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Apple Updates Entire iPod Family, Bringing Capacity and Performance Bumps to iPod Touch and Video Camera to iPod Nano

wizard said:
The vast majority of the potential users have no desire for a camera.
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YAY! Let's see the proof! I'm waiting. This should be good. :rolleyes:

wizard said:
What is wrong with you? Did you really expect to get exactly what you wanted from this update. For that matter what had you thinking cameras where coming - rumor sites. If so you deserve all the mental discomfort you are experiencing.

Now it is not like I don't have the image of a perfect Touch in my mind. It is just that I realize that Apple has it's own pressures and issues to deal with. Better in this situation to look at the positives, the lower price, the higher capacity and faster speeds. If these are not important to you then don't upgrade but also don't whine like a baby in a wet blanket.

Dave
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*yawn* Look, if you can't see all of the discontent over this "update" that's your problem. Nobody cares. What I see is my local target offering $25 iTunes cards with the purchase of a new iPod Touch because the backstock of the units is burgeoning. Happens after almost every refresh....except this time, it's going to be waaaay worse.

You have a super day.
 
wizard said:
Hopefully some of the people claiming to be ready to jump to Zune will quickly realize how stupid they look in this forum. As to the idea of a camera in Touch that will likely happen in the future but frankly there is a whole bunch of other features I'd rather see in the Touch before that camera arrives.
Dave
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The only benefit that Zunes have over iPods as far as I'm concerned is the HD playback... which I doubt Apple wants to enable so they can keep their :apple:TV alive.
 
krzyglue said:
I honestly don't think a pseudo ipod/laptop device will ever replace laptops (and on that note, neither will netbooks). Why? It's quite simple: call me crazy, but what I do on my laptop isn't limited to checking email and facebook. Taking notes in class, typing essays on the go, working on presentations, that type of thing. I don't see a phone-like device ever properly fulfilling those needs.
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That's exactly where I think these things are going. Most people who lug around laptops aren't doing heavy lifting on them like using Photoshop or Final Cut, but are doing the types of tasks you've just stated. We use them for entertainment, web browsing, and light productivity. Sure there are some exceptions to the rule, but I'm speaking in generalities. An iPhone sized device or maybe just slightly larger could do the same job that most of our laptops do if they continue to progress in terms of processing power, memory and interface improvements.
 
bloodycape said:
The couple of reviews I have read, and. discussions on other forums. Plus, I have a Mini with rockbox, and compared it to friends Zune, and with the same phones Sennheiser HD465 I found the Zune to sound better.
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Do you have a link?
 
Steve Jobs Q&A why Touch didn't get camera;
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/

Q.
You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A.
Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff — we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.
 
HLdan said:
They already have you so they don't need to keep pleasing the MR crowd to stay in business.
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What kind of nonsense is that? Potential upgraders are customers as well.


HLdan said:
Ha, it's funny some people here always say "Apple Blew it", "Apple is gonna fail at this release", "Apple has lost me and many others after this update" and what's even funnier is Apple's sales keep rising quarter after quarter, especially with the drop in the economy.:p
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iPod sales are barely rising anymore. They said they would expect future growth from more iPod touch/iPhone sales instead of "legacy" iPods (including the nano)

So how exactly will limiting the touch's feature set boost sales? In my opinion it's pretty obvious that the "production issue" rumour is true and we can expect a new iPod touch within a few months. Including a camera, microphone and maybe other things.

In other words: Apple botched it this time.
 
Gen said:
Steve Jobs Q&A why Touch didn't get camera;
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/

Q.
You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A.
Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff — we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.
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Interesting link.

So basically it's all about the app store. :eek:

.........hooray?
 
Gen said:
we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.
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Yeah right.
What a bunch of lame excuses.
What Steve says might be the reason why the old 8GB model is still sold at a lower price, but if you can afford to put a camera in a $149 device, you sure as hell can put one in a $399 device.
 
What I see here is a loud and vocal subset of potential buyers.

ipodtouch-user said:
As you can plainly see, there was a clear market and consumer interest for certain functionalities for the ipod touch line. My point is that apple screwed it by not recognizing this at all.
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You can believe that if you want but I'm not to sure the percentage of people out there looking for an MP3 player and marginal cell phone Camera combo is all that great. As to the lack of that camera have you considered that maybe Apple had plans for something better than run of the mill and could get the tech on board for whatever reason. Maybe Apple didn't want to sulky thier flag ship tablet with a middling camera.
Again, this much higher level of negative feedback to Apple's event indicates that something was missed.
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Or simply people jumped on the beat up Apple bandwagon. Take it another way where people can't separate reality from a rumor site.

Seriously would people even care if it wasn't for getting all worked up over baseless rumors? It is the same thing with some of the Tablet rumors where people get wrapped up in expectations even when there is no product in sight.

Don't get me wrong I love speculating about potential tablets and other Apple hardware but I try to keep my wish list and reality separated. I bring up tablets because I know without a doubt we will see the same sort of threads and the negativity no matter what Apple introduces. This is really sad as people should be happy that at least a portion of Apples customer base will be happy. Even worst we have people buying into the idea that a tablet would be a good place to run desktop Mac apps, thinking is sometimes required in the forums. That thinking needs to reflect what is possible with a given tech.


