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Apple Unveils iPhone 7 With Water Resistance, A10 Fusion, New 'Jet Black' Color, Updated Cameras, No Headphone Jack, and More

hojx said:
No good reason for retina display to be excluded from 3GS, no good reason for TouchID to be excluded from 5, no good reason for 3D Touch to be excluded from 6……

Going by your logic……
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That's not the same. And there were valid reasons for that. OIS was included in the plus since iPhone 6 and not in the 4.7 inch model. Now it's included in the 4.7 inch. There isn't a good reason that it was excluded other than trying for an upsell to the plus.
 
Complain all you want but all the other phone makers will loose the headphone jack before too long. There is a bunch of cry babies on here.
 
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Michael Scrip said:
The price of goods can go down over time due to a variety of factors.

But the price of services rarely go down.
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Cell phones and their service are technology driven. Research "Technology Life Cycle". As I mentioned earlier, the fact that I pay less for 6 devices today than I paid for a single device back in 1998 is due to the Technology Life Cycle.

Edit: And none of this answers the question....why is my rate plan from 2014, that is padded to cover the price of a subsidized iPhone 6, still the same today in 2016 even if I pay full retail price for the device? It's not like the carriers costs increased. Far from it, they have likely made further efficiencies within their systems and realized a greater profit.
 
rockinrakozy said:
Yup, you got me. Terrible system and terrible ears. Since all I do all day long is mix and record and compose film scores and music and do foley and dialogue editing and sound design all day long. Yup... that's me, terrible set of ears. And no, I'm not complaining that it's old, it's time to just try something different, ya know, advance the technology forward. Be open-minded about this stuff, dude.
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All in iMovie for iPhone? :) /s
 
Geckotek said:
This is a different subsidy than we are discussing. This subsidy was paid to Apple, not the user.

User subsidies on devices is a common wireless carrier practice that goes back to the very early days of the industry. I used to sell Nokia 101 phones to people for $.99 when the full retail was actually $399 IIRC. And yes, the carrier did absorb this cost within their rate plan.

With that being said, if the carrier is no longer providing a user-end subsidy, then they should be decreasing the rate plan by as much. But from what I see, Verizon isn't offering me a $25 reduced monthly plan to make up for the lack of a subsidized device. So when I upgrade, I'll be renewing my 2-year commitment in order to keep my subsidized phone.
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I understand what you are saying and I understand the difference. What I am saying is the subsidies the carriers were paying to Apple were more than the amount they collected per subscriber to offset that subsidy, so it killed their bottom line. These articles and the carrier financial reports show that. So what I am saying is even aside from the subsidy "built in" to your bill, the carriers were subsidizing iPhones and it cost them plenty. This is why all the carriers are moving away from subsidized rates.

I have Verizon and you need to talk to them about your plan. They do have a new plan where you get no subsidized phone price and your bill is lower. I already switched to it a few months ago. When my 24 month contract runs out in a week or so, my bill will drop about $20 a month since it will no longer be a subsidized plan.
 
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mrkramer said:
Why did it have to happen someday? There is no benefit to getting rid of the headphone jack unlike getting rid of floppy disks or CD drives.
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Volatileagent said:
Says you. Apple clearly envisions a wireless future. This is nothing new. No one is forcing you to buy a new iPhone, right?
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Says many. And, because Apple envisions a wireless future, that's a good thing? I'd be hard-pressed to come up with ONE THING that is more reliable/cheaper being wireless than wired. Convenience, maybe. But as we get more and more wireless, you have to worry about batteries, signal strength, interference, malfunctions, etc. And now people need a damn adapter hanging off their phone to use their expensive headphones and earbuds?

The problem, too, is no other manufacturer uses the lightning connector. I guess we need TWO sets of earbuds and TWO sets of headphones so we can use our OTHER NON-APPLE equipment?
 
2ilent8cho said:
I use the 3.5 audio jack every day when i go for a walk, but i cannot wait for those Airpods, i can get rid of that cable that gets in the way.
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really?

I mena, the video looks amazing, but thay aren't in -ear! I mean, the design of the apple pods it's great for consume but cant compare with the quality of an isolated system.
 
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mguzzi said:
NOW, you have to pay full price for the phone AND full price for the service. This is the problem. You selling devices and making money back has nothing to do with the calculations and is a distraction. The total price you pay from 2014-2016 for a subsidized phone and rate plan will now be $4-$500 more expensive from 2016-2018 unless your carrier is offering a lower rate plan for unsubsidized phones. I do not see that mine is.
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If you are the carrier, you don't see this as a problem :-(
 
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Geckotek said:
Cell phones and their service are technology driven. Research "Technology Life Cycle". As I mentioned earlier, the fact that I pay less for 6 devices today than I paid for a single device back in 1998 is due to the Technology Life Cycle.
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Look... I get it man.

I'm just saying that price of services don't always go down. They usually go up.

Bandwidth is cheaper today. Routers and switches are cheaper today. Servers are cheaper today.

So why did Netflix raise the price from $8 a month to $10 a month?
 
