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I want people to be afraid of Trump, and I WANT him to call out the retards in the media and the liberal press and to criticize the status quo because those retards are the ones that let this country fall in less than a decade.

You're working from the assumption that we live in a falling country. We don't. All things considered, we've weathered ourselves through far more dire times.

The problem with America right now is that for the last 20 odd years, we've been quite comfortable. Now that we're finding ourselves in a somewhat uncomfortable position, we're treating it as the end of the world, looking for someone to blame now that we've been suddenly made aware that we live in a very large world, and that there are dire consequences for our actions.

Though as for what Trump will be capable of doing? We're talking about a man who has never once been questioned, who has always set at the top of his little empire. I won't dispute his solid amount of business acumen. But he no experience, no notion of what to expect when he's trust into the world of politics. Both parties will be out to block his every move. Every business will rally against him if they find his policies to run counter to their bottom line. Every newspaper will be out criticizing every misstep he makes. Every other politician will laugh in his face if he plays the tough guy act with them. He will be belittled by some, ignored by others, scrutinized by all every day of every year he's in office, and there isn't a damn thing he could about it, because his powers are limited by the Constitution.

He'll find very quickly that running the government isn't all like running a business. He's not just dealing with contractors, marketers, and real estate sharks that he can lord over, fire, or cheat. He's dealing with EVERYONE, and they won't accept "because I'm Trump" as an answer.

I don't think he has the experience or the maturity to handle it.
 
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Its funny. Clinton says she supports gay rights while taking in tens of millions of dollars from countries that execute gays. Never heard Trump say he wants to execute gays. In fact he has called this out.
Trump has business dealings in the Middle East that he earns money from too.

Since the Pulse Nightclub shooting there has been all this hand wringing the last week trying to portray Trump as some kind of better friend to the gay community in order to garner votes....and it's desperate and laughable. He has been out on the campaign trail for a year and not only hasn't been too talkative about the gay community, but he's even indicated that he would appoint judges that would be against marraige equality. So no...not buying it.
 
I'm pretty sure Hilary has more money than you.

This might pass for a sensical retort if I was enamored with the full extent of Hillary's worth.

Clue: I'm not

The extent of my interest is who bought and paid for her, and who she owes favors to. Banks aren't giving her millions for a speech if the ROI wasn't damn good.
 
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This might pass for a sensical retort if I was enamored with the full extent of Hillary's worth.

Clue: I'm not

The extent of my interest is who bought and paid for her, and who she owes favors to. Banks aren't giving her millions for a speech if the ROI wasn't damn good.
Pff, you're just jelly that banks don't give you money. :rolleyes:
 
You're working from the assumption that we live in a falling country. We don't. All things considered, we've weathered ourselves through far more dire times.

The problem with America right now is that for the last 20 odd years, we've been quite comfortable. Now that we're finding ourselves in a somewhat uncomfortable position, we're treating it as the end of the world, looking for someone to blame now that we've been suddenly made aware that we live in a very large world, and that there are dire consequences for our actions.
He'll find very quickly that running the government isn't all like running a business. He's not just dealing with contractors, marketers, and real estate sharks that he can lord over, fire, or cheat. He's dealing with EVERYONE, and they won't accept "because I'm Trump" as an answer.

I don't think he has the experience or the maturity to handle it.
You have excellent points here. Consider how his rhetoric has changed from the beginning of his campaign until now.

We have been quite comfortable. The next step here, in our nation, is handling international acceptance. We've been a powerhouse for a very long time, and have lost traction as number 1 in economics and progressivism for the sake of advancing humanity (think the impact of the Brexit, how the EU is handling migrant issues, India's firm stance with Apple on selling locally-made tech/goods). We need to be global partners.

He absolutely will learn that this country isn't like a traditional business. He's made a lot of business related mistakes... but thats why he has advisors, a cabinet, and two branches to balance his often radical approaches to "fixing," or, "adjusting," this country.

All in all, I think this is a great conversation, and I applaud you for being thoughtful. You've challenged me as well.

Theres a lot of problems... A lot of work... on any and/or all ends.
 
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Trump has business dealings in the Middle East that he earns money from too.

