Apple Wins Injunction Barring U.S. Sales of Samsung Galaxy Nexus Phone

[SpyderBite]

I can only assume that all this astonishment is a result of our collective common interest in the Android and Apple products.

These sort of court decisions happen a hundred times a day with cigarettes, orange juice, dairy products, pulminary pace makers, etc.

The courts are full of copyright and patent law infringement allegations. I wonder if the same arguements are 30+ page threads on the Country Crock forums regarding I Can't Believe Its Not Butter patent issues?

 

[Zombie Acorn]

It's pretty absurd and pathetic that some people still want to call what's going on in the smartphone business competition. Can I take all of the work you did on your job last week and sign my name on it?

Ask Apple.

 

[2IS]

It's pretty absurd and pathetic that some people still want to call what's going on in the smartphone business competition. Can I take all of the work you did on your job last week and sign my name on it?

Go for it. The work I did last week wasn't really my own (don't tell anyone though)

 

[DeepIn2U]

And what "core software technologies" would you be talking about?

these are the features that were listed

1. A means of detecting and marking up data like a phone number or an e-mail address, and then initiating a phone call or an e-mail when the linked data is clicked
2. A means of searching multiple databases and sources for data.
3. A slide to unlock feature.
4. An autocorrect-type function that completes the word as a user types and allows the user to accept or reject the word.

One of the main patent requirements is called the 'nonobviousness requirement'
That means that these features shouldn't be concepts and techniques that are taught at every introductory computer-science course.

Apple won this injunction because they held these patents, but the problem is that they shouldn't have been able to get these patents in the first place.

Of the specifics quoted ... something doesn't make sense that Apple holds these patents.

1. Nokia, Ericsson, SonyEricsson, LG, Samsung, Motorola, etc had this in basic feature phones, and in smartphones (Symbian S60/UIQ) for years before apple developed the iPhone (including the 2 yrs before launch; as claimed by Mr. el Jobs-so).

2. Is this not something that is capable by default via an API of SQL-Lite?
^ this is freeware is it not?

3. This has Apple written all over it. I don't recall ANY company has even hinted at thinking about this simplistic, yet powerful & iconic function prior to Apple .. this is a gesture all-onto its own!

4. What?! Is this not something that BlackBerry, and other manufacturers I've mentioned in reply #1 above have had for years before 2005?! BlackBerry has something called AutoText (if you're not aware of what this is ... this of iOS5's "ShortCuts" function in Settings on roids). This not an Apple innovation.

I'm very confused of how Apple has had these as patents.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Ask Samsung.

There fixed it for you.

 

[Bendrix]

are people really as naive as the average apple fanboy? people, artists, companies, etc. steal ideas ALL THE TIME. how many makers are there, generally, for each kind of product? how much real variation is there? there are companies that make stratocaster and gibson ripoffs. there are usually several artists that make up a new movement of art. there are hundreds of car, television, telephone, and computer manufacturers. apple knows this too. but they are also cutthroat business people and they know if they can win this case they stand to benefit from it. they are no more or less evil than anyone else in the business.

 

[blow45]

Apple the big bully... Where's that product pipeline instead may I ask?

 

[thewap]

Apple the big bully... Where's that product pipeline instead may I ask?

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/02/22/microsoft.says.motorola.abusing.video.patents/

interesting article on Apple, Microsoft, and Cisco pledging together that they would not sue under patent standards,vs Google and Motorola's positions

 

[coldmack]

3. This has Apple written all over it. I don't recall ANY company has even hinted at thinking about this simplistic, yet powerful & iconic function prior to Apple .. this is a gesture all-onto its own!

I was told in this thread the Neonode had something related to this. The Dutch court through slide to unlock out of court because of what Neonode did or something. I am really not sure specifics or anything so I am sure someone will elaborate better on this.

 

[Taz Mangus]

This is the sort of thing that Apple should be very concerned about. They are sue-happy now, but once Google has had enough and strikes back, it's gonna get real ugly real fast.

But then again, Apple's Magical legal team is smarter than me, so whatever.

More like it is about to get real ugly real quick for Google: http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...-face-u-dot-s-dot-probe-over-motorola-patents

I can see it now, the Google defense to explain it all away, "We do no evil"!

 

[iTard]

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/02/22/microsoft.says.motorola.abusing.video.patents/

interesting article on Apple, Microsoft, and Cisco pledging together that they would not sue under patent standards,vs Google and Motorola's positions

And that proves exactly what? That M$ are not greedy bastards as much as rotten apple?