Weaselboy said:
I understand what you are saying and I understand the difference. What I am saying is the subsidies the carriers were paying to Apple were more than the amount they collected per subscriber to offset that subsidy, so it killed their bottom line. These articles and the carrier financial reports show that. So what I am saying is even aside from the subsidy "built in" to your bill, the carriers were subsidizing iPhones and it cost them plenty. This is why all the carriers are moving away from subsidized rates.

I have Verizon and you need to talk to them about your plan. They do have a new plan where you get no subsidized phone price and your bill is lower. I already switched to it a few months ago. When my 24 month contract runs out in a week or so, my bill will drop about $20 a month since it will no longer be a subsidized plan.
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A) they no longer pay Apple and B) they are no longer paying the subsidized price of a phone. So the explanation I see here means the carrier is pocketing tons of cash now. I don't see how this answers the issue at hand.

If there is a lower rate, that doesn't in fact lower the offerings of my current rate, then this answers the issue. But it will need to be more than $20/month. I'll stop by Verizon to check. Thanks for the advice.
 
dannys1 said:
Seriously, if I REALLY travelled that much and this was a problem i've encountered (I never have) I probably would just get wireless buds.
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Or you might try adulting. You know.....prioritise....see which is most important and act accordingly.

I top off every time I leave the house/car/work.

I honestly can't remember the last time I plugged in AND listened to music at the same time.
 
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Michael Scrip said:
Look... I get it man.

I'm just saying that price of services don't always go down. They usually go up.

Bandwidth is cheaper today. Routers and switches are cheaper today. Servers are cheaper today.

So why did Netflix raise the price from $8 a month to $10 a month?
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To make more profit.
 
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dmylrea said:
Says many. And, because Apple envisions a wireless future, that's a good thing? I'd be hard-pressed to come up with ONE THING that is more reliable/cheaper being wireless than wired. Convenience, maybe. But as we get more and more wireless, you have to worry about batteries, signal strength, interference, malfunctions, etc. And now people need a damn adapter hanging off their phone to use their expensive headphones and earbuds?

The problem, too, is no other manufacturer uses the lightning connector. I guess we need TWO sets of earbuds and TWO sets of headphones so we can use our OTHER NON-APPLE equipment?
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yeah but this is the Apple way of life, my systme my rules, that's way they NEVER could do a real social media whatever, I mena, evry try of Apple to do something main stream is limited to their users, so WInodws ruled the world, so they never will be google, never facebook, never whatsapp, never ever.

USB C is the most peculiar thing they had done ever, and I think they are regretting that move

you can argue (I do) his way hardware/software its great for their products, and for technology in general, they get rid of old technology a lot of time before none could, floppy disk, CV/DVD (blue ray!! haha even before to adopted it...) but this has a a cost, less bucks in our pockets and more technological waste for the planet. they push markets a bit, I'm so so tired of carry around multiple adaptors for my Apple stuff... but making stuff it's veruy hard, you design something for 2 years and when its ready to the market, something new it's being develped ready to add for your next move.

and expending our money is the onloy way manucfacters have to improve that slow their products.

100 yeras old jack was great, but USB C would be greater, I hate ligthing so much I wish I'd like Android, but I can't and I think this would never happen. It's like Windows, man so menay versions and still stinks!!! my surface pro 3 has blue dead screen, now a days!!!!!! when you are so big/accesible/cheap you dont need to do nothing to get better... But Apple almost disapeared some time ago and the only thing took them afloat again was the founder philosophy, so I hope they are not going to forget that, lets see if in some future microsoft is so near to the bankruptcy that they need to start doing things in the right way.
 
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Geckotek said:
To make more profit.
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And that's exactly what the carriers would do too.

Remember... people are saying they're paying more per month after the loss of contracts and subsidies.

And I am saying the price probably would have gone up regardless.

The carriers set the price... and it's to give them the most profit.
 
pojo1806 said:
Said same price as 6S yet iPhone 7 listed as £599...? Pretty sure the 6S was about £529/539
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Same price seemed to apply only to the US. I took note of the old prices before the store went down, and in Finland the regular size went up 20€ per model while the Plus went up 50€ per model, and they weren't exactly cheap to begin with.
 
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rockinrakozy said:
Yup, you got me. Terrible system and terrible ears. Since all I do all day long is mix and record and compose film scores and music and do foley and dialogue editing and sound design all day long. Yup... that's me, terrible set of ears. And no, I'm not complaining that it's old, it's time to just try something different, ya know, advance the technology forward. Be open-minded about this stuff, dude.
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Try? How about be forced to try. If Apple was so hell-bent on converting to digital sound, we've had headphone and earpods and such years ago when the lightning connector was invented. Instead, they TAKE AWAY something and force us to use something else because it's different? How is it different than the lightning port in my iPhone 6?
 
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chabig said:
Some people value form over function. Some prefer prefer to look at the entire package. Great design is timeless. I guess youl wouldn't wear a Rolex, then? That's your prerogative, but lots of people do.
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Will you be upgrading to the iPhone 8 next year?
 
Jet black looks way too glossy, why would anyone want that? Very prone to slips and scratches. Reminds me of those cheapo colored models that were all plastic.
 
The next iPhone SE will be awesome, all this power in a smaller package = even better battery life.
 
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