This is really too bad... they answered my main complaint with Microsoft's bluetooth mouse (the on/off switch), but the lack of second buttond and a scroll wheel is disappointing.
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Apple's too damn proud.
It's 2003 and its decision-makers lack the insight to see most people prefer using multi-button mice. 'Switchers' especially!
OS X is the present and forseeable future. It's undeniable. It's built with context-sensitive functionality; it's aware of multi-buttton mice and how to use them without extra configuration. That's fantastic! So why does it insist on only providing its users with one-button mice? Multi-button mouse users have to reach for a 2nd peripheral (their keyboards) EVEN LESS by utilizing 2nd or 3rd buttons. It's not difficult or confusing! It's also more efficient to scroll with a finger vs. moving the entire hand. It's been said a billion times, yet they clearly still disagree. I can't see the justification in limiting the option.
You'd think at their price level Apple would ship feature-rich mice with their systems. Having to buy a 3rd-party mouse to replace the insufficient one that came with the system (and the alternate one offered by the manufacturer) is right there wih the cheap Wintel systems Apple abhors. Nice. Moves like this encourage users to spend even more money, but away from Apple.
Apple's too damn proud.
It's 2003 and its decision-makers lack the insight to see most people prefer using multi-button mice. 'Switchers' especially!
OS X is the present and forseeable future. It's undeniable. It's built with context-sensitive functionality; it's aware of multi-buttton mice and how to use them without extra configuration. That's fantastic! So why does it insist on only providing its users with one-button mice? Multi-button mouse users have to reach for a 2nd peripheral (their keyboards) EVEN LESS by utilizing 2nd or 3rd buttons. It's not difficult or confusing! It's also more efficient to scroll with a finger vs. moving the entire hand. It's been said a billion times, yet they clearly still disagree. I can't see the justification in limiting the option.
You'd think at their price level Apple would ship feature-rich mice with their systems. Having to buy a 3rd-party mouse to replace the insufficient one that came with the system (and the alternate one offered by the manufacturer) is right there wih the cheap Wintel systems Apple abhors. Nice. Moves like this encourage users to spend even more money, but away from Apple.
I am surprised how many people think that using a 1-button Mouse is easier than 2 buttons. The difference between the two buttons can be told by anyone who has learned to distinguish left and right. And I do not think that using ctrl+click is any easy. It is, after all, the Control-Key you're pressing and not some kind of context-menu key. I think it is just as easy using 1 button with ctrl as it is using 2 buttons.
What I think is more sensible is using a 2-button mouse because you only need one hand to do so. I certainly won't buy this new mouse.
What I think is more sensible is using a 2-button mouse because you only need one hand to do so. I certainly won't buy this new mouse.
I'm dissapointed with the wirless mouse and keyboard. Their nice and needed, but you think apple could have had them rechargeable and cost less than $70 per!
GIVE PEOPLE 2 Button and Wheel OPTION
Dammit, Apple continues to just not get it.
The keyboard seems nice, and just a bluetooth version of what they currently make, no problem from me.
But they just don't listen to their clients.... WE WANT A 2 Button and Scroll Mouse.
ok so you want to continue selling one with just one, fine sell both versions, see what sells more. you owe it to us after the hell you put us through with Motorola and no real new faster powerbooks for about a year.
Hell i am interested in buying one, and getting a mouse ext. but cmon, help your buyers out.
GOTO 2 buttons on your laptop clickers as long as we mention it.
The windows world isnt so bad with that, infact it's great. Why wont you adapt innovation from the other side? damn
Dammit, Apple continues to just not get it.
The keyboard seems nice, and just a bluetooth version of what they currently make, no problem from me.
But they just don't listen to their clients.... WE WANT A 2 Button and Scroll Mouse.
ok so you want to continue selling one with just one, fine sell both versions, see what sells more. you owe it to us after the hell you put us through with Motorola and no real new faster powerbooks for about a year.
Hell i am interested in buying one, and getting a mouse ext. but cmon, help your buyers out.
GOTO 2 buttons on your laptop clickers as long as we mention it.
The windows world isnt so bad with that, infact it's great. Why wont you adapt innovation from the other side? damn
worthless
Apple's gotta pull it's head out. Especially it's nuts, I use contextual menus in Final Cut Pro all the time... a high end program MADE BY APPLE! Yet they don't offer a mouse to support their own program?!? Let alone their OS?!? What planet is Apple on anyways?!