Dave
 
I will likely get more arrows shot at me but FM would be more useful than a camera.

iSamurai said:
iPod nano has FM radio?! I hope they will expand that eventually onto its iPods/iPhones...
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FM would be very good. Even better would be FM, Digital TV and shortwave. Digital TV front ends are down to one chip now. But Apple needs to start somewhere and FM is a very good place to start.


Dave
 
Gen said:
Steve Jobs Q&A why Touch didn't get camera;
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/in-qa-steve-jobs-snipes-at-amazon-and-praises-ice-cream/

Q.
You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A.
Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, “You don’t know what you’ve got here — it’s a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.”

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff — we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.
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Yeah - that was an extremely lame and "hedging" answer by Jobs.

"So, if the iPhone is mostly a portable communications and business device, then why put all those games and other media crap on there," one could argue.

The ipod touch is seen by Jobs as only a "gaming device"?? Yeah Steve-O, forget about all the potential marketability of the geolocation/GPS features/accelerometer (travel, education, personal productivity markets), "enhanced reality" applications that were supposed to come down the pike, built-in video, microphone without having to fiddle with a stupid string around your neck...

No, people don't want ANY of that - just something that will play games.

Oh man, LAAAAAAAME.
 
ipodtouch-user said:
Just look at the amount of negative feedback pouring in here...and, by the way, if you check out the various online news articles covering Apple's event and scan the reader feedback forums there, it's the same picture.
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That doesn't mean anything. MR, Notebook Review, MacNN and several other online Mac forums plus blog sites don't even make up a 10th of Apple's customer base and thank goodness they don't. Think of these people as the critics to the celebrities because that's what they are. Thank goodness the celebs don't rely on album and concert sales from the critics alone, they wouldn't be in business. Thank goodness Apple doesn't rely on sales from the forums and blog sites, they would be out of business failing from trying to please every complaining person they will never live to please.
Give these forum members and blog sites the moon and they will still complain that they want the sun.
 
Just got an E-Mail from Apple highlighting Nano!

Just skimmed it but between the mail and Apple home page I'd say we are missing the details with respect to what happened with Touch. Maybe the camera failure is true and this is simply a bump release to hold them over until the kinks are worked out of the features slated for the new model.

The other possibility is that the have a new hardware theme for the Touch machines and the coming tablets. The idea being to release everything based on this scheme in one shot.


Dave
 
for those that say people will whine no matter what

though this is a scientific analysis, just look at the difference in reaction from last year's ipod touch announcement to this years.

Last year: 81 Positive, 110 Negative
https://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/2nd-generation-ipod-touch-2-1-firmware-speaker-thinner/

This year: 67 Positive, 314 Negative
https://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/0...-to-ipod-touch-and-video-camera-to-ipod-nano/

To me, that says that you're always going to get some people that are happy and some people that are disappointed, but when you have almost 5x as many people that rate as negative as positive, then I think that's pretty telling.
 
HLdan said:
Give these forum members and blog sites the moon and they will still complain that they want the sun.
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These aren't pie-in-the-sky wishes of potential buyers we're talking about -- these are some basic hardware additions that would allow users to make
more full use of many applications that exist and are being developed for the app store -- and if Steve Jobs sees the touch as the lowest price point option for people to have access to the iTunes store then give the darn device some functionalities to make the fullest use of those applications.
 
I never understood what's so good about FM Radio. I've got all the songs I need everywhere I go so what's the point?
 
not sure if this was said before, but the fact that Phil said that the iPod Touch does not require a contract makes me think that the iPhone is going to be stuck on ATT and maybe not come to VZW
 
one more thing.... :)

last year, I bought an 1G ipod Touch and even paid for the 2.0 software update because I wanted to try out the app store. as soon as the 2G ipod Touch was released, I was compelled to get it because it was considerably better than the 1G ipod Touch.

i've had the 2G ipod Touch for exactly a year now (much longer than I had the 1G ipod Touch before I upgraded to the 2G ipod Touch) and I have NO desire to upgrade to the 3G ipod Touch. Some people may say that Apple is trying to reach the market that doesn't already have iPod touches, but I think the smartest thing you can do from a business sense is to get people that don't have touches AND people that DO have touches to want to upgrade. Don't you make more money that way than if you give those that bought touches in the past year little incentive to upgrade?
 
Speedy2 said:
So how exactly will limiting the touch's feature set boost sales? In my opinion it's pretty obvious that the "production issue" rumour is true and we can expect a new iPod touch within a few months. Including a camera, microphone and maybe other things.
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Firstly I never said limiting a feature would boost sales, nor did I say that it's stupid to add any new features including the camera. And exactly to whom are you referring to would actually KNOW that a certain feature has been left out of the new iPod Touch? Answer, existing customers of the iPod Touch that stay in tune with geeky news online or any other Apple geek. Most people don't even know how to turn on their computers since they can't find the power button. Most people buy $$$$ Plasma TV's only to surf like a couch potato all day and never use the extra features the TV can perform. The majority of Apple's customers who were considering an iPod Touch don't give a rats behind about a camera NOT being in the new model.

Heck, for all most customers know the geeks on MR were expecting a brain operated iPod Touch that plays songs based on your thoughts as well as next generation Blu-Ray movies.

I saw a girl at the grocery store playing with her iPhone today and I asked her if she downloaded the new 3.1.1 update today. Her reply was, "huh? an update? What's that"? Most people don't care like theses online geeks.
 
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