Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse

[MM2270]

Originally posted by synergy
Err, no one forced you to buy anything.
You don't like the bundled gear, simply don't buy the whole package.

Uhh, RIIIIGHT! That makes total sense, why didn't I think of that!? I don't like the keyboard/mouse that Apple INCLUDES with all their desktops, so I guess I just WON"T BUY A MAC!

That is the single stupidist remark I've heard in years. If everyone used this flwed logic, Apple would lose HUGE sales. What an idiot!

 

[cwkoller5]

Re: From the 100% users out there...

Originally posted by Daschund
Again, flame me as much as you want, but just because you really think that everybody wants a two button mouse, it won't make that become a reality. It might make you be considered crazy or fascist thou! LOL LOL LOL

(coming down from the soap box...)

I just hate having to toss my Mac mouse (wasteful) and then buy another - which costs the same, if not less than the Mac mouse does. OSX is made for the right mouse button. It just is. If your graphics friends are still in OS9 land, then I can understand.

But I'm a multimedia/graphics Mac user and I've used Logitech mice for over a decade now. Context menus on the right. I program the left (3rd button) to hide others, which is very nice when you want to clear your screen after going back and forth to other apps. And the scroll is a godsend.

If you or your friends tried a 2 or 3-button scroll mouse, I think you and they would never happily turn back to the lucite chunk.

Remember, as much as I love Apple, this is - after all - the same company that gave us the round iMac puck, one of the worst mice in the history of mousedom. Style over substance is in full force here. I'd just like Apple to acknowledge the functionality of multi-button mice and make them better.

We know they certainly can, if they'd just get their heads out of 1984...

 

[bertagert]

Re: From the 100% users out there...

Originally posted by Daschund
ALL my mac friends that also work on ad agencies, graphic design companies or are photographers use the Apple mouse. Today I asked 18 of them about the possibility of having a two buttoned mouse only to hear the answer "Why would I want that? I wouldn't use the other button anyway..."

Daschund - I'm with you on this. Go to any computer store and watch people use the computer. I'll bet 99% of the people only use the one button. I personally like two buttons and a scroll wheel but my mother, sister, girlfriend, brother and grandfather only use one button (unless they have a scroll wheel, then they use that as well). What I'm getting at is this, most people don't use two buttons! Heck, they don't even understand why there are two buttons. I can see why Apple does their mouse this way. As for me, I use the Logitech MX700 wireless. Great mouse. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever used a computer companies standard mouse (Apple or Windows Computer). Apple should have definitely used a dock for recharging and added a scroll. Those two are biggies in my book.

Now onto the wireless keyboard. I have a Logitech wireless KB and the first thing I thought when I saw Apple's wireless was, "how in the world do you pick it up without grab a few keys by accident?" I grab mine all the time and put it on my lap. Or even move it around the desk sometimes to make room for a book or something. The new Apple KB has no place to grab on the side. I guess not a big deal but I could see it as a pain.

As for bluetooth part, I wish my mouse and keyboard where Bluetooth (mine are Radio). Not having two little usb things plugged in the back of the system and running underneath the desk would be nice.

Apple - put a scroll wheel on the damn mouse and add a little something on the keyboard so people can grab it!

 

[Stella]

I want to buy an Apple mouse, I really do. But there is no way I am going to buy a ONE button mouse.

I love and use Logitech mice - I have several generations of Logitech mice including MX500 and 700.

Logitech have no serious competition IMO - MS mice ? No, they suck - MS rely on bundling.

Apple could give logitech competition by releasing a stylish mouse. But time and time again they insist one ONE mouse button...

One Button mice are a joke and not to be taken seriously amongst the general population.

 

[oddjobboy]

Nevermind that...

Battery life 3 months???
In a company like the one I work for that runs 200+ Macs, I'd be replacing batteries every day! Why not have a rechargable mouse?

At least now the cable on the mouse won't break as it has been doing on about 20% of the newer machines here. I have never thrown away so many mice as I have in recent months!

And white is not a good colour in my mind. Apple users drink too much coffee and eat too much cake for a white keyboard to remain white for any longer than a month at most.

 

[Stella]

Oh and one more thing...

Signficiantly lower price!!

 

[bertagert]

Originally posted by MM2270
Uhh, RIIIIGHT! That makes total sense, why didn't I think of that!? I don't like the keyboard/mouse that Apple INCLUDES with all their desktops, so I guess I just WON"T BUY A MAC!

MM2270 - He was talking about not buying the mouse and keyboard when you get your Mac. Not, "don't buy a Mac because the keyboard and mouse aren't what you want".

