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To everyone wondering about how cell phone plans have changed over the years... I found this old Verizon brochure from 2011

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For a single line... it was $90 a month for just unlimited talk and text.

And data was an additional $50 a month for 5GB of data.

Your total monthly bill was $140 a month.

And you still had to pay $199 at the time of purchase for the current base iPhone.


Now here's what I just pulled up today:

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For a single line... unlimited voice and text... and 8GB of data... it's $90 a month for service.

Plus $27.08 a month for the phone.

That's a grand total of $117.08 a month.

And no money down for the current base iPhone.

Kinda hard to make a true comparison between the two since they are so different... and of course family plans would be different as well... but at least you get the idea.

Yeah, it's very hard to compare as we would expect the rates to go down as the number of users increases and the carriers make more efficient use of their systems. This has no bearing on the fact that last year I was paying one rate, that was padded to include the subsidized cost of a device, and today that rate is still the same even if I pay full retail for the device.
 
No, but now you can get much better quality A/D converter since that does not happen inside the phone. I really do not understand why so many people fail to see what a tremendous advantage that can be.
You won't be able to fit a better A/D converter into a headset than you can fit into an iPhone. Anyone who had a serious look at the iPhone's audio output has been impressed by the quality. You will most definitely not be able to get _much better_ quality.
 
Do you not have a job?!

Yeah and if I work from my office I tend to use my MacBook with headphones rather than the phone. My phone is always the last resort, its DAC is cheap and nasty, its only for mobile use.
 
To everyone wondering about how cell phone plans have changed over the years... I found this old Verizon brochure from 2011

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For a single line... it was $90 a month for just unlimited talk and text.

And data was an additional $50 a month for 5GB of data.

Your total monthly bill was $140 a month.

And you still had to pay $199 at the time of purchase for the current base iPhone.


Now here's what I just pulled up today:

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For a single line... unlimited voice and text... and 8GB of data... it's $90 a month for service.

Plus $27.08 a month for the phone.

That's a grand total of $117.08 a month.

And no money down for the current base iPhone.

Kinda hard to make a true comparison between the two since they are so different... and of course family plans would be different as well... but at least you get the idea.
That's what I call properly analysing a topic. Well done you
 
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I have always said, really the price is not the point, be it £200, £400, £600 or £1000.
It's how much can you sell it for later.

If you buy it for £1000 and sell it for £900 the phone has only cost £100 and that's it.

This used to be a very important point with Apple Products. Yes they were a bit more expensive than others, but you could sell them on for more than others, so the "Cost of Ownership" was fine.

Recently I've started to see this change however, and second hand prices dropping, esp on the higher end models.
If you buy the £1000 iPhone today. What will you lose after 1 year? £500 perhaps?

THAT'S the amount of money that really matters.

I'd go and buy one tomorrow cash £1000 I have sitting right here, but I'm not doing it, if I'm throwing half of it away after 12 months as you can bet, there will be a absolute TON of iPhone 7's going onto the market this time next year, if the iPhone 8 is going to be as special as we all think.

the market will be flooded with iPhone 7's and the price will come crashing due to too many out there.
 
The only thing I was correcting is that the carriers have never subsided the phones. That's what they wanted you to believe, but they don't make money by taking a $500 hit on every phone they hand out!!!

You are partly mistaken on this. it is true some of the cost of the subsidy is built into your monthly bill, but the US carriers took huge hits to their bottom line paying iPhone subsidies over and above what they recovered in subscriber fees, particularly in the early days of the iPhone. During the early days when AT&T was the sole iPhone provider, they got just killed by this. There are some articles here and here. There were even reports of carriers secretly encouraging employees to steer customers to Android phones so they could avoid paying Apple's higher subsidy rates (article here).
 
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From the photos, it doesn't look like you can charge while listening to headphones. If true, that's a pretty huge downside. The only option would be to spend more money on wireless headphones of some kind.

With the added battery life, how much charging do you need to do during the day? Even if a full charge can't get you through the day, can't you find 20 minutes where you aren't listening to music and you charge then? I mean 20 minutes of charging on an iPhone is several hours of additional life. I can't see how this is a huge downside.