 

[thewap]

And that proves exactly what? That M$ are not greedy bastards as much as rotten apple?

read the article. Microsoft and Cisco back Appl ...

 

[iTard]

read the article. Microsoft and Cisco back Appl ...

Both M$ and cisco expects something for return for backing up apple.

This proves absolutely nothing. And this is about completely different case.

Talk about grasping at straws...

 

[thewap]

Both M$ and cisco expects something for return for backing up apple.

This proves absolutely nothing. And this is about completely different case.

Talk about grasping at straws...

Prove?, Microsoft and Aappl are more in bed together than what you may want to fantasize about..and always have been.

 

[iTard]

Prove?, Microsoft and Aappl are more in bed together than what you may want to fantasize about..and always have been.

So you further proved that both M$ and apple are arsehole and bullies of the industry.

Got it.

 

[2IS]

So you further proved that both M$ and apple are arsehole and bullies of the industry.

Got it.

I don't get it either. Somehow he correlating Apple criticism as MS praise and he's been doing it in his last several posts.

 

[thewap]

So you further proved that both M$ and apple are arsehole and bullies of the industry.

Got it.

no, that is not my point. This imagined rivalry between M$ and AApl since way back when is and always has been a product of the fans imaginations on both sides. Microsoft has always continued to support the Mac platform with it's software, and I bet Mac knows and M$ knows that they can also help each other.. Gates also owns AApl share reconciliated with Jobs a long time ago.
Healthy competition is normal, patent litigations are also normal with any corp.
The article simply shows how cisco, AAPL and M$ agree to pledge to not sue with patent
standards between each other, but are not sure of Motorola, google etc etc

 

[Lennholm]

Actually he didn't speak a word of truth. BTW, Apple's profits are public record, and I don't recall any money earned from lawsuits showing up as a portion of their main revenue stream. Billions from their popular products, but not lawsuits.

jW

Actually, you're wrong when you say the original poster actually didn't speak a word of truth (just thought I'd keep this troll-farce going)

 

[twigman08]

And ios is freaking stale compared to jelly bean

The only "stale" part about iOS is looks and everyone knows looks is the only thing important in how good an OS is.

 

[DeepIn2U]

no, that is not my point. This imagined rivalry between M$ and AApl since way back when is and always has been a product of the fans imaginations on both sides. Microsoft has always continued to support the Mac platform with it's software, and I bet Mac knows and M$ knows that they can also help each other.. Gates also owns AApl share reconciliated with Jobs a long time ago.
Healthy competition is normal, patent litigations are also normal with any corp.
The article simply shows how cisco, AAPL and M$ agree to pledge to not sue with patent
standards between each other, but are not sure of Motorola, google etc etc

Hmm. I think you have your facts wrong.

1. MS almost cut MS Office for Mac/Apple long before OSX debuted.
It took APPLE to appease microsoft by having several of THEIR employees apply & join Microsoft to help with development; soon after their employees. This team has grown ever since in the last 10yrs .

2. Microsoft HAD owned stock, NON-VOTING shares, of Apple back in 1999 for 5 yrs mandatory commitment. Not Gates. I'm sure MS has sold those shares/stocks since.
> Unless you can PROOVE this (I'm looking for Bloomberg/Reuters links in recent 4yrs to backup this claim) < I'm not buying this claim.

3. MS & Apple are partners for a LOT of things .. but its because Apple is their LARGEST competitor and customer:
Competition: Apple vs M$
1. OS X vs Vista/Windows7/Windows 8
2. iOS vs WP7/7.8/8
3. MS Office vs iWorks (to a lower degree).

LARGEST Customer:
1. Exchange ActiveSync - its licensed for seats; I'd say Android may be paying more for this but considering Google has its own ActiveSync like implementation with no need to license I'm unsure they'd need to pay more.
2. MS Office 2008/2011 bundling in with OSX.
and other cross-patent licensing for things MOST of us don't even know about.

BTW lets enjoy this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs8NVl74uYs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Rocketman]

What I don't understand is one would presume that Samsung likes to sell components to a large seller like Apple. Perhaps to the degree they understand and respect their customer does not like their products openly ripped off in some countries (where there is no enforcement) and somewhat in countries where it is outlawed.

The sheer gonads of that is interesting to me. It strongly incents all such situated customers to look for alternate suppliers when and as possible.

I can only assume Samsung is rational to some limited degree and somebody somewhere has done a trade off analysis and decided the pirate income is totally worth it.