Let alone try using Dreamweaver without a two button mouse or even Photoshop and Illustrator. Yeah yeah you can use ctrl but speed and efficiency.. I mean... why NOT do that if you don't have to? And the entire production department at one of my clients, a sea of G4s (50+) all have 1.25 or 1.42 G4 DPs, they have to go out and buy all new mice. I was shown this back room where they just toss the Apple mice into a box of tangled wires and clear plastic. The head IT guy mumbled "worthless."
Jobs, get over it, MAKE A TWO BUTTON MOUSE!!!
PS Gee, do you think Pixar users are using one button mice. NO!!!
Apple's gotta pull it's head out. Especially it's nuts, I use contextual menus in Final Cut Pro all the time... a high end program MADE BY APPLE! Yet they don't offer a mouse to support their own program?!? Let alone their OS?!? What planet is Apple on anyways?!
Let alone try using Dreamweaver without a two button mouse or even Photoshop and Illustrator. Yeah yeah you can use ctrl but speed and efficiency.. I mean... why NOT do that if you don't have to? And the entire production department at one of my clients, a sea of G4s (50+) all have 1.25 or 1.42 G4 DPs, they have to go out and buy all new mice. I was shown this back room where they just toss the Apple mice into a box of tangled wires and clear plastic. The head IT guy mumbled "worthless."
Jobs, get over it, MAKE A TWO BUTTON MOUSE!!!
PS Gee, do you think Pixar users are using one button mice. NO!!!
I agree with 99% of the posts that the one button mouse is a bad move. I don't think that it is worthless, because it is wireless, which is really nice for those who have not used one. I was contemplating buying the an apple wireless mouse if it had 3 buttons, but since this one doesn't, well I am not going to buy it. I need to get a 3 button mouse to go with my dual G5, apple could have made another 70 bucks off of me, but now, I'll send 25 bucks and buy a logitech wired.
well, it's nice to know that some people *never* change.
I've seen several discussions come to bear on this site about mice, and every single time, it turns into a multi-page debate about 1 vs 2 vs 10 buttons + a scroll wheel.
it's really kind of sad. especially when people get so mad at each other over all of it.
that said, i use a 1 button mouse, would love a two button mouse, and hope that apple never makes a 2 button the standard, but perhaps a bto.
as it's been said, *most* users (i think people on this forum tend to be a little bit elitist in their thinking of the *average* computer user) *do* get confused using windows with 2 buttons. well, maybe i should say 80% of the people over 20, 20% of the people under 20. seriously.
but everyone assumes that everyone else is just like them, so 2 buttons can't possibly be confusing. i mean, why would it be confusing?? two buttons, two functions.
blah blah blah.
bto... that's all i have to say.
other than please stop the whole *down with apple!! they screwed me with a one button mouse!* posts. if it's that much trouble, as i've said before, i'd be willing to take any apple optical mouse off of someone's hands, and i'd even be willing to do it for free...
matt
I've seen several discussions come to bear on this site about mice, and every single time, it turns into a multi-page debate about 1 vs 2 vs 10 buttons + a scroll wheel.
it's really kind of sad. especially when people get so mad at each other over all of it.
that said, i use a 1 button mouse, would love a two button mouse, and hope that apple never makes a 2 button the standard, but perhaps a bto.
as it's been said, *most* users (i think people on this forum tend to be a little bit elitist in their thinking of the *average* computer user) *do* get confused using windows with 2 buttons. well, maybe i should say 80% of the people over 20, 20% of the people under 20. seriously.
but everyone assumes that everyone else is just like them, so 2 buttons can't possibly be confusing. i mean, why would it be confusing?? two buttons, two functions.
blah blah blah.
bto... that's all i have to say.
other than please stop the whole *down with apple!! they screwed me with a one button mouse!* posts. if it's that much trouble, as i've said before, i'd be willing to take any apple optical mouse off of someone's hands, and i'd even be willing to do it for free...
matt
i think its hilarous that app-hole is renowned for their inovative styles and innovations, and STILL cant get something as simple as a mouse design right!
whats makes it that much more frustrating is that app-hole has to inovate NOTHING! we would be happy if they ripped of someone elses 2+, scroll wheel design. suspply the demand, or watch the dollars go elsewhere
whats makes it that much more frustrating is that app-hole has to inovate NOTHING! we would be happy if they ripped of someone elses 2+, scroll wheel design. suspply the demand, or watch the dollars go elsewhere
Originally posted by agreenster
Well, I guess Apple just doesnt want the mouse to sell.
hahaha if apple wanted to see how poorly a product of theirs can do, then let the games begin.
Biggest pile of crap EVER!
A PowerBook G5 is beyond their control. Adding a scroll wheel and a second button is not. It just takes someone, Jobs?, to stop being an *** about it.
