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That's a 1.54:1 screen ratio on the 16". That is approaching the 3:2 I would love. This is a productivity powerhouse. This is honestly the first time since '12 that I have been genuinely interested in a macbook pro.

I really, really, wonder how the iMac pro will look like. If the iMac pro with an M1Max Desktop Edition is even more beastly, I'm probably getting the iMac pro and a framework laptop for pentesting on the road. If not, then I guess this MBP, or excuse me, NBP would more than suffice. The config I'm shooting for is $3899. An iMac pro should be around those prices as well, and I'm not really in need of moving around too much right now.
 
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You can get more screen real estate without notch. Your logic would apply if Apple put the camera right in the center of the screen. Notch is not as bad but it is still bad.

The camera clearly won't fit in the top bezel. So Apple would have had to eliminate the camera/keep the same poor quality (people would scream bloody murder), increase the size of the top bezel (people would scream bloody murder), or use a notch. It isn't currently practicable to eliminate bezels.
 
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To everyone saying the Notch is only in the menu bar so there should be no concern: I guess you don't use a lot of complex software. I have some software that has a dozen menu options. So it is a concern now having drop down menus go INTO the "notch space"
 
More than 7gb read/write speed and loads of improvements, and you focus on the notch?
Come on, guys...
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The notch IS silly. But, I don't think content even "goes" into that area of the screen, just the menu bar. All of the videos during the presentation showed it only came up to the notch and didn't cut into it. I don't think you'll be able to open RAW and Video files and slip them up into the areas around the notch.

I assume MacOS will build in a dark black menu bar setting to remove the notch completely as well.
 
Trading a USB 4 port for an HDMI port is a downgrade.
The HDMI and SD ports are not a "trade" for a TB port - the M1 Pro only has 3 USB4/TB4 controllers - one per port, one more than the M1. That's 50% more TB bandwidth than the old 16" which only had 2 controllers between 4 ports + the new support for TB4 hubs meansyou'll be able to add more TB ports if you need them.... and if you don't want to carry a hub/dock around you'd previously have had to have used one of your precious TB ports just for power, and a second one if you wanted to plug into a projector or TV. Now you have magsafe and HDMI for that.
 
To everyone saying the Notch is only in the menu bar so there should be no concern: I guess you don't use a lot of complex software. I have some software that has a dozen menu options. So it is a concern now having drop down menus go INTO the "notch space"

That is a fair point. Cinema 4D springs to mind. It's certainly over 2/3 screen on my 30" 4k monitor on my Mac Pro.
 
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I am very happy with this upgrade. I gave me a lot of things I sorely missed: decent ports, magsafe and no touch bar. Just ordered the entry 14" with the M1 Pro. I currently have the M1 and that is plenty fast.
 
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Similar to a 2009 MBP, but damn $1999 for an entry level 14”? Inflation prices is a real thing then.

Here’s my thing they went back to the future in terms of redesign and ports(seems like no one is buying the dongles)
but they had a chance to legit bring something back that was 20 years in the making and nothing.. (R.I.P iPod) 😭

The 14" isn't "entry level" though. The entry-level MacBook Pro is the 13" at $1299.
 
That is a fair point. Cinema 4D springs to mind. It's certainly over 2/3 screen on my 30" 4k monitor on my Mac Pro.
Yep, it was going to be an instant buy from me, but with the notch I need to wait for updated to the software/reviews to see how the "notch space" works out with a lot of drop down menus in software.
 
Great SoC, return to a normal keyboard, improved display, lame chassis design and of course the damn notch
 
I can't believe they put a notch on a laptop. It's the most atrocious design choice I've seen in a very long time. I would rather LOSE that tiny part of the screen, literally black it out and put the menu bar below the notch than have to look at that all day. I always thought Apple made sound design choices even when others complained (Magic Mouse 2 charging port, etc), but this is the first time I'm amazed and stunned at their horrible choice.
 
Interesting. I was reading and I understood Microsoft wasn't officially supporting Parallels. I'd just like something more “permanent” if I could. Especially since, when I trade in my 2015 MBP for a new one, I'll be giving up Mojave (hence my lifetime Dreamweaver license); I can lose MS-Office (NeoOffice is fine) but Dreamweaver has no replacement and is #*$&(!^! expensive to rent. Also, I do have ancient, and I mean ancient, Windows software I still need.

Don't trade in. Keep. Best of both worlds.

OR, do trade in. Buy a cheap PC with only enough power to run whatever you need to run in Windows.

Perhaps consider one of those PC NUCs as a fat Windows "dongle."

I'm in the same boat as you. As a businessman who serves clients that sometimes need me to be able to run Windows-only stuff or have absolute compatibility with Windows software (even when there is a Mac version of something), I face the very same issues (even the Dreamweaver one). There's no single system option here.

The days of having ONE computer able to fully handle both worlds is fading fast (ARM Windows is NOT a solution that covers all such bases). So we're back to needing TWO computers if we need something to run new MacOS and Windows. And those people who have to do a fair amount of work that requires Windows will potentially need to think about which kind of computer they really need to buy next. Those who need Windows but have favored Macs because they could also run Windows may have to bail/defer on new Macs because need > want.

I wish there was a better option. Myself? I can do most of what I need to do with Macs. So I'll see if existing Macs can cover Windows needs for as long as possible. Then I'm probably going for a Windows machine, NUC or stick computer... not because I want to buy a Windows PC but because clients need me to run Windows natively sometimes and as old Macs conk, the only way is back to having both kinds of computers as TWO SEPARATE computers.

Or maybe Windows ARM picks up a LOT of steam in the next few years, wide adoption and then a Parallels option becomes workable and still in a single box.

Else, I'm starting to think about Mac Mini + Windows NUC/Stick + Screen as some kind of new mobile computer... not an all-in-one-case laptop. Mini & NUC are small and screens are thin. So maybe all that can fit into a laptop-like travel bag? Maybe that becomes the new mobile business person solution to cover both worlds?

I hate the idea of it... but sadly see the tremendous benefit of BOTH major platforms in one case as slipping away more every day. Goodbye Bootcamp- one of the BEST features Apple ever offered for working Mac people.
 
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The HDMI and SD ports are not a "trade" for a TB port - the M1 Pro only has 3 USB4/TB4 controllers - one per port, one more than the M1. That's 50% more TB bandwidth than the old 16" which only had 2 controllers between 4 ports + the new support for TB4 hubs meansyou'll be able to add more TB ports if you need them.... and if you don't want to carry a hub/dock around you'd previously have had to have used one of your precious TB ports just for power, and a second one if you wanted to plug into a projector or TV. Now you have magsafe and HDMI for that.
Wow, an amazing thing just happened: I read a comment on MR and it changed my mind.

I still have this nagging feeling that if they didn't plan to put that stupid SD card slot in they'd have added another TB port even if it shared bandwidth with another, but you've made me feel generally better about the whole situation...

Not that any of this would have reduced my overall enthusiasm for this beast. I can't expect something custom built to my specifications. I haven't been this excited by a new machine in a very long time!
 
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