Rocketman

 

[thewap]

Hmm. I think you have your facts wrong.

1. MS almost cut MS Office for Mac/Apple long before OSX debuted.
It took APPLE to appease microsoft by having several of THEIR employees apply & join Microsoft to help with development; soon after their employees. This team has grown ever since in the last 10yrs .

2. Microsoft HAD owned stock, NON-VOTING shares, of Apple back in 1999 for 5 yrs mandatory commitment. Not Gates. I'm sure MS has sold those shares/stocks since.
> Unless you can PROOVE this (I'm looking for Bloomberg/Reuters links in recent 4yrs to backup this claim) < I'm not buying this claim.

3. MS & Apple are partners for a LOT of things .. but its because Apple is their LARGEST competitor and customer:
Competition: Apple vs M$
1. OS X vs Vista/Windows7/Windows 8
2. iOS vs WP7/7.8/8
3. MS Office vs iWorks (to a lower degree).

LARGEST Customer:
1. Exchange ActiveSync - its licensed for seats; I'd say Android may be paying more for this but considering Google has its own ActiveSync like implementation with no need to license I'm unsure they'd need to pay more.
2. MS Office 2008/2011 bundling in with OSX.
and other cross-patent licensing for things MOST of us don't even know about.

BTW lets enjoy this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs8NVl74uYs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjac...-bill-gates-to-make-1997-investment-in-apple/

That is an article how Gates invested in Jobs to bring AApl back

AaplOSX is not in the business to supply OS to all the PC manufacturers, so not in direct competition with M$.

AApl software is not designed for PC and vice versa..

M$ is a software co. so was never in competition with Mac on a hardware basis..

Appl is not M$ largest customer, PC's are.

AApl & M$ collaborate on Office

M$ biggest competition is the internet Giants

 

[kdarling]

3. This has Apple written all over it. I don't recall ANY company has even hinted at thinking about this simplistic, yet powerful & iconic function prior to Apple .. this is a gesture all-onto its own!

Swipe locks and unlocks were common as dirt around the turn of the century on PDAs. They spawned both a locker sub-industry and research papers as to what were the most secure lock apps and patterns.

Then everyone realized that finger grease often left the unlock pattern visible.

Goodbye swipe-for-security. Hello swipe-to-unlock just for the ease of it.

NeoNode started the latter in 2002 with their all touch custom WinMo phone. I've already posted links in this thread, so I'm just going to say, Google "neonode unlock" and you'll get all the info you want.

I'm very confused of how Apple has had these as patents.

They applied for them

Of course, Apple also applied for a trademark on "Multi-Touch" and would've gotten it if Jeff Han hadn't talked the USPTO into taking back the government's preliminary stamp of approval.

Sometimes these things just need challenges. Last I checked, about half of challenged patents are invalidated. About half of those invalidated ones are later reinstated.

 

[Kwill]

Dude. When I saw iOS 5 keynote, last year, i thought with myself: what the **** is that Notification Menu? I mean, really?! Apple keeps saying that they're the most innovative company in the world and does something like this?
Well, now Google just needs to sue Apple for that rip-off, I think. Guess what? That didn't happen, but I can assure you that Notification Menu idea didn't come from a brilliant Apple employee.

Actually Notification Center was the product of home grown talent and the hiring of a creative jailbreak intern: Apple aiming to improve iOS notifications further with fresh talent

 

[DeepIn2U]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjac...-bill-gates-to-make-1997-investment-in-apple/

That is an article how Gates invested in Jobs to bring AApl back

AaplOSX is not in the business to supply OS to all the PC manufacturers, so not in direct competition with M$.

AApl software is not designed for PC and vice versa..

M$ is a software co. so was never in competition with Mac on a hardware basis..

Appl is not M$ largest customer, PC's are.

I get the feeling you did NOT read my post. Nor did you backup yours I originally replied to.

That article re-confirms what I've stated ... its does NOT state Bill Gates, nor even Microsoft STILL/CURRENTLY/TODAY has stocks/shares in Apple as you claimed in your post.

Apple OS X has over 25 million users worldwide.
These users are using a desktop/laptop computing platform that is NOT using Microsofts. You can BET that Microsoft has lost sales: of their OS, and to a lesser extent sales of their Office platform for these users of OSX that chose NOT to purchase/use their software. Its a vertical business.

it does not MATTER of OSX is sold legally with intent to run on Wintel machines ... the fact that its sold at all and ships with another computing platform that fights for the same target market of customers means its in direct competition to Microsoft.