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Trump is more disruptive than anyone in Silicon Valley. He's hacking the entire Federal Government! When Trump is president, it'll be a bull in a china shop killing off Federal programs and prosecuting career con artists just like Steve returning to Apple.
More like he'll do something stupid like bombing Iran to protect his precious Israel then waste lives plus money on wars.
 
Do you guys remember?

There was a time only a few years ago when people also wrongfully/ignorantly hated Apple as well (during the Android wars) and then they became super successful because of that "negative" publicity.

What? When they were selling millions of phones and tablets, making billions of dollars per quarter? Yeah, those were dark days for Apple.
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More like he'll do something stupid like bombing Iran to protect his precious Israel then waste lives plus money on wars.

He'll probably nuke Birmingham. Buncha Muslims there, I hear.
 
After his return and second success, the fare weather Berkeley folk came calling again. However, he kicked them to the street. Was told one house cleaning act Steve did with Apple was he fired anyone with a Psych or related degree from Berkeley. Steve dies, liberals come calling again and the new king is more receptive. The back hall politics in Cupertino are fascinating.
I don't know about psychology, but I've taken some politically-related humanities classes at Berkeley. Some are good, but a lot are bad. In the bad ones, the professor is close-minded and arrogant, and he'll rant about some buzzword like "cultural appropriation" while a bunch of CS students, half of them from China or neighboring nations, who are just taking that class as a requirement and don't care are rolling their eyes. Nobody tries to raise a hand and disagree with the professor because they don't care and/or don't want to get on his bad side. It's not just political issues but any kind of opinion, whether the professor is liberal or conservative (usually liberal). You can't have one. They'll teach a wishy-washy humanities subject like it's proof-based math, imposing their theories of linguistics or philosophy or whatever the class is about. Everyone gives up quickly and sleeps during discussion. I try to make the best of it and end up being the only one to raise my hand while the poor GSI stands there awkwardly, awaiting a response to a question.

Oh, and the American Cultures (abbreviated "AC") classes are next level s***. Total political brainwashing. Now I can finally relate to that one Pink Floyd song...

I came into Berkeley eager to study humanities in addition to CS, but they were so disappointing that I've given up on taking anything non-technical besides language classes. **** those Seven Course Breadth classes, especially the AC requirement. So glad I'm done with that crap and can just take what I want to take now.

Those professors might've been students around Steve Jobs's time. Maybe that's why he hated them. I don't blame him. Personally, I hope I can donate to the UC some day, and I'll make sure the money only goes to STEM... and Armenian.
 
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Nope, this didn't "just happen" to the GOP, they got exactly what they deserved - they've been promoting hatred and intolerance for years; Trump just picked up the banner and ran with it. The GOP has only themselves to blame.

I can't disagree. They're getting a hard lesson in how you can't use fiery rhetoric to rile up your voter base without paying some severe consequences in the long run.
 
Nope, this didn't "just happen" to the GOP, they got exactly what they deserved - they've been promoting hatred and intolerance for years; Trump just picked up the banner and ran with it. The GOP has only themselves to blame.
Trump is different...
Trump: Ban on Muslim immigrants because they're Muslim. Pledge to eliminate Arabs in opposition to Israel. Plus some really unfair remarks about Mexicans.
Democrats: Systematic and government-imposed discrimination against whites and eastern Asians (Affirmative Action) because they're "over-represented" in stuff.
Republicans: Ban on illegal immigrants because they're breaking the law. Maybe some implied disapproval of certain groups but nothing official.
 
Apparently Apple's commitment to diversity, inclusion, and respect for people ends when they don't like your politics... Good to know.... smh...
Good to know? How much money do you personally donate to organizations you strongly oppose?

Apple has elected NOT TO GIVE FREE MONEY TO THE GOP. How does that translate to Apple being mean in any way? Donald Trump has championed the causes of bigotry and xenophobia, becoming the darling of white supremacists everywhere (yes, sure, a lot of other stupid people like him too - sadly, half the population is of below average IQ; explains his popularity). Deciding NOT to give FREE MONEY to support someone who is actively fighting against "diversity, inclusion, and respect" sounds like an extremely good move on Apple's part. And it takes a bit of courage, on Apple's part, to take positions like this, and like standing up against the FBI when then wanted tools that would make spying on citizens easier. I'm extremely happy to have Tim Cook at the helm of Apple, doing what he has been doing.
 
Trump is disruptive to the system.
Hitler was also disruptive to the system, and got a groundswell of support from disenchanted citizens who ate up his nationalistic rants and believed he'd make Germany great again. Being "disruptive to the system" in and of itself is not automatically a good thing. It is merely one more tool, and can be used for good or bad.
 
Trump has previously singled out Apple concerning bring jobs back to the U.S. The board of directors ultimately make theses decisions, not Tim Cook. So I imagine it's really all about economic self interest and not these political stances having to do with Apple's social conscious.

Also, isn't Al Gore still on the Apple board of directors.
 
^ This.

If you are against illegal immigration, you are somehow labeled racist.

I don't think it's that some people assume being against illegal immigration is racist, as much as how illegal immigration is being used as an excuse to forward some pretty unsavory asides that couldn't previously be aired in public.

Look at it this way, our illegal immigration population exploded during the 2000's. Throughout that decade, no one really gave much of a damn about it. It wasn't a huge political issue in Washington, wasn't discussed much on messageboards. No one gave a damn.

...then sudden everyone did. And now we have whole groups of people screaming that our illegal immigrants are an unnecessary burden that's destroying the country, and blah blah blah. Why didn't they care before? Why do they care so greatly now, especially when you consider that our illegal population has shrunk by 1 million+ over the last 5-6 years, and we're now enjoying negative illegal population growth (ie more people are leaving or being deported than there are coming in)?

