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Thats not really true mouse support at all. Its no different than using a stylus

Of course not. It's just a different pointing device. Same on Windows. Using a stylus, your finger, or the mouse give the same result, just a different way of achieving it. If you expected draggable windows and a menu bar, sorry, we're not going to get it. This is still iOS.
 
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Unfortunately, as before, it will not recognize a magic trackpad or a magic mouse in the Bluetooth settings. Some kind of a software limitation as it has always been. It works with a third-party Logitech MX anywhere 2 mouse fine.

This is weird. I thought if Apple allowed mouse on iPad it would be limited to their proprietary device, just another way to collect $99.99. Now, we learn that it wont work on their own devices.....strange. Also, it is funny that they did not highlight this new feature in the demo today, since it must be one of the top requested changes for iPad. Perhaps, they feel it is still a bit half baked.

Of all of the features that Apple could easily add to iPad, I thought this one would be the easiest. There have been jailbreaks for mouse support since the original iPad was released in 2010. How hard could it be?
 
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Hope my Original 9.7" iPad Pro (the first iteration) qualifies for this..but i'm doubtful.

oops, I should read, you said iPad Pro. My bad. It does have an A9x chip. If you read, tech specs say this is compatibility list:

  • 12.9-inch iPad Pro
  • 11-inch iPad Pro
  • 10.5-inch iPad Pro
  • 9.7-inch iPad Pro
  • iPad (6th generation)
  • iPad (5th generation)
  • iPad mini (5th generation)
  • iPad mini 4
  • iPad Air (3rd generation)
  • iPad Air 2
 
BTW all of this posting has been done on my iPad Pro with the mouse and keyboard setup... so nice!

Thanks! Looks good; Siri shortcuts are options as well, nice!
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you should be proud it still works and meets your needs. I just checked Geekbench, not sure if yours is even listed, but the 3rd generation is listed with an A5x processor and score of 569, (as compared to the latest a12x at 17,930). My humble belief is that you just said this for fun.

@abbstrack has a 9.7" iPad Pro. That's an A9X processor and only a few years old.
 
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The whole point of using a mouse on an iPad is to allow a laptop-like configuration. It doesn't change the way the whole iOS works, it merely allows you to turn the iPad vertical, and use it with a keyboard and a mouse, like a laptop. This will make many of us more productive in apps like Word or Excel. It speeds up clipboard operations and such. It doesn't entirely replace touch or the pen. The pen is still preferred for drawing, and touch is still preferred for more casual use, when you don't want to whip out the keyboard and the mouse for serious work. The mouse is just another option for business users. So why not just using a laptop? Because the iPad is more portable and more secure, apps are truly sandboxed.
 
Of course not. It's just a different pointing device. Same on Windows. Using a stylus, your finger, or the mouse give the same result, just a different way of achieving it. If you expected drag-gable windows and a menu bar, sorry, we're not going to get it. This is still iOS.
I didn't expect it at all.I don't believe for a second Timmy would cannibalize the chance for you to buy an iPad, Macboook Pro, a new display and EVEN A STAND! Just know millions of people will here iOS 13 on iPad has mouse support and then go buy an iPad Pro, keyboard cover and a fancy mouse and go home and be like..... wait a second, why cant i do a right click, oh my mouse must be faulty...
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All I can say is it’s about time Apple became serious about setting up a path for the iPad to unleash its potential.
Thats what you came out of the keynote with? That Apple was serious with it?
 
I didn't expect it at all.I don't believe for a second Timmy would cannibalize the chance for you to buy an iPad, Macboook Pro, a new display and EVEN A STAND!

Apple considers this an accessibility feature, for those who cannot properly touch the screen due to physical disability, but are able to use a mouse. It just turns out I like a mouse for productivity, but I never expected the same Linux-like design that Samsung offers with external displays. Apple will never turn the iPad into something that looks like Ubuntu. For the better or the worse.
 
I totally disagree. He may have had problems, but I don’t. I’m typing this on an 11 inch iPad Pro and I don’t need or want a mouse or trackpad. Why don’t you just buy a Mac? It already has everything you want. The iPad is designed for touch, not for mice or trackpads. You are trying to glom an old way of doing things onto a newer paradigm.