Also, yes, you are supposed to be buying wireless headphones. I think that is pretty clear. Once you go wireless, I suspect you won't ever want to go back.
 
Same. It's rather stupid that nothing smaller than a full-size iPad can use that thing. (Though I don't hear many people bemoaning it, so maybe it's a niche desire?)
I'm sure it is, but the Note has done well so there is a market. There was a time (ten years ago) when Apple actively went after the education/creative market, so I was excited to see them finally come out with a pressure sensitive stylus... maybe they can't get 3D touch and Pencil working, as it would seem like adding support to the iPhone (at least the Plus) is an easy way to sell more $100 pencils.
 
T-Mobil said they'd have their Jump prices up on their site Sept 9, 2:00 a.m. If they're decent, we'll be getting 2 upgrades from the 6s.
 
When I'm driving in my car, I always have both the aux and charging cables plugged in. So, yeah, this is an every day occurence. I don't think I'm alone.

I haven't used AUX for quite a few years now since all my cars came with bluetooth connection and controls, I can charge and listen - next step will be Carplay.
 
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Can't believe the price hike! We're still in the eu for another two years. This is just greed.
I'm refusing to pay the preposterous spike, especially since the 6s+ also saw a healthy price hike. I've had every iPhone since the first iPhone.
Hopefully enough customers will veto this upgrade and force apple to abort their mammoth profit margins.
I'm perfectly happy with my 6s+

I'm going to spend the £800 on a 4K-Uhd HDR player or a ps4-neo, for my LG oled.
 
The only issue you have with the 3.5mm jack is that it's old? That's it? So you want to have less options on your phone because it's old. GSM is also old and yet your iPhone supports it.

Yeah. GSM is part of a chip that keeps getting smaller. Sigh.
 
Can't believe the price hike! We're still in the eu for another two years. This is just greed.
Exchange rates have gone to the toilet _now_. Have a look here:

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1Y

You see a huge drop when it started looking possible that the UK might leave. And then a cliff when it happened. On the posiive side, if you are Nigel Farage and hugely responsible for that whole mess, you can cash in on a massive salary as a European MP, without doing one actual bit of work, and your salary went up by twenty percent because of the exchange rate!
 
Yeah, it's very hard to compare as we would expect the rates to go down as the number of users increases and the carriers make more efficient use of their systems. This has no bearing on the fact that last year I was paying one rate, that was padded to include the subsidized cost of a device, and today that rate is still the same even if I pay full retail for the device.

Oh... you think rates should go down over time?

That would be great... but how often does that actually happen?

Most things are more expensive now than they were 5 years ago. I wouldn't expect the evil cell carriers to be any different :D
 
So if you are at the airport or school and want to recharge your phone while listening to music, what should you do? Your home cinema or home hi-fi system isn't very travel friendly.

Seriously, if I REALLY travelled that much and this was a problem i've encountered (I never have) I probably would just get wireless buds.
 
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From the photos, it doesn't look like you can charge while listening to headphones. If true, that's a pretty huge downside. The only option would be to spend more money on wireless headphones of some kind.
I understand that there's no reason for this single-purpose port to live forever (although I wish Apple would just commit to USB-C on both mobile and computer platforms), but this is my biggest concern as well. I can think of multiple instances where I've wanted to charge my phone and listen to music on it at the same time, and adding in charge level maintenance on my headphones as well doesn't feel like a win. I'm still a year out from my next phone purchase, though, so I'll see how the market responds to this need between now and then. Heck, maybe Apple will make an audio/power splitter cable that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
 
They can't move it out. The phone has speakers and needs a DAC to play sound.
There is not a single DAC in the phone. Since the lightning connector is totally digital they have to include the DAC external to the phone. IN the adapter cable it will be in the connector. In more expensive headsets they can put it anywhere they like.
 
I understand that there's no reason for this single-purpose port to live forever
It's by the way not single-purpose unless you think analogue input/output is "single-purpose".

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This is a credit card reader that plugs into the 3.5mm output on an iPhone.
 
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