Since the Pulse Nightclub shooting there has been all this hand wringing the last week trying to portray Trump as some kind of better friend to the gay community in order to garner votes....and it's desperate and laughable. He has been out on the campaign trail for a year and not only hasn't been too talkative about the gay community, but he's even indicated that he would appoint judges that would be against marraige equality. So no...not buying it.
I don't think anybody who loves New York as much as Trump does would have major negative feelings towards the gay community. Quite honestly, why would he be "talkative," about the gay community? Don't we have our rights? I'm pretty damn happy where we are. He's also the only candidate that got justification in his views of weeding out ISIS from this event, while Hilary and Obama just aimed at gun control, a completely partisan issue, not focusing on the global crisis we're facing. That is one of his main points. He means to put a stop to this crap. He wants to clean up his home turf, and I don't blame him. I think he's an excellent ally.
 
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False on all accounts, (or at least thats not how I would choose to summarize what he is about)

If you are not informed or you have only heard about Trump from the media, watch this History channel documentary to catch up on why he has the perfect spirit to be our President.

Please stop posting nonsense about Trump until you have learned his long and brilliant story.

We would be lucky to have him serve us as president. He is a gift to this country and our only hope to turn things around.

This is the type of stuff that when people learn about Trump, it makes all you naysayers sound ignorant. Educate yourselves before you go on with your hateful tirades that only serves to bolster his following.

A gift to the country? Omg..wow. You just didn't drink the kool-aid, you jumped in and swam in it! To listen to you it sounds like a parody. Like something out of The Onion.

Or....this maybe:

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Trump is the exact opposite and symbolized the American Family
In what alternate universe was this? He's a cheating philanderer too.

And it's amusing that you think liberals are to blame for conservative divorces. There's some more of that "personal responsibility" that right wingers are famous for. Always blaming others for their problems. :rolleyes:
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I don't think anybody who loves New York as much as Trump does would have major negative feelings towards the gay community. Quite honestly, why would he be "talkative," about the gay community? Don't we have our rights? I'm pretty damn happy where we are. He's also the only candidate that got justification in his views of weeding out ISIS from this event, while Hilary and Obama just aimed at gun control, a completely partisan issue, not focusing on the global crisis we're facing. That is one of his main points. He means to put a stop to this crap. He wants to clean up his home turf, and I don't blame him. I think he's an excellent ally.
So he can be talkative about:

The Blacks
The Mexicans
Women
The Asians
And every other demographic group out there, but not the gays? Why not? Do we not matter too?

When a person doesn't talk about you, it is a sign at the regard they have for you. As in none. He didn't bother to pay a visit to Flint, Michigan either. Didn't really want to talk about it either. Meanwhile kids were being poisoned. Yeah, that's some leadership there.
 
We have been quite comfortable. The next step here, in our nation, is handling international acceptance. We've been a powerhouse for a very long time, and have lost traction as number 1 in economics and progressivism for the sake of advancing humanity (think the impact of the Brexit, how the EU is handling migrant issues, India's firm stance with Apple on selling locally-made tech/goods). We need to be global partners.

Obama has made some headway on the international reacceptance front. I don't we've quite regained our reputation as being the shining city on the hill as of yet, but progress has been made. For that to happen, we'll need to fix our **** at home.

With that in mind, I don't think we're suffering economically at the moment. The dollar has regained its value and then some, the stock market is quite healthy, and we're still the #1 economy in the world (though granted, it is a little slow at the moment). Though with the combined might of the EU being able to match us, and China barking at our heels, I do think we'll have to accept the very real possibility that our position as the sole world superpower might be coming to a close.

This is hardly the end of the world. We'll just have to become competitive again, exercise those muscles we've let atrophy over the years. We need to realize that our position as America The Exceptional is not a given, and we can't live off the accomplishments of our grandparents forever.

He absolutely will learn that this country isn't like a traditional business. He's made a lot of business related mistakes... but thats why he has advisors, a cabinet, and two branches to balance his often radical approaches to "fixing," or, "adjusting," this country.

Even in the worst case scenario that Trump hires a bunch of yes-men to steamroll his agenda through the government come hell or high water (which seems to be what some people believe he'll do...and they'll be disappointed), it won't be the end of the world. We'll just be looking at another 4+ years of a gridlocked government.

I think the answer to all our ills doesn't rely on who's our next president. Our choices at the moment aren't exactly confidence inspiring, no matter which side of the aisle you lean towards. What we need to do is get over our love of partisanship, realize that the greatest difference between our two parties are their interpretations on the Taxing and Spending Clause, and get to compromising for the greater good again, instead of putting the D's and R's ahead of America as a whole.
 
