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Good for for you for still buying Apple's BS. Apple got red handed for lying to its customers and now offering half a$$ed response. God, Apple fans are easily satisfied
Really quite funny ;) to read such posts trying to form a generalized opinion of a group of people. But I understand, android fanatics have a low bar of satisfaction.:D
 
If you bought an iPhone then you did so knowing that the battery is non-replaceable. Apple is stating upfront that (except for warranty issues) they don’t expect the battery to be replaced. They expect you to buy a new iphone when the battery wears out. Is this something this is not known?

Not so. Terrible argument.
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Really quite funny ;) to read such posts trying to form a generalized opinion of a group of people. But I understand, android fanatics have a low bar of satisfaction.:D

What does Android have to do with this?
 
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Yes I did. As I work in industrial controls I had a good idea what was happening and why before any of this hit the news. But I do plan to take advantage of the cheaper battery replacement cost, so I’m kind of glad Apple has a secrecy fetish because I had planned on replacing my battery instead of getting a new phone and now it will be cheaper.

Boy, people still think they can just go into an Apple Store and ask for a battery replacement for $29.

Good luck.
 
Batteries die. Its a thing. They should not offer free replacements unless under warranty.
Best comment ever. I cannot believe the outrage over all of this. The battery is dying, they make the software adjust how the hardware operates and people go nuts. The change in performance would tell me to do 1 of 2 things. Have the phone checked out for a problem, likely showing the need for a battery replacement, or choose to get a new phone, Apple or otherwise. I applaud the efforts to get as much as possible from a battery on it's last legs. I do the same and privately moan when I have to change out the batteries in my trackpad more often than when I first bought it, but I certainly don't threaten to sue or have them offer up their "first born" when the battery loses it's ability to function as it was new.
 
That's like saying the ABS in your car is doing something behind your back because the manufacturer didn't hand you an engineering manual on all the specifics of ABS. Apple provided an additional safety function within iOS that allows you to continue to use the phone when it otherwise would have auto shutdown. How much more detail do you need?

Not even close. This analogy is ridiculous.
 
What if it says "healthy" but you're still being throttled? This has been the case for many users trying to get a battery replacement.
Then test sites will called them on it and there will be no story that they can release that will cover up what they are doing.
 
You're in for a big surprise then, the UK will loose, batteries degrade, it's physics against the UK, physics will win.

The batteries can degrade. But if they are deemed not fit for purpose, UK law wins. As they aren't user-replaceable parts, they aren't consumable items. The consumer will win.
 
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They expect you to buy a new iphone when the battery wears out. Is this something that is not known?
No, why would people assume that Apple expects users to buy a new phone when their battery wears out when Apple is selling battery replacements? Why would Apple sell battery replacements if they only want you to get a new phone? I've gotten battery replacements in Apple Stores and nobody even brought up getting a new phone instead.

I am pretty sure that most people know that the battery in an iPhone can be changed (by Apple, by third-parties or for those so inclined also by the user) or at least think it might be possible an inquire about it when they think they need a new battery. They probably will take an exhausted battery as an additional reason to get a new phone on top of other reasons and it might be the one that tips the balance. But that is not the same as saying that people buy a new phone only because their old one has an exhausted battery.
 
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No, that's not all they did. They cut performance by half, and didn't tell you. Why didn't my iPhone say "hey, you're running at 50%, get a new battery".

Incorrect. Heavy throttling only occurs in situations where the phone would have otherwise auto shutdown. The feature was added to iOS when users complained about auto shutdowns. A + B = C.
 
My understanding is this is not correct. If it detected that your battery was at some % (let's say 80%) of usuable life, which has nothing to do with your current battery charge, it ALWAYS put in the throttling. So you could pull your phone right off the battery cord at 100% (or even be using the phone attached to a battery case actively charging) and still get throttled on your 1-1/2 year old phone with a "bad" battery.
The 80% number refers to the capacity of the battery in percentage of its original/design capacity, ie, if when new the phone lasts for 10 hours doing a certain task, when it lasts only 8 hours on the same task, it would be at 80% capacity.

The throttling also clearly happens on devices whose battery capacity is still well above 80%. It is exactly those cases where people reported issues (initially sudden shutdowns, then later slowdowns) but because the battery capacity was still above 80%, Apple wouldn't change the battery under warranty (if still in the original or the extended warranty) or even recommend a battery exchange for devices that were out of warranty.
 
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That's like saying the ABS in your car is doing something behind your back because the manufacturer didn't hand you an engineering manual on all the specifics of ABS. Apple provided an additional safety function within iOS that allows you to continue to use the phone when it otherwise would have auto shutdown. How much more detail do you need?

The ABS example made no sense . Would you be upset if after a car service your car went slower depending on how much fuel was in the tank? It's a much more relevant example . Be it car or phone, the user has the right to be informed if performance is changed
 
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That's like saying the ABS in your car is doing something behind your back because the manufacturer didn't hand you an engineering manual on all the specifics of ABS. Apple provided an additional safety function within iOS that allows you to continue to use the phone when it otherwise would have auto shutdown. How much more detail do you need?

ABS works as it is intended to though.
 
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The batteries can degrade. But if they are deemed not fit for purpose, UK law wins. As they aren't user-replaceable parts, they aren't consumable items. The consumer will win.
Really? Can you show me cases in the UK were courts have forced manufacturers/vendors to replace sealed batteries for free in 5 to 6 year old devices (or even 2 to 5 year old devices)?
 
Do you realise what you are trying to argue with me here .... my trust level.... really ? Mate quit , it's getting silly

LOL...if you want to argue that Apple lost your trust despite not being able to demonstrate anything that Apple deceived you about, be my guest.
 
Good PR move. I always found it strange IOS didn’t display battery health more in depth, surely it’d clarify confusion.

You say good PR, I say damage control. Good PR would’ve been to not have this whole mess in the first place.

They don’t want to put the battery health statistics back but their hand is now being forced. They took them away for a reason: to keep customers in the dark about the state of their battery’s health. What other reason could there possibly be? Apple has been disingenuous for a long time and now it’s come back to bite them. I can’t see why Apple doesn’t just make its battery diagnostic tool available in iOS or as a download.

Apple never does anything out of the kindness of their heart. They are a business first and foremost with a duty to maximise profit. They are doing this now because they know they stuffed up and are facing strong legal cases against them. And frankly there’s an insidious current underlying the reason this is happening. Remember, Apple tried to tell people that third-party battery replacements will preclude all further servicing from them until they were forced to back down as this was illegal in many jurisdictions.

Hey Apple, don’t be evil!
 
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Apple should have done this years ago. Get new batteries into old iPhones and then dominate the Apps market even more by having old iPhones in the secondary market compete on price with Android phones. Keep those old iPhones circulating and in use either with original customers (who are getting great value out of years of use) or with new customers buying the phones used.
 
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Really quite funny ;) to read such posts trying to form a generalized opinion of a group of people. But I understand, android fanatics have a low bar of satisfaction.:D

If say Samsung doing something as Apple, I would stop buy Samsung phone. If Huawei doing samething, I would not buy Huawei. If all OEMs doing this, I would buy phones with replaceable battery. Simple is that.

Now can Apple fan do the same or still insist Apple can do no wrong?
 
If you bought an iPhone then you did so knowing that the battery is non-replaceable. Apple is stating upfront that (except for warranty issues) they don’t expect the battery to be replaced. They expect you to buy a new iphone when the battery wears out. Is this something this is not known?
When did they state that?
 
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