I think you misread his post.

 

[cwkoller5]

Originally posted by trose
When you buy a new PC you get some crap generic mouse that may have a 2 buttons a scroll wheel, but that is lightweight and will break within a few months.

When you buy a PC at Dell (I use both Mac's and PC's), you can choose one of several mice. There's nothing wasted. And even the standard mice aren't "flimsy" ... they work and last just fine.

 

[MM2270]

Originally posted by bertagert
MM2270 - He was talking about not buying the mouse and keyboard when you get your Mac. Not, "don't buy a Mac because the keyboard and mouse aren't what you want".

I think you misread his post.

OK then, explain to me HOW I can buy a new Mac, either from Apple or another reseller, WITHOUT getting the mouse and keyboard?
You're the one misreading here. Many previous posts have complained that Apple doesn't give you the option NOT to get the k/m bundled with a new Mac. That's the point- the price of the whole system INCLUDES at least one device that I don't want. Knock off the $60 or so from the price and don't send me the lucite chunk mouse and I might not be so mad at them. But it's classic Apple/Steve J stubborness at work, or the "use it OUR way or shut up" mentality.

Shame on Apple for not giving users at least SOME choice here.

 

[alset]

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Booooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Dan

 

[sachmo]

Years ago I sold computers back when Mac were in a lot of retail stores. The two main reason people didn't buy where the mouse and no solitaire, and maybe the fact they could not pirate all the software off their buddies. (Please don’t take the above too seriously, but I did hear those comments a lot)

Now, I could care less who comes out with a BT 2-button mouse, I just want one for my laptop. I want wireless without any wires, which includes this thing that has a 6-foot cord to make my wireless mouse and keyboard work. I love the smaller Logitech mouse just want a simple/small receiver.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

2 button

Don't have time read all the posts here - and am not going to bash Apple, but as soon as I bought my B&W G3, I put a Logitech USB optical 2 button wheel-mouse on it. I upgraded to a double resolution version for $12 last year (not that the single resolution version was bad - just 'cause it was $12!)

When I upgraded to my dual G4 500, I imediatly shelved the single button, Apple mouse and continue to use the Logitech one.

If I buy a PB, I'll buy the BlueTooth keyboard but will look for a compatible 2 button BT mouse from Logitech, Kensington or Microsoft as I doubt Apple will ever provide one.

[edit] Or I'll buy a 3rd party BT keyboard if it's available. I dislike the feel of my current Apple Pro Keyboard - keys are too close together. I use Dell USB (Microsoft made) on my Mac at work. I presume Apple BT keyboard is similar. [/edit]

Too bad for Apple, but unless no other brand is compatible, I could care less who makes it, as long as it's built well.

FWIW, I use the 2nd button on Final Cut Pro, Eclipse (Java IDE), Safari (where I actualyl use the 3rd button a lot), Word, Excel, X11 apps and even Terminal sometimes.

 

[agreenster]

Re: From the 100% users out there...

Originally posted by Daschund
I had to post on this one (this is my first post on the forum)...

Flame me if you want, but I have to take stand on the soap box and say this...

I'm a photographer and a graphic designer. I've been an art director for ad agencies for more than 10 years. I have a Kensington mouse that I use on my PowerBook (only because the Apple mouse is a little too expensive, if any of you that don't use yours, please send one to me!) that has two buttons and the scrolling wheel and I use only one button. ALL my mac friends that also work on ad agencies, graphic design companies or are photographers use the Apple mouse. Today I asked 18 of them about the possibility of having a two buttoned mouse only to hear the answer "Why would I want that? I wouldn't use the other button anyway..."

So I guess that it's not as you all are bashing here. Not everybody (not even the majority, for that fact) wants a two button/scrolling wheel mouse. Might be the majority of the people that reads macrumors everyday, but from all the people that I know that work all day long in programs like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Quark and OSX, nobody cares about that. They were all really excited about the wireless mouse also.

Again, flame me as much as you want, but just because you really think that everybody wants a two button mouse, it won't make that become a reality. It might make you be considered crazy or fascist thou! LOL LOL LOL

(coming down from the soap box...)

A couple real reasons for the second (or third) button and scrollwheel:

1) Ease of use. I use the right click all the time to copy, paste, delete, etc. Especially in applications like Flash, Photoshop, etc...

2) Games. 'nuff said. Absolutely essential.

3) Maya. I use Alias Maya all the time (as a 3D guy) and its absolutely essential to have a three button mouse (or 2 + scroll) for navigation purposes. It doesnt work without it.

4) The scrollwheel is very helpful on websites, menus, finder windows, etc.

