutdown at full speed or slow the processor and not auto shutdown. Both things are preventing damage to your phone in specific load/charge situations, but the latter allows it to continue to function.
 
If you are expecting blood, you will be sorely disappointed.

I am not sure how anyone can even conflate these two issues. By Apple’s own admission, they only started slowing down their phones from iOS 10.2.1 onwards, and only from the iPhone 6, and only to avoid unwanted shutdowns.

But people have been claiming that Apple slows down their devices for many years running, which is an entirely separate matter. An iPhone 4 barely runs iOS 7 because it doesn’t have the specs for it, plain and simple. There’s no conspiracy by Apple to cripple your phone to make you run out and get another iPhone.

I don’t expect any fallout from this matter.

The issues that people are having can probably be solved if they would just set their phone up as new... Obviously if the battery is shot it’s shot, but setting up as new is usually the key.
 
I have a feeling it won’t be that easy to get this battery replacement. I’d like to take advantage of it if I keep my phone another year but I bet the Genius will run a test and say it doesn’t qualify.
 
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That doesn't really make any sense. All Apple has done is provide a software solution for keeping functionality running in a situation that would normally result in an auto shutdown. That's it.

No, that's not all they did. They cut performance by half, and didn't tell you. Why didn't my iPhone say "hey, you're running at 50%, get a new battery". Why does Apple say the battery is healthy? This isn't about Apple solving a problem, it's about how Apple went about it. By cutting performance, and not telling the user, and even worse, saying the a battery is fine, is plain wrong. Apple did not want to tell us why our phones are running slow or that a battery would solve it. They wanted us to upgrade.

Cats out of the bag now.
 
And this so-called "throttling" only kicks in when the battery is in desperate shape of a shut down. Let's talk some realworld scenarios:

It means that my daughter could be using her iPhone 6 with, say, a 75% battery score on a 70 degree day, doing the typical text/Snapchat stuff, and at 9PM with her battery at, say, 25%, the firmware could kick in and throttle for the last hour she's awake before bed. The alternative would have been a shut down right then and there.

Similarly, it means that my daughter could be using her iPhone 6 with, say, a 75% battery score on a 25 degree afternoon while skiing and her battery at, say 50%, but because of the temperature the firmware could kick in an throttle until the temperature rises or she's back indoors after skiing. The alternative would have been a shut down 2 hours earlier while on the slopes.

In both of these typical scnearios, Apple's approach is the right one. Better to have the phone operate a second slower when opening an app or a millisecond slower when web browsing than to have the thing quit on a ski slope or at the end of a day.

My understanding is this is not correct. If it detected that your battery was at some % (let's say 80%) of usuable life, which has nothing to do with your current battery charge, it ALWAYS put in the throttling. So you could pull your phone right off the battery cord at 100% (or even be using the phone attached to a battery case actively charging) and still get throttled on your 1-1/2 year old phone with a "bad" battery.

AND not only did this happen to me, but like others said, when I brought my phone in, I was told my battery was still in usable life, and they wouldn't change it. So what did I do? Bought a new phone. The lawsuits are very valid.
 
I have a feeling it won’t be that easy to get this battery replacement. I’d like to take advantage of it if I keep my phone another year but I bet the Genius will run a test and say it doesn’t qualify.
My guess is that the software update will let you know if your phone's battery needs a replacement and the genius will base it off that. Saves you the trouble of potentially making a wasted trip to the Apple Store as well.
 
Sure it does. Losing trust would be based on deception, and there's nothing deceiving here. Your phone can either auto shutdown at full speed or slow the processor and not auto shutdown. Both things are preventing damage to your phone in specific load/charge situations, but the latter allows it to continue to function.

Yet again - trust is based on MY opinion , and I disagree with you , and so does MY trust .

Do you realise what you are trying to argue with me here .... my trust level.... really ? Mate quit , it's getting silly
 
It’s baffling how people are defending this.

I’ve been an Apple loyalist since 2008. This has definitely been a bitter pill to swallow. I mean, what else are they up to behind the scenes?
If you bought an iPhone then you did so knowing that the battery is non-replaceable. Apple is stating upfront that (except for warranty issues) they don’t expect the battery to be replaced. They expect you to buy a new iphone when the battery wears out. Is this something this is not known?
 
Average users wouldn't notice the throttling either.

Yes I did. As I work in industrial controls I had a good idea what was happening and why before any of this hit the news. But I do plan to take advantage of the cheaper battery replacement cost, so I’m kind of glad Apple has a secrecy fetish because I had planned on replacing my battery instead of getting a new phone and now it will be cheaper.
 
Apple has previously said that 500 charges equals 80% battery capacity. That by itself gives users a rough idea of how the battery degrades over time. If a user wants more information than that, they can easily find 3rd party apps that give it to them on either iOS or MacOS. There's nothing being hidden from anyone that is interested in it.

Besides, as people keep explaining over and over, the actual throttling is only occurring in very specific situations where the phone would normally auto shutdown to prevent damage. If anything, what the user is experiencing is protection of their phone, not a strategy to push them to upgrade.

Which iOS app will tell you the actual battery life? Some of us don't have macs.
 
I am looking forward to the app from Apple that gives battery information. That is definitely a good move.
 
So, who will be the judge, jury and execurioner of this $29 scheme, the non-Genius at the Genius Bar.

I bet they already got the memo to reject as many replacement requests as possible over next one year.
 
Of course it makes sense. Apple doing something behind your back without telling you.

That's like saying the ABS in your car is doing something behind your back because the manufacturer didn't hand you an engineering manual on all the specifics of ABS. Apple provided an additional safety function within iOS that allows you to continue to use the phone when it otherwise would have auto shutdown. How much more detail do you need?
 
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Before you trust these numbers, you should know that there is no legal (within Apple’s developer agreement) way for an iOS app to read the actual processor clock frequency.


If it is not “legal” per apples rules, please explain why Apple continues to allow it to be sold in their App Store ? I am pretty sure by now , with this throttling hoopla, that Apple knows what cpudasher is even if it slipped by the review process.
 
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