I understand your question, so let me try to answer from the perspective of a person that has flirted with using the iPad as my primary device. For 80% of what I do, the iPad works great as a tablet. The touch interface is fine, and I can do a lot of light productivity tasks without a keyboard and mouse. Things like: create short draft documents, responding to emails, taking notes, annotating PDFs, etc.. But, occasionally, I have some heavier lifting to do, such as: Lengthy documents, complex spreadsheets, etc.. When these occasions arise, a keyboard and mouse would allow me to get the other 20% done on my iPad. So, I don’t need to own both a Mac and an iPad. Instead, I have a light portable and relatively inexpensive (I am thinking $500 iPad Air 3) device for most of my computing, and a keyboard and mouse back at my office in the house for the more complex stuff.

I know I know that this will not work for everyone. There are people that need a keyboard and mouse all of the time, and they should get a laptop. I am just not one of those people.
 
The mouse was created for the desktop so that you can have a "finger on the screen" at a time when a mass-market touch screen device is not possible.

Meanwhile a mouse "support" was created for the iPad so that you can have a "finger on the screen" if you are too lazy to raise your arm when docked vertically (and hopefully better cursor accuracy than your fat fingers =))

And it looks like anything that your finger can do an iPad the mouse can do.

If that is still lacking for you, then you need a Mac. (Well maybe the next step is full trackpad support for iPad where you can do gestures. But I will take what I can get,)
 
I understand your question, so let me try to answer from the perspective of a person that has flirted with using the iPad as my primary device. For 80% of what I do, the iPad works great as a tablet. The touch interface is fine, and I can do a lot of light productivity tasks without a keyboard and mouse. Things like: create short draft documents, responding to emails, taking notes, annotating PDFs, etc.. But, occasionally, I have some heavier lifting to do, such as: Lengthy documents, complex spreadsheets, etc.. When these occasions arise, a keyboard and mouse would allow me to get the other 20% done on my iPad. So, I don’t need to own both a Mac and an iPad. Instead, I have a light portable and relatively inexpensive (I am thinking $500 iPad Air 3) device for most of my computing, and a keyboard and mouse back at my office in the house for the more complex stuff.

I know I know that this will not work for everyone. There are people that need a keyboard and mouse all of the time, and they should get a laptop. I am just not one of those people.

I think you are being very very patient.

My question would be why not support a mouse? If it just is an another pointing device, then it is just another pointing device. It lets you put the cursor where you want it and select items, and may scroll with a thumb wheel. Adding support for it would make some usages (cut and paste operation, etc) much easier on an iPad.
 
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Why in the world would they separate the naming from regular iOS.
My first impressions is to separate it further from the iPhone so they can bring iPadOS and macOS closer together (or merged), without alienating iPhone users.
 
Seriously asking... HOW does this make this fulfill any more potential than it did before? How does any of this make you more productive or make it a "proper companion" than it is now? I'm just not seeing how this fundamentally changes the iPad and how you interact with it?

Don't get me wrong - cool updates, but I don't see me using the iPad any differently than I do today.

Based on what I've seen that will already improve my workflow: having same app windows side-by-side to input data, having access to files and photos saved on USB/SD/ external SSD, text selection and cut/copy/paste gestures will make editing much smoother, slider over if I need to switch between multiple apps while I'm in the middle of something, app expose will help me move in and out of multiple windows which is what the usual case is, default to desktop view in Safari so I can actually work, and Sidecar when I need to do something more involved with my MBP. iOS itself has come a long way so these "minor" changes are more substantial and make working with and through the system that much more efficient and intuitive
 
Or a new iPad with a A13 chip.

I told my wife that if multi user support ever requires a new iPad, even if it’s released 1 week after we bought our iPad, we would upgrade. Surprisingly she agreed lol!

It’s not a silicone limitation, it is an Apple imposed restriction and additional storage.

Android tablets have had multi-user support for years and we all know Apple’s silicone was light years faster.
 
I think thats good!

What do you think of Desktop Class Safari? Do desktop apps like Google Docs really works as intended?

I think this is the game changer as many web services just work better on desktop-class browsers, so much that you might not need their app anymore (for e.g. Google Docs on the web is much much better than its native iOS app)

If you can get by with a Chromebook, and Safari is close to 95% of what Chromebook can render then you are mostly set with the iPad if you are someone who always works from the browser.
 
Seriously asking... HOW does this make this fulfill any more potential than it did before? How does any of this make you more productive or make it a "proper companion" than it is now? I'm just not seeing how this fundamentally changes the iPad and how you interact with it?

Don't get me wrong - cool updates, but I don't see me using the iPad any differently than I do today.

Not being able to use a thump drive or download files from a SD card is the biggest obstacle for me when using my iPad. I hope this is now fixed in the iPadOS in a way that you can download all common files from all subfolders on an SD card or a thump drive.
 
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