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Cue the conservaBorg online boileroom brats... as if Apple would have any appeal whatsoever to conservatives.

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He absolutely will learn that this country isn't like a traditional business. He's made a lot of business related mistakes... but thats why he has advisors, a cabinet, and two branches to balance his often radical approaches to "fixing," or, "adjusting," this country.
So who will suffer with his mistakes? Some of his advisers are crazier then loons. He has no clue about any of it yet he is going to fix it all by himself. I mean he knows more about war then the commanders according to himself. The people who know the least are absolutely sure they are experts on it. Fits trump to a tee.
 
Though the fact remains that while we never should've gone to Iraq to begin with, we still did, and there's nothing we can do to change that. Now it's also true that Obama shouldn't have pulled out of Iraq when he did, especially now that we've seen the consequences of the act.
We went into Iraq because president Bush and his cronies managed to divert a sufficient number of people's fear and anger towards Bin Laden and Al Qaeda into fear and anger towards Saddam Hussein (because people from the Middle East are pretty much interchangeable, right?). Hussein was clearly a bad guy, but he had nothing, _nothing_, to do with 9/11. Bin Laden and a handful of Saudi Arabians killed some 3000 Americans, and in response, President Bush... invaded an unrelated country on trumped-up charges (the intelligence community was telling the White House ahead of time that the evidence didn't support President Bush's claims), got 4,500 Americans killed (50% more than Bin Laden managed on 9/11, great job President Bush!), got another 30,000 or so Americans wounded (and not stubbed toes - a whole lot of limbs blown off and severe brain trauma), oh, and he also got well over 100,000 Iraqis killed (but they don't really count, right? because they attacked us on 9/11 - oh wait, that wasn't them - they hadn't done anything to us), as well as creating substantially more Middle East hatred of the US than there already was (that's not just a feels thing, it grows terrorists), helped create ISIS and destabilized the Middle East substantially more than it already was. Again, great job, former President Bush.

President Obama, on the other hand "pulled out of Iraq when he did" because doing so was required by an international treaty that the US was bound to ever since President Bush had signed it. So, in arguing that President Obama should have kept our forces in Iraq longer, you're recommending that he should have broken an international treaty signed by former President Bush. Is that really what you want? Or is it just easier to pave over these facts in order to blame President Obama for problems that President Bush created?
 
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I don't think anybody who loves New York as much as Trump does would have major negative feelings towards the gay community. Quite honestly, why would he be "talkative," about the gay community? Don't we have our rights? I'm pretty damn happy where we are. He's also the only candidate that got justification in his views of weeding out ISIS from this event, while Hilary and Obama just aimed at gun control, a completely partisan issue, not focusing on the global crisis we're facing. That is one of his main points. He means to put a stop to this crap. He wants to clean up his home turf, and I don't blame him. I think he's an excellent ally.

holy crap hes like the Milo Yiannopoulos of Macrumros!

Lmao liberal cucks you cant stop him! Its a gay guy saying it!!
 
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President Obama, on the other hand "pulled out of Iraq when he did" because doing so was required by an international treaty that the US was bound to ever since President Bush had signed it. So, in arguing that President Obama should have kept our forces in Iraq longer, you're recommending that he should have broken an international treaty signed by former President Bush. Is that really what you want? Or is it just easier to pave over these facts in order to blame President Obama for problems that President Bush created?

It wasn't due to any treaty, but rather an agreed upon date, determined by the standing Iraqi government. It was set under Bush, and happily obliged by Obama.

I don't blame Obama for not being able to divine the future, and see ISIS waiting in the wings. Though that said, the region was still far from stable, and he could've listened to his military advisers, and pushed to keep a small force in the country for the sake of security. ISIS still would've risen on the world stage regardless, but we could've been in a better position to deal with it.

Though the people claiming that Obama hasn't done anything to combat ISIS since is pure ignorance.
 
No I don't really judge people like that. All Im saying is that the scary thing is, these people share similar life outlooks to people who make the final choices in our media.

There isn't some committee out there that people vote and decide on what is good for our countries youth and what is moral and what is immoral and weather or not racial politics, the feminist agenda, extremist liberal theories and other complex issues are good to bombard our kids with.

Nobody ever agreed on this stuff, the world is split and there was never some sort of consensus after much deliberation and everyone agreed we should keep showing black men with white females in every single commercial to influence young girls into interracial sex.

