Apple Watch Pulse Oximetry Can Be Reactivated Through Software in 2028 or With Successful Appeal

[Shirasaki]

Now I am curious. Can Masimo outlast Apple in legal battles? Epic failed. Could Apple just drag out the fight so long that Masimo runs out of money and relent?
As for blood oxygen sensor, it works in Australia and I tested out a few times. Rather unstable result.
In a sense it would be better for Apple to work out their own sensor some years later without the involving patents? Or Masimo can just renew patents to hurt Apple if Apple can’t figure out their own ones By 2028?

 

[Born Again]

patent trolls are the worst

Not true. They're a legit company.

 

[Shirasaki]

According to the article the patent (or the last of them that apply) expires in 2028.

Given how much whining there is on this forum about Apple's overpriced RAM and storage upgrades I'm surprised that Cook's unethical business practices are getting so much support.

Yeah Cook got more sponsored supports than just this one. I’m surprised so many people pay Apple money and also defend Apple no matter what at the same time.

 

[Shirasaki]

All of you going after Masimo for defending its patents

Have you SEEN how Apple defends their IP?

Let’s get a grip here

Nope. They will selectively ignore how Apple defends their IP.

No grip.

 

[vicviper789]

Good. Apple needs to be put in their place

 

[RHutch]

“Kiani has maligned the Apple Watch blood oxygen sensor several times, saying that customers are "better off without" the feature because it is not a "reliable, medical pulse oximeter."”

so basically, Masimo is admitting that their technology is unreliable…

This is just a terrible and uninformed take on the situation. It is more like Masimo asserting that Apple’s implementation of Masimo’s patented technology/process is poorly done/unreliable.

Masimo manufactures hospital grade pulse oximeters—not unreliable.

 

[Suicidy]

it gives me one reading a day - who finds this useful?

You can manually check your O2 also. Mine gives me several readings a day on it’s own.

 

[Suicidy]

Good. Apple needs to be put in their place

What place would that be?

 

[Apollo68]

What place would that be?

Ideally a place that respects other company's IP, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Suicidy]

Of course it is. Masimo has all the cards at this point.

No, the judge has all the cards.

 

[Suicidy]

Ideally a place that respects other company's IP, but I won't hold my breath.

How do you know Apple is in the wrong?

 

[Apollo68]

No, the judge has all the cards.

The judge has no cards. Masimo and theoretically apple are the ones holding the cards and the judge just decides who has the better hand.

 

[Apollo68]

How do you know Apple is in the wrong?

Well, other than the fact that their arguments have not prevailed at this point, who knows. Call it a hunch.

 

[hoodafoo]

Why can't Apple just fess up and admit that they stole the technology and pay for it?

 

[delsoul]

Why doesn’t Apple just tell American consumers they must buy an Apple Watch 9/AWU2 from outside of the country, but then Apple will ship it to one of their stores or directly to your doorstep. Americans could order it from the Canadian website or so. Or at the very least, it’s purchased then sent to a third party who then sends it to the American buyer. This is how Americans who owned teslas were able to buy the official non-Tesla charging adapter before third party options became available….Americans would ‘buy’ the charger on a South Korean website (Tesla only sold the chargers officially in South Korea and you needed a South Korean residence address to purchase it from the Tesla store). The South Korean person would then buy it for you and then once it arrived, they shipped it immediately to you…There’s ALWAYS a loophole somewhere .

 

[Apollo68]

Why doesn’t Apple just tell American consumers they must buy an Apple Watch 9/AWU2 from outside of the country, but then Apple will ship it to one of their stores or directly to your doorstep. Americans could order it from the Canadian website or so. There’s ALWAYS a loophole somewhere .

That's not a loophole. Thats just a great way to get slapped with a fine for trying to dodge the ruling of the ITC.

 

[TigerNike23]

I’m not picking a side in this fight because I have a Series 8 which is exempt, but those on here saying Apple should partner with someone else or come up with their own sensor completely forget the fiasco switching from Qualcomm modems to Intel modems. It was a nightmare for the user.

 

[pauloregan]

I’ve set an alert to remind me.

 

[RHutch]

Masimo is trying to bring their own wearable to market. They claimed it would launch in 2023. It'd be hilarious if the patent expires before they're able to produce it.

Side note: I recently went to a local walk in clinic to get something to fight a cough and the device they used to take my pulse ox was identical to the O2 value on my Ultra. Seems pretty accurate.

Getting the same value one time is not the standard by which to make that judgment.

 

[seek3r]

patent trolls are the worst

These guys arent patent trolls. Patent trolls pretty definitionally dont actually make products that could be infringed on. You may not agree that Apple is infringing, it’s possible the courts decided wrong, but Masimo does actually make products that use this tech and the suit doesnt appear to be in bad faith, they arent trolls.

 

[burgman]

Not true. They're a legit company.

Not mutually exclusive, like many medical companies.

 

[tomtad]

2028!

Can someone please sack Cook

Enough is enough

 

[burgman]

Save a bunch of money, buy $20 finger pulseOx that just works.

 

[jz0309]

Deleted 1st paragraph

Secondly, this ban affects S9 and U2, does it go forward and apply to S10 and U3? Does Masimo need to file again for that? Or?

And I assume Apple is still trying to invalidate the patents in question…

 

[macabrumorsab]

patent trolls are the worst

Speaking of patent trolls: there is one company that even claimed to have a patent for round corners and won at a US court. I just know that its name starts with an 'A', but can't remember the rest ... maybe you know it?