Originally posted by simX
Blah, blah, blah, no multiple buttons, no scroll wheel, blah, blah, blah.
Would you guys like to complain about the lack of a PowerBook G5 in here, too?
NEXT.
A PowerBook G5 is beyond their control. Adding a scroll wheel and a second button is not. It just takes someone, Jobs?, to stop being an *** about it.
FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY !
As soon as BT was announced I was ready for BT accessories, including m/k. I hate wire, hell to wires !!!!!! Got to believe I have to wait 2 Apple weeks (undefined) for their availability.
Kind of funny, that to me is the most exciting thing of the expo !
ciaooooooo
As soon as BT was announced I was ready for BT accessories, including m/k. I hate wire, hell to wires !!!!!! Got to believe I have to wait 2 Apple weeks (undefined) for their availability.
Kind of funny, that to me is the most exciting thing of the expo !
ciaooooooo
Today we have the options of buying either a wired or wireless version of the Apple Mouse & Keyboard. Both are white and match the iBook/iMacs perfectly.
I predict that fairly soon we will see the return of the Apple Pro Mouse & Keyboard-line, both wireless, that match the silver/metallic looks of the new Power Mac and the Powerbooks. Also soon we will se the demise of the wired Apple Mouse & Keyboard making them all Bluetooth wireless.
I predict that fairly soon we will see the return of the Apple Pro Mouse & Keyboard-line, both wireless, that match the silver/metallic looks of the new Power Mac and the Powerbooks. Also soon we will se the demise of the wired Apple Mouse & Keyboard making them all Bluetooth wireless.
Nothing on offer
The basic problem is that the new peripherals offer no compelling reason to buy. Wireless is nice, but not particualrly necessary, surely, unless you plan waving your input devices around the room. Otherwise, they're just the same as the included peripherals. $140 for the pair, plus say $40 to include bluetooth on your desktop? Let's face it, wires aren't that much of a pain for something that just sits on the desk surface. I was hoping Apple would make use of their patent for a mouse with a horizontal (iPod like) jog dial - that might give a reason to buy.
The basic problem is that the new peripherals offer no compelling reason to buy. Wireless is nice, but not particualrly necessary, surely, unless you plan waving your input devices around the room. Otherwise, they're just the same as the included peripherals. $140 for the pair, plus say $40 to include bluetooth on your desktop? Let's face it, wires aren't that much of a pain for something that just sits on the desk surface. I was hoping Apple would make use of their patent for a mouse with a horizontal (iPod like) jog dial - that might give a reason to buy.
big deal
It is only a mouse get over it if you dont like the free mouse buy a different one this is suitible for most people. i have both mice and prefer the single button because of all the extra crap gets in the way. for the pro users they're going to go buy an expensive supermouse anyhow. if you dont like the "free" (with purchase) offering from Apple do what you should do support the compitition and buy a better one. The multi button scroll wheel mice that come will dells, gateways, etc are crap and are mostly replaced anyhow. just get over the freaking mouse its only a mouse and if its not the best mouse out there for you get something else. But the real question of the day is why can't you buy the new mouse/keyboard when you purchase a new machine? if i wanted to sidegrade to the new board/mouse for the extra 15 bucks or whatever i should be able to instead of being sent two.
It is only a mouse get over it if you dont like the free mouse buy a different one this is suitible for most people. i have both mice and prefer the single button because of all the extra crap gets in the way. for the pro users they're going to go buy an expensive supermouse anyhow. if you dont like the "free" (with purchase) offering from Apple do what you should do support the compitition and buy a better one. The multi button scroll wheel mice that come will dells, gateways, etc are crap and are mostly replaced anyhow. just get over the freaking mouse its only a mouse and if its not the best mouse out there for you get something else. But the real question of the day is why can't you buy the new mouse/keyboard when you purchase a new machine? if i wanted to sidegrade to the new board/mouse for the extra 15 bucks or whatever i should be able to instead of being sent two.
From the 100% users out there...
I had to post on this one (this is my first post on the forum)...
Flame me if you want, but I have to take stand on the soap box and say this...
I'm a photographer and a graphic designer. I've been an art director for ad agencies for more than 10 years. I have a Kensington mouse that I use on my PowerBook (only because the Apple mouse is a little too expensive, if any of you that don't use yours, please send one to me!) that has two buttons and the scrolling wheel and I use only one button. ALL my mac friends that also work on ad agencies, graphic design companies or are photographers use the Apple mouse. Today I asked 18 of them about the possibility of having a two buttoned mouse only to hear the answer "Why would I want that? I wouldn't use the other button anyway..."
