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Simply not true unless you only play tic tac toe games. No way they would require it to be linked to a desktop. And the types of games people are going to want to run will be 500mb or even over a GB. No way the Apple TV could download these at runtime. Unless they add support for streaming games from an iOS device, I don't see anyway the aTV could support games natively with the current storage setup.

But I am guessing that the full game, program etc could be loaded into a new ATV with an A7 and cached from there.
 
Simply not true unless you only play tic tac toe games. No way they would require it to be linked to a desktop. And the types of games people are going to want to run will be 500mb or even over a GB. No way the Apple TV could download these at runtime. Unless they add support for streaming games from an iOS device, I don't see anyway the aTV could support games natively with the current storage setup.

How big are movies that you stream on demand from a hard drive? I've got 20GB movies that I stream to my :apple:TV on demand. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware of ANY 20GB or even 10GB iOS games. I don't know how you can claim "no way they could be downloaded at run time" when we can all stream plenty of files bigger than 500mb or over a GB to :apple:TVs anytime we want a TV show or movie.

The :apple:TV doesn't care- it's just bytes to pull from a computer somewhere else in the house.
 
Pointless Update

It's a pointless update if I still can't play iTunes Extra on my Apple TV, nor rentals. Don't understand how the iCloud Streaming is any better than crappy AirPlay streaming.
 
But I am guessing that the full game, program etc could be loaded into a new ATV with an A7 and cached from there.

Correct. That's exactly how I would expect it to work. Stream it over to the 8GB and run it locally on the :apple:TV. Change the game to something else? Stream that over to the 8GB and run it locally on the :apple:TV.

JUST... LIKE... MOVIES work now.

Really big iOS games (Infinity Blade at 1GB+) have the equivalent of "scenes" such that every possible graphic that could be shown if you could play a game all the way through wouldn't have to be on board at the same time. You could complete a very complex (graphically) level and the :apple:TV could jettison the graphics of the level just completed while streaming over the graphics of the next level. This would be much like many such games that load up the next levels on demand.

If you look at something like a Playstation, it's not like the entire contents of massive games on Blu Ray discs are all loaded into on-board memory at one time. Instead, it loads what is needed for that level while leaving the rest of the game waiting on that BD disc storage. If that storage was on a hard drive attached to a Mac somewhere else in the house, what's the difference? Stream over the next level or two on demand while holding all of the currently-needed graphics in on-board ram and the 8GB of storage.
 
...Don't understand how the iCloud Streaming is any better than crappy AirPlay streaming.

Check above. I asked the same question and got some good, helpful answers. Basically, the new method bypasses airplay entirely. A guest connected to your wifi network can tell your AppleTV to play a movie that they have in icloud. Your AppleTV will go get it and play it without their phone having to stream it through your router. Saves the phone's battery, avoids airplay, and eliminates the need to sign into a different acct on your AppleTV to play someone else's content. Pretty cool, really.
 
Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but "Software Updates" in the Settings has been updated to now allow you to opt in or out of automatic updates.
 
Showtime

Still no Showtime app. Totally silly that it exists for ipad and iPhone but not Apple TV. Even more silly is the fact that the app has AirPlay and mirroring blocked on those devices.
 
I had the same issues as others updating. The quickly flashing light forcing me to use iTunes to sort things out, which worked fine. Mine is a 3rd Generation Apple TV (A1427).

As I had to go through the initial set-up procedure when I re-connected it to my TV I noticed a few differences. Firstly you get a strange sounding voice saying "Welcome to Apple TV". Secondly you now have the option of setting up the Apple TV by 'touching' the Apple TV with your bluetooth enabled iOS7 device.

Initially I just enabled bluetooth on the phone and searched for the Apple TV and it did nothing. So feeling a bit stupid I touched the Apple TV with the phone and it immediately prompted me for my Apple ID password on the phone, and a few other questions about the Apple TV set-up. Very nice feature which saves a bit of time.
 
Yes, but you could stream a movie from your iPhone to a friend's AppleTV via airplay. I realized that this was a new way of doing the same thing (playing a movie you own on an AppleTV that someone else owns). I was asking about the advantage of this new method over the old. Some other kind folks gave a helpful answer, which is great because yours was worthless.
No, I think you just misunderstood me.

You could only stream the movie from your iPhone if it was physically on the iPhone. If your phone is instead playing the music or movie from iCloud and not from files on your iPhone itself -- you could not AirPlay it to you or your friends AppleTV.

I encourage you, try it on a non-upgraded AppleTV. You will not be able to.

Don't get so feisty.
 
Wish they'd just let us play any file on it...

It's slightly less annoying now I found a program that can "hack" files from mkv/avi to mp4... but come on, it's just a useless stumbling block

What program are you using for this?
 
I had the same issues as others updating. The quickly flashing light forcing me to use iTunes to sort things out, which worked fine. Mine is a 3rd Generation Apple TV (A1427).

As I had to go through the initial set-up procedure when I re-connected it to my TV I noticed a few differences. Firstly you get a strange sounding voice saying "Welcome to Apple TV". Secondly you now have the option of setting up the Apple TV by 'touching' the Apple TV with your bluetooth enabled iOS7 device.

Initially I just enabled bluetooth on the phone and searched for the Apple TV and it did nothing. So feeling a bit stupid I touched the Apple TV with the phone and it immediately prompted me for my Apple ID password on the phone, and a few other questions about the Apple TV set-up. Very nice feature which saves a bit of time.

Yep I too love that feature!
 
What I, and I believe others, are saying is that whatever hurdle (politics, economics, spite, ambition, strategy) was keeping AirPlay out of the Amazon iOS app is probably the same hurdle that's been keeping it off the Apple TV. Therefore, now that AirPlay IS in the iOS app, said hurdle may have been overcome, and it stands to reason we might see it finally show up on the Apple TV too.