They don't asses what is good for our country and work backwards to have the media fall in line with that thesis.

They asses what is making $$$ and work forwards to do as much as they can for profit and what they can get away with.

Its not a bunch of people who love America making these choices or the fathers of our sons and daughters.

On the contrary the people making these choices hate those American white males and their families.

So right now today if I had a problem with the way things are in the media, all I could do is 1) not watch, 2) convince other people not to watch. (an impossible mountain to climb and the jews know that, they count on that convenient paradigm)

Minorities continue to consume trash media and there will always be money in marketing to them. If you have a black guy and a white girl in an ad it will attract more attention and more money $ than some politically neutral casting.

Is it the right thing as far as society? is that what morals are best for America?

The answer is it doesnt matter, only profit and money does. We allow money to rule and dictate our society, not intelligent and influential leaders who care.

Please explain the bolded part? I'm a little confused because it reads like You have a problem with Human interpersonal relationships because their skin colour happens to be different?
 
You're working from the assumption that we live in a falling country. We don't. All things considered, we've weathered ourselves through far more dire times.

I think in the aspects of lifestyle, quality of life, and overall public relations are at an all time low. Compared to like lets say the 60s or something where you can just walk down the street, tip your fedora and be like "good day" to some stranger. And its also about identity, about who we are, and Nationalistic interconnectedness of goodwill. Like who are we anymore?

This also has to do with over population. People always say oh "America was founded on immigrants" but back then there were only 30 million people in America. They built this country now there is 300 million, reaping those rewards from back then.

So this is a population issue as well, 30 million vs 300 million.

Who is to decide what is "fair" in our 2016 capitalist society? The money driven media?? Tim Cook? lol


The problem with America right now is that for the last 20 odd years, we've been quite comfortable. Now that we're finding ourselves in a somewhat uncomfortable position, we're treating it as the end of the world, looking for someone to blame now that we've been suddenly made aware that we live in a very large world, and that there are dire consequences for our actions.

And why shouldnt we continue to be comfortable? We BUILT this country/civilization, why should we have our quality of life diminished. I cant even trust to get married? Why would you say there should be consequences? We should respect and love one another, not fight amongst each other. And encourage education and good will in our communities, not be divided with hate by the flame-bait media.

Though as for what Trump will be capable of doing? We're talking about a man who has never once been questioned, who has always set at the top of his little empire. I won't dispute his solid amount of business acumen. But he no experience, no notion of what to expect when he's trust into the world of politics. Both parties will be out to block his every move. Every business will rally against him if they find his policies to run counter to their bottom line. Every newspaper will be out criticizing every misstep he makes. Every other politician will laugh in his face if he plays the tough guy act with them. He will be belittled by some, ignored by others, scrutinized by all every day of every year he's in office, and there isn't a damn thing he could about it, because his powers are limited by the Constitution.

Again if you watch that video you would know the response to that. Trump as a leader (who wrote the Art of the Deal) knows that success comes from surrounding yourself with the right people. Not politicians. He has a unique no-nonsense approach and he can clear out the ineffective career political figures and his capacity comes from being and extremely effective communicator, that you cannot deny he is.

And its not even so much about his function but his symbol. Its about bringing respect back around to the people who are the backbone of this country and have morals and family values that keep this country from turning into a Eurotrash style total cultural meltdown and Im tired of the media trying to manipulate our daughters to be passive aggressive against us and "turn out" our women with feminist and anti-white male agendas to make us seem less "cool" to our own women. Like targeting their malleability of character to symbolically position them against us instead of being with us.

So its more stuff like that where he is effective. Bringing American pride, which is much needed and long overdue after the nation dividing tragedy that was the Obama era.


He'll find very quickly that running the government isn't all like running a business. He's not just dealing with contractors, marketers, and real estate sharks that he can lord over, fire, or cheat. He's dealing with EVERYONE, and they won't accept "because I'm Trump" as an answer.

Again, if you watched that video, you would understand that cant be further from the truth he would probably be most likely to charm them with his charisma in person, you're talking about a guy who was King of NY at the height of 80s elegance and wined and dined with all the elite people of the world for a long time. Youre telling me that guy doesnt know how to interact with fancy world leaders? This guy was a superstar in that realm, even being featured in the defining book of the whole period American Psycho as being Patrick Batemans fixation as being the ultimate height of elegance and splendor.