So I guess that it's not as you all are bashing here. Not everybody (not even the majority, for that fact) wants a two button/scrolling wheel mouse. Might be the majority of the people that reads macrumors everyday, but from all the people that I know that work all day long in programs like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Quark and OSX, nobody cares about that. They were all really excited about the wireless mouse also.
Again, flame me as much as you want, but just because you really think that everybody wants a two button mouse, it won't make that become a reality. It might make you be considered crazy or fascist thou! LOL LOL LOL
(coming down from the soap box...)
I had to post on this one (this is my first post on the forum)...
Flame me if you want, but I have to take stand on the soap box and say this...
I'm a photographer and a graphic designer. I've been an art director for ad agencies for more than 10 years. I have a Kensington mouse that I use on my PowerBook (only because the Apple mouse is a little too expensive, if any of you that don't use yours, please send one to me!) that has two buttons and the scrolling wheel and I use only one button. ALL my mac friends that also work on ad agencies, graphic design companies or are photographers use the Apple mouse. Today I asked 18 of them about the possibility of having a two buttoned mouse only to hear the answer "Why would I want that? I wouldn't use the other button anyway..."
So I guess that it's not as you all are bashing here. Not everybody (not even the majority, for that fact) wants a two button/scrolling wheel mouse. Might be the majority of the people that reads macrumors everyday, but from all the people that I know that work all day long in programs like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Quark and OSX, nobody cares about that. They were all really excited about the wireless mouse also.
Again, flame me as much as you want, but just because you really think that everybody wants a two button mouse, it won't make that become a reality. It might make you be considered crazy or fascist thou! LOL LOL LOL
(coming down from the soap box...)
you're right, daschund!
i run a company for gfx- and vfx-design and i do not see how a two button mouse will make our projects more creative.
maybe there are some advantages when you use to do two-button-mouses, but for 8 years of mac-using i have never thought about buying a scroll-wheel-two-or-three-button-mouse.
but then, a little bit more innovation from apple could be cool: perhaps there is more than two, three buttons or scroll wheels - it's time that apple should think different again!
.a
i run a company for gfx- and vfx-design and i do not see how a two button mouse will make our projects more creative.
maybe there are some advantages when you use to do two-button-mouses, but for 8 years of mac-using i have never thought about buying a scroll-wheel-two-or-three-button-mouse.
but then, a little bit more innovation from apple could be cool: perhaps there is more than two, three buttons or scroll wheels - it's time that apple should think different again!
.a
I don't really understand the problem with a high-quality simple mouse as standard config on Apple machines.
When you buy a new PC you get some crap generic mouse that may have a 2 buttons a scroll wheel, but that is lightweight and will break within a few months.
Anyone who is at all serious about computers should NOT be sticking to the OEM Mice/Keyboards, whether it be PC or Mac.
I have quite happily been enjoying my Wireless, 7 Buttons and wheel, rechargeable on its own dock Logitech MX700. Show me a Dell that comes with a comparable mouse as standard equipment then I might be a little displeased with Apple.
When you buy a new PC you get some crap generic mouse that may have a 2 buttons a scroll wheel, but that is lightweight and will break within a few months.
Anyone who is at all serious about computers should NOT be sticking to the OEM Mice/Keyboards, whether it be PC or Mac.
I have quite happily been enjoying my Wireless, 7 Buttons and wheel, rechargeable on its own dock Logitech MX700. Show me a Dell that comes with a comparable mouse as standard equipment then I might be a little displeased with Apple.
Originally posted by snahabed One might say, "but Windows uses right clicks." Mac OS has used them just as much for many years now. Not OS 6 necessarily, but we arent on OS 6 anymore. One button made sense THEN. Not now.
Apple is being completely stubborn and moronic on this issue. Either improve this stuff or at least dont REQUIRE us to buy it with a system! Pretty please, that is
Amen. Apple blew it here. If they offered a *choice* of this and a two-button scrolling mouse, then ok, but this is the last vestige of NIH syndrome, and it's gotta go. And all the sleek lucite in the world isn't going to change this.
C'mon, Apple. Do what you do best - take the current mouse offering and *improve* on it. Maybe put a track pad where the wheel should be. Eliminate all moving parts. Do something worthy of accompanying a G5.
As it stands, you know the "pros" are gonna dump your mouse and replace it with either a Logitech or a Microsoft model. Do you really believe an MS logo in the hands of your top-level Mac users is a smart strategy?
Seriously. Get a clue and dump the NIH mentality...