5) I right click all the time in the Finder to copy, move to trash, etc. Saves extra dragging or typing.

I could go on and on, but the point it the second mouse click is not only helpful, but sometimes essential. I would much rather have an Apple mouse than my IBM mouse, but I just cant have the one button.

 

[granex]

Re: I believe the mouse hiccup to be a Steve Jobs issue...

Originally posted by tazznb
He's never going to be man enough to won up to the fact that the one button mouse looses badly to a mouse made elsehere.

Oh, well.... guess who won't be buying this wireless mouse-keyboard combo.

NeXT computers had two button mice from the get-go.

 

[coolfactor]

Pro models

I couldn't handle reading all the depressing posts in this thread, but not once did I see anyone clue into the fact that these aren't labelled as "Pro" models. I expect to see a "Pro Keyboard" and "Pro Mouse" come out with multiple buttons and possible a scroll wheel, and an aluminum finish.

These are consumer models, not Pro... that's why there's only one button on the mouse.

 

[ChronoIMG]

Re: Pro models

Originally posted by coolfactor
I couldn't handle reading all the depressing posts in this thread, but not once did I see anyone clue into the fact that these aren't labelled as "Pro" models. I expect to see a "Pro Keyboard" and "Pro Mouse" come out with multiple buttons and possible a scroll wheel, and an aluminum finish.

These are consumer models, not Pro... that's why there's only one button on the mouse.

I hope your right, however... has Apple ever released a Pro mouse before? Not that I'm aware of. I think they're just content with the one button mouse and let the 3rd parties follow their lead with bluetooth to make a 2nd button and scroll wheel models. I'll be first in line for the Logitech bluetooth mouse.

 

[sockgap]

Originally posted by dr weebl
the DBT-120 shouldn't be too expensive tho as i just got one from ingram micro and it only cost £10

Garbage. That thing costs $50 from the Apple store, and the cheapest I can see them online is $31 ($37.95 with shipping).

 

[esheep2001]

OPTION

People, people. Calm down. This isn't about whether a single button is better than two is better than three etc. It's about having the CHOICE of what you get delivered with the machine. And if you don't like any of the choices you should be able to get it without the mouse and purchase your own.

Frankly, Apple should be offering a 2+ button mouse. The fact that people want an Apple designed one is testament to the quality and style that people associate with Apple, not necessarily that Apple have got it wrong with a 1 button mouse.

The Bluetooth announcements were an opportunity for Apple to introduce an iPod in the user input world. After all, everyone wants an iPod rather than some other mp3 player. What's dissapointing is they just blew the opportunity away

e.

 

[e-coli]

Originally posted by alset
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Booooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Dan

Tell us how you REALLY feel.

 

[Swift]

Oh, my god! No six-button mouse with microwave!

And I also noticed, there's no start menu on my Mac! How the hell can I use this? I can't be expected to option-click, or any of the other simple ways to get a Mac to do what I want! I have to have an unwieldy, dopey Windows mouse!

 

[mateft]

If apple did a 2 button mouse then they would have to change the mouse pref panel. For right and left ahnded people. That is what i loved bout the original pro mouse. used by both left and right handed people.

If a 2 button mouse should show up then expect to see the pref panel to change to allow the use to specift a left or right handed person.

 

[fred]

Well if the fawning media types who interview Greg Joswiak or Phil Schiller on new product announcements would ask hard questions like:

1) why doesn't Apple offer a mouse with a scroll wheel and more than one button when their customers clearly want them ?

2) why doesn't Apple offer to unbundle their keyboard and mouse from systems (hence reduce the price) if they insist that customers go to 3rd party solution for their wants/needs ?

...and countless other probing and incisive questions rather than be a platform for marketing drivel...

 

[Falleron]

Why so many negatives? Let face it, the Mac will always have a one button mouse!

 

[gerardrj]

Apple Can't win

As Apple integrates more features in to the OS, people complain they are "squeezing the little guy".
When Apple DOESN'T integrate a product or feature, they're "stupid" and "unbelievable".

I'd hazard a guess that upwards of 80% of Mac users simply use the one button mouse. It's completely functional: your hand is usually near the keyboard anyway, and moving the cursor to the scroll bar gets it out of the way of what you are trying to look at.

 

[toontra]

As well as being disappointing in terms of spec (1-button, no rechargeable batteries), Apple continues it's outrageous two-tier pricing policy.

$69 for each of these in the US, but £59 in the UK. With exchange rates the way they have been for the past 25 years, this should be £50 TOPS.

We are effectively expected to subsidize the US price. Well, not me.