Actually, if I had to guess, I'd say its Amazon holding back, not Apple blocking, that's been the problem. Amazon doesn't want to wrap access to their vast media library inside an Apple shell. I think in the long run Amazon would rather control the living room -- software, hardware, and content -- end-to-end, like Apple already does.

How would AirPlay be restricted from Apple's end? I don't see how Amazon enabling it would mean anything.

Amazon puts it's Prime service on all kinds of devices. And why would they hold back? They get around the Xbox purchasing issue by not allowing purchases on the device themselves. If the issue was purchases and revenue, then Amazon clearly has no issue on other devices.

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Or iCloud
Or iTunes home sharing

That will be so fun to play Infinity Blade and waiting on 1.5GB to download every time you play it. The other solutions suggested by people in this thread just aren't elegant and I don't see Apple making it that complicated to have apps/games on the device. I think the only way around it is to provide much more storage but like I said I don't know if they want to raise the price.
 
A restore because.... your Apple TV is jailbroken or something? The update when painlessly for me on my "virgin" Apple TV. :D:p

No, mine isn't jailbroken, still needed to be restored with iTunes.

Connect it back up, realize my remote is nowhere to be found (I use my iPhone as a remote). Notice something new. Touch it with your iPhone or other device running iOS 7 and you can set it up that way.

Works.

However, it doesn't turn on home sharing, so I STILL can't use my iPhone as remote. Can still stream to it, but can't change any settings on it until I can find the bloody remote.
 
Initially I just enabled bluetooth on the phone and searched for the Apple TV and it did nothing. So feeling a bit stupid I touched the Apple TV with the phone and it immediately prompted me for my Apple ID password on the phone, and a few other questions about the Apple TV set-up. Very nice feature which saves a bit of time.
Yea, it's Bluetooth feature that Apple named iBeacons or something. But, I think it requires a 4S minimum because it's a Bluetooth 4.0 feature.

I'll have to see if it works with my iPhone 4 when I get home.
 
How big are movies that you stream on demand from a hard drive? I've got 20GB movies that I stream to my :apple:TV on demand. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware of ANY 20GB or even 10GB iOS games. I don't know how you can claim "no way they could be downloaded at run time" when we can all stream plenty of files bigger than 500mb or over a GB to :apple:TVs anytime we want a TV show or movie.

The :apple:TV doesn't care- it's just bytes to pull from a computer somewhere else in the house.

Streaming is totally different. To stream a movie it doesn't need the entire file to show you the video. For a game, in most situations, it is going to require the entire app be loaded entirely on the device.
 
What program are you using for this?

MP4 Tools is one. It's nagware - you can't batch process or drag and drop until you pay the reasonable price ($5 I think)

You can also use Air Video Server HD. Will convert on the fly and stream through your iDevice. It will also convert and download to your iDevice.

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Initially I just enabled bluetooth on the phone and searched for the Apple TV and it did nothing. So feeling a bit stupid I touched the Apple TV with the phone

Here, feel less stupid, on me.

When I made sure Bluetooth was on, I turned WiFi off. Left the phone on the Apple TV a good five minutes trying to get it to work. (Not on same network, it wouldn't set up)
 
I'm shocked that the update didnt refresh the look of the interface (a la iOS7)
 
...whatever hurdle (politics, economics, spite, ambition, strategy) was keeping AirPlay out of the Amazon iOS app is probably the same hurdle that's been keeping it off the Apple TV.

Typically it's the movie studios that block the use of Airplay due to licensing, Amazon agreed a license and Airplay was most likely not a part of it. The other issue is usually due to the stream not bring encrypted when using Airplay and that it can be easily intercepted. I'm not sure if latter point is still correct with the current updates.
 
bricked

I have an ATV2 and the update bricked mine too. Just the light flashing. Tried pressing and holding the buttons that made the light flash faster, but not forced reboot.

Have it connected to my desktop now via micro usb, but the light is still flashing and itunes doesn't show any devices. This freakin' sucks. I shouldn't have updated. #$%#$%#$ APPLE!!! I really starting to hate you all over again.:mad:
 
I think that apple never stated that appletv neede a special cable for recovery. Hence the have sold me an unworking product.

The cable is optional there are several other options to recover the device. Walk into an Apple Store or mail it to Apple and they will fix it for free. I own 5 AppleTVs and have never needed the USB cable. I am glad they did not give me 5 more microusb cables I don't want.


Still no Showtime app. Totally silly that it exists for ipad and iPhone but not Apple TV. Even more silly is the fact that the app has AirPlay and mirroring blocked on those devices.

I would like a Showtime App too, but silly? Really? There is no Cinemax App, No USA App, No ABC App, No (Any of the Other 150 TV Video Apps that are on iOS and not the AppleTV). I am sure 150 is a gross underestimation.

Eventually they need a new way to handles this. They continue to just dump stuff on the home screen.
 
Of course the two apps (Apple TV/iOS) aren't technically related or dependent. For that matter, there's been no technical reason Amazon Prime shouldn't have been on the Apple TV since day one, right alongside Netflix.
Technically, yes. But Amazon's video service is fundamentally different from Netflix, since it does not only have a subscription service (Prime), but also allows a la cart purchasing of individual movies. This is in direct competition to iTunes.
Actually, if I had to guess, I'd say its Amazon holding back, not Apple blocking, that's been the problem. Amazon doesn't want to wrap access to their vast media library inside an Apple shell.
I really doubt that. Amazon Digital is primarily about content. They don't care what hardware is used as long as they can sell you their content. Otherwise they would obviously not offer an app for the iPad/iPhone. I'm sure they would love to put an Amazon app on the ATV too.
 
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