From a sidelong glance, it seems that illegal immigration is being used as a dogwhistle to justify buckling down on immigration in general.
 
Apparently Apple's commitment to diversity, inclusion, and respect for people ends when they don't like your politics... Good to know.... smh...

Wanting to ban Muslim immigrants from entering our supposedly pluralistic republic does not count as a political premise. Especially one worthy to be considered Made-in-America jurisprudence. Even Jim Crow is more egalitarian and compromising than what Trump is proposing.

Fact is, we have the Constituton, which includes the Bill of Rights. We can also find pretty good philosophical widsom in the Declaration of Independence and at the base of the Statue of Liberty. I think these ideas have served this republic rather well for the last couple hundred years and I suspect will continue to do so in the future. Islamic terrorism is a credible threat, but the boogeymen are already here. Natural born demagogues like Trump, and sure, even Hillary, are responsible for taking what's left of our Constitution and making it as relevant as yearly Android updates.
 
Look at it this way, our illegal immigration population exploded during the 2000's. Throughout that decade, no one really gave much of a damn about it. It wasn't a huge political issue in Washington, wasn't discussed much on messageboards. No one gave a damn.

Maybe you were not paying attention to it, and certainly Washington (home of the "Cheap Labor Express" and "New Socialism Voter Express") weren't trying to make a big deal out of it. But it certainly was an issue. I guess you don't remember when conservatives flooded Congress with calls to stop GWB's amnesty program.
 
Hitler was also disruptive to the system, and got a groundswell of support from disenchanted citizens who ate up his nationalistic rants and believed he'd make Germany great again. Being "disruptive to the system" in and of itself is not automatically a good thing. It is merely one more tool, and can be used for good or bad.
To those that think Trump is a fascist is reflection of those who accuse him. The guy is the biggest patriot president since Reagan. Only those who want to see the USA decline in influence under the banner of tolerance and acceptance fights Trump.

Globalists, like Cook, have a lot to loose with President Trump supporting domestic manufacturing. This is just a product margin move that Cook knows well. He'll lip service "rights" when it only contribute to the bottom line.
 
Many camps believe Jobs became a closet conservative after he was kicked out of Apple for his involvement with the Berkeley psych / Tim Leary community. Supposedly, the whole "Evangelist" job title was an attempt to displace organized religion with technology. After Apple kicked out Steve, Berkeley did not return his calls. He returned to his Buddist roots to start NeXT and later revive Apple.

After his return and second success, the fare weather Berkeley folk came calling again. However, he kicked them to the street. Was told one house cleaning act Steve did with Apple was he fired anyone with a Psych or related degree from Berkeley. Steve dies, liberals come calling again and the new king is more receptive. The back hall politics in Cupertino are fascinating.

Trump is more disruptive than anyone in Silicon Valley. He's hacking the entire Federal Government! When Trump is president, it'll be a bull in a china shop killing off Federal programs and prosecuting career con artists just like Steve returning to Apple.

This.

Steve was a conservative at heart and was raised by conservative parents.

Even his sense of service to customers was one of figuring out what conservative people want out of their products which is why even old people famously use Apple products without needing to learn much about them.

And being conservative is actually about family and the nuclear family.

After all the studying I did in psychology and sociology in the liberal sense, I came to the conclusion that it takes a village to raise a child and that the family unit is the greatest asset to America.

Liberal policies are not that smart or forward-looking because they essentially destroy the future for families.

As someone who dates girls 18-22 I have a lot of context to understand the true depth of liberal corruption. This newest generation now coming up is messed up beyond belief.

Along with the internet, liberal theories have destroyed the concept of marriage and the sanctity of the family unit in exchange for pandering to special interest groups.

Everything in politics is symbolic and causes chain-reactons in our youth, and this is the end result. The destruction of the family unit. There is no logical reason for a normal smart person in 2016 to get married and have a child, to bring a child into this corrupt society.

So how is destroying the family "smart" or forward thinking? Liberals don't actually think far ahead, they just do what is correct/incorrect on paper, at face value, but don't analyze the trade-offs and consequences of their sociological influence on a macro scale.
 
Maybe you were not paying attention to it, and certainly Washington (home of the "Cheap Labor Express" and "New Socialism Voter Express") weren't trying to make a big deal out of it. But it certainly was an issue. I guess you don't remember when conservatives flooded Congress with calls to stop GWB's amnesty program.

True. Though on that same note, it wasn't that big of a populist issue during it's worst moment. It's only now, when things are on a slight reverse course, that it became such a HUGE DEAL!

Now we're talking about people supporting concentrated efforts to round up our 11 million+ illegal immigration population, and build a wall. To me, it's kinda like getting 2 ton iron doors installed on your barn 5 years after the cows bolted.
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Steve was a conservative at heart and was raised by conservative parents.

Yeah, an acid dropping ex-hippie fad diet chasing pro-gay supporting Buddhist born of an Syrian immigrant who gave him up for adoption is practically the very picture of traditional American values.
 
Cook - your hands are full already. Get your eyes back on the ball.

MR - hire someone with writing skills to mentor your people. It's long past due.
 
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According to Mr. Isaacson, Jobs "stressed the need for more trained engineers and suggested that any foreign students who earned an engineering degree in the U.S. should be given a visa to stay in the country." The president reportedly replied that this would have to await broader immigration reform, which he said he was unable to accomplish.
Full story: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203687504577003763659779448

Jobs was very much pro-immigration. And most likely someone which Trump would accuse of being biased, given that his father came from Syria.
 
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