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Apple Updates Boot Camp With Windows 10 Support

TechZeke said:
I'm absolutely baffled by this. My 2011 iMac is still way more powerful than all the low end windows laptops out there that will be running Windows 10 out of the box. Certainly a 12-core Mac Pro from 2012 should be supported.
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I run windows 10 on my 2011 iMac.
 
skwood said:
My update is failing with the error: "The file blah blah...is not a valid installation package for the product Boot Camp Services. Try to find the installation package 'BootCamp.msi' in a folder from which you can install Boot Camp Services"

I've already dug it out and it fails.
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Same thing is happening to me. Also downloaded the update to a USB stick as per the instructions here

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923

And it failed as well
 
HVDynamo said:
It seems they don't like supporting older hardware much with bootcamp. 2011 macbook pros and older should be perfectly capable of running windows 10, not to mention the older Mac Pro's.
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The cynic in me has always thought Apple intentionally limited hardware bootcamp support for commercial reasons, not technical (read into that whatever you like) but I only have to look at my own early 2009 mid-range 24" iMac to see some evidence of that.

This old iMac ran Windows 7 x64 and is now running Windows 10 Pro 64bit without a hitch including all of apple's function keys (volume, brightness, eject etc...) but according to Apple my iMac is not supported (only 32bit Windows 7 is, for W7 x64 or later - there are no suitable Bootcamp versions). All I had to do was trick bootcamp assistant into installing the "unsupported" Windows version and had to later force install bootcamp5's BootCamp.msi.

This artificial gimping by Apple is unfortunate but at least there are workarounds for those of us who are willing to do the legwork. Windows 10 is breathing new life into this old mac.
 
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Can't believe this is being debated. There's no reason for Apple to add support in 6 for older machines that are fully supported in 5.1. If 6 included every driver for every Intel Mac the BC package would be several gigs in size.

Even the 5.1 packages come in two versions for different Macs.

And nearly every driver you need is included in Windows. The only Max specific things you need are keyboard, trackpad, mouse, control panel, HFS.
 
Problems on models 2011 and earlier:

Intel HD3000 or slower
Bluetooth 2.1 + -
Some models are just too old (Mac Pro early 2008)

Bootcamp is just pack of drivers....and who knows how things work can easily install W10 on almost every 64-bit Mac.

Unfortunately Macrumors has become a place for whiner and bots long time ago....
 
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Quu said:
I'd really like them to enable Iris Pro in Windows with the graphics switching. OS X can do it so there really isn't any reason it can't be done in Windows with a driver. Other Windows laptops can do it aswell.
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Actually there is a reason. There's special hardware on the motherboard that Apple uses for the GPU switching. On Windows laptops that do GPU switching there are limitations we don't see on OS X. Like nVidia Optimus. A great example of this is QuickSync not working while to dedicated GPU is active. They could perhaps make this hardware work on Windows, but it's a matter of the way it's all routed. Windows sees the display is connected to the dGPU, so it runs that.

alvindarkness said:
I agree with you though, they seemed to draw a line for windows support, which I presume is more to do with testing and validating than anything. Although the cynic in me thinks its just par for the course with Apple and their support for their older machines.
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It's probably mostly validation, yes. The Apple motherboards however do use a few specialised components, such as the one I talked about above, and so it makes sense they can't support it all. That said, this is just updates for Windows 10 and the old boot camp should support all Windows versions that use the same kernel as they do now (or at least a similar enough one).
 
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I have Windows 10 running via boot camp on my early '09 iMac. I don't see a need to install the boot camp drivers since almost everything windows needs for my hardware it just installs itself.

Only 2 things show up in device manager as needing drivers, iSight camera and coprocessor. I don't use the camera, but am concerned about the coprocessor driver.

Before clean installing Windows 10, I forced installed boot camp 5 and it still had the triangle in device manager saying that it needs the driver for the coprocessor. So the newer boot camp drivers seem to be missing stuff for the older chipsets.

So after clean installing Windows 10, I decided to not even install the boot camp drivers since it's obvious I don't need them. The only thing I will manually install is the keyboard driver from boot camp.

So anyone here force installing newer boot camp drivers on an older Mac should check device manager in windows to see if it's missing anything.
 
dusk007 said:
It is more like 13 days not 3 and this sounds like you think they start working on it when 10 launches. They had plenty of time before launch to get everything ready. It is also not a whole lot of work, given that the only new thing they need is a graphics driver that they don't provide anyway. There are also plenty of manufacturers that were ready on day one to ship Windows 10 hardware and support it even before it launched.
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Heh, yea... it was certainly a decision they made to do it that way. I always love the 'it was too much work' type reasoning where that kind of stuff is concerned. If they wanted to get it done, they could easily hire a person or two, and done. I'm sure there is either some technical reason they don't want to 'officially' go back further than that, or (given other more recent hardware decisions), it's just a part of their new marketing team's effort to accelerate the purchase of new equipment (i.e.: shorten the buying cycle for Macs to get closer to iOS devices).
 
Can anyone confirm if Windows 10 now works with two Apple Thunderbolt 27" monitors after the Bootcamp 6 update?
 
JustThinkin' said:
Good, my 5-day old like-new (refurbished) mid-2012 MacBook Pro 15 was running horribly with Windows 10 using the existing Bootcamp, with some drivers completely missing. This isn't what you expect when you get a new system.
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Um, you didn't get a new system.
 
vagos1103gr said:
So what i have to do then? how to delete the bootcamp if i can't get to windows but only in the safe mode? i tried to uninstall the bootcamp in safe mode but doesn't let me.
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sorry that was badly worded by me, i meant i uninstalled the whole bootcamp installations, the whole windows partition.
 
DynaFXD said:
If self appointed grey beards want to go sit in the barber shop and swap stories of 'The good ol days', more power to 'em. For the rest of us, more voice integration is the future, not less. It's not like Dragon dictation or other recognition software are actually new or innovative at this point. MS wants to push the ball further down the field towards completely seamless voice integration? Sounds good to me, warts and all!
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Heh, no it's more like geek-visions of Star Trek, "Computer, how far is it to the nearest dwarf star." Else, why would one want to talk to their computer?

Being a gray beard, I may have been playing with voice recognition before you were born. ;) But aside from assistive technology for handicapped purposes, I still use keyboard and mouse. And, it's not because I'm a gray beard or that the technologies don't work.... it's just a fairly pointless mode of interface if you can actually mouse and type.
 
Traverse said:
Is the mocking of Windows really necessary? While I prefer OS X, there is no denying that Windows 10 is a vast improvement. From what I've seen, it blows Yosemite out of the water as far as performance goes. Hopefully El Capitan with Metal and fix this for modern Macs.
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I game occasionally and used to have a dedicated box for it. Two kids later, I don't have much time to dedicate anymore and can't justify maintaining another machine so I've tried native ports. Good lord.

I love OS X. I really do. My Mac is my work machine and it's great for that. However, something like Borderlands 2 runs like 60-70% of the performance on identical hardware. It's just terrible. I don't know if it's a case of lousy ports or Apple's crap 3D driver or OpenGL or what. But... yeah, Boot Camp is happening this week.
 
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HVDynamo said:
It seems they don't like supporting older hardware much with bootcamp. 2011 macbook pros and older should be perfectly capable of running windows 10, not to mention the older Mac Pro's.
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well, my 2008 samung laptop runs windows 10 perfectly fine and amazingly fast.

than again, the 2009 macbook pro (which has the exact same hardware: 2.4 ghz dualcore, 4 gb ram, 9600m gt) runs everything considerable slower than other laptops with the same hardware, like my samsung.
 
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AppleInTheMud said:
That would be quite dumb at the moment and hit Apple right back in the face. Cos the system now that constantly freezes and has errors is Mac OS X since Yosemite. There are constantly errors and GUI glitches.

And thats on my iMac (late 2013 and the 2015) my MacBook 12" (from this month) - My MacMini runs fine though.
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Yea, if the old Apple really is gone (we'll know more post iOS 9 and OS X 10.11), it won't be too many years before someone catches up and eventually passes them. And, if Microsoft has actually gotten serious about Windows again (a FAR bigger 'remains to be seen'), they'd certainly be in the running. That said, while I haven't tried Win 10 yet, I'd have a really hard time believing it's even close to catching up to the worst of OS X.
 
HVDynamo said:
It seems they don't like supporting older hardware much with bootcamp. 2011 macbook pros and older should be perfectly capable of running windows 10, not to mention the older Mac Pro's.
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Totally agree that it should run on any Mac with 64 bit support.

This can not come as a surprise to anyone with an Apple product though...

I've been very pleased with Windows 10 so far on my gaming rig. I actually end up doing more on that machine than on my Macs now. My Mini does really well (quiet, power efficient) running iTunes as a media server so I don't think I'll get rid of that. For once I'm not thinking about buying another Mac anymore... I'm thinking of another PC (considering, cost wise, I can build another one and between those two PCs, still be cheaper than a new Mac Pro and have hardware that isn't 2 years old).
 
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Steve121178 said:
You severely underestimate just how many users DO use Boot Camp. Many, many people are only allowed to use Windows at their workplace or they may be told quite specifically that OS X is not allowed/compatible, therefore people need to use Boot Camp/VM's to get around this issue.

Other users choose to run Windows natively because they want to, and there's an awful lot of users like this!
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A lot of them want to run Windows-only games too... in fact, I'd be curious which group is bigger.
 
Riot Nrrrd said:
Well that just stinks. I had Windows 7 SP1 working just fine in Boot Camp on my 2010 Mac Pro, decided to upgrade to Windows 10, got it working perfectly, and now Apple refuses to support the 2010 Mac Pros in Boot Camp?!?
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I'm considering the upgrade too. Did you just upgrade windows 7 to 10, or did you do a fresh install of Windows 10? I'm not sure which one is recommended for BootCamp?
 
I just tried W10 x64 on MacBook Pro 13" Mid 2014 with Boot Camp 6:

- Did not detect both of Thunderbolt monitors connected each in separate Tb ports
- Close lid shuts down mac, like hard shutdown, even with connected external USB keyboard
- No USB peripherals detected in second monitor
- Default font size set to 125% ?!

...no thank you...
 
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