Do you honestly think he is as simple as the doofus portrayed in the media?


I don't think he has the experience or the maturity to handle it.
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You really should watch that History channel video.
 
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Please explain the bolded part? I'm a little confused because it reads like You have a problem with Human interpersonal relationships because their skin colour happens to be different?
You're going to have to help us out here: what bolded part? This thread is nine pages long. The ninth page, where your comment has arrived, does not appear to have any bolded text. Neither does the original article. So, what are you referring to and whom are you trying to address?
 
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You really should watch that History channel video.

Trump is a joke. You think a successful business person will make him. Successful leader of a country?

If you believe that, you are in for a rude awkening.

The USA IS NOT. A. BUSINESS.
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You're going to have to help us out here: what bolded part? This thread is nine pages long. The ninth page, where your comment has arrived, does not appear to have any bolded text. Neither does the original article. So, what are you referring to and whom are you trying to address?


In his post Bobby Corwen said the following: "...Nobody ever agreed on this stuff, the world is split and there was never some sort of consensus after much deliberation and everyone agreed we should keep showing black men with white females in every single commercial to influence young girls into interracial sex...."

 
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Please explain the bolded part? I'm a little confused because it reads like You have a problem with Human interpersonal relationships because their skin colour happens to be different?

No not at all. That was rather one example of many varying things on the liberal agenda. But I was more concerned with the rate and consistency of pattern of pairing pretty white women as sex symbols for minorities almost exclusively to the point where being that vs seeing a white male with another race is almost 10:1 in ratio of how its always white women targeted.

There are many such studies on this you can look them up if you want to look further into it. Also a utility of the Jewish world view vs the Christian white male world view being shoved down our throats and on our impressionable youth.

Question for you:

Who do you think has more influence over the average children and teens mental development?

Social media/TV/Movies/Music?

or

Mom and dad?
 
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I believe in the balance between democrats and republicans and I think its bad to go to far in any one direction. The balance is really really important.

With most choice issues Im actually on the liberal side and they are smart about many things, but they take that righteousness and go too far left to the noticeable and measurable detriment of society. Im pro choice, pro gay, pro every thing that is true equality and freedom. But when people start being ANTI-white just to make themselves feel better about themselves, thats where I draw the line.

So when there is no balance anymore, and things are too far left, its time to swing the pendulum back boyos!

And thats whats happening! You will see Trump win a landslide victory like none before in recent history!!
 
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No not at all. That was rather one example of many varying things on the liberal agenda. But I was more concerned with the rate and consistency of pattern of pairing pretty white women as sex symbols for minorities almost exclusively to the point where being that vs seeing a white male with another race is almost 10:1 in ratio of how its always white women targeted.

There are many such studies on this you can look them up if you want to look further into it. Also a utility of the Jewish world view vs the Christian white male world view being shoved down our throats and on our impressionable youth.

Question for you:

Who do you think has more influence over the average children and teens mental development?

Social media/TV/Movies/Music?

or

Mom and dad?

The greatest influence in a child's life will always be their parents.

I can guarantee you remember more things your parents or elders said to you, than commercials you've seen over the course of your life.
 
When it comes to Trump, it's no longer just a political disagreement. The man is at best an ignorant bafoon.
Yet 14 million people in the primaries voted for him. He may be a bit of a loose cannon and a buffoon, but he is where he is because due political process has put him there, while all the other umpteen contenders for the republican nomination were defeated and dropped out, one by one. You could argue he has masterfully tapped into the electorate's discontent with the status quo.

I understand Tim, being from a minority himself, is falling over himself to be politically correct and get on the Trump-bashing bandwagon. He has most likely calculated to be gaining more friends than alienating people with his very public stance of withholding cash and technology from the GOP convention.

On the one hand, one could argue he is perfectly within his right to publicly back the candidate of his choice, but with his sizeable influence and power, a case could be made that he's subtly but unduly subverting the political process.

While Tim presumably has his hands full running Apple (what with an overflowing roster of Fall product releases, and even more importantly, the relentless pressures of keeping the company at its current market position through real innovation and product refinement), we will all individually evaluate both (or all three, as that now seems a distinct possibility) candidates and come to our own conclusions about who we think would be our best choice as commander in chief, and ultimately come November, we collectively will decide who occupies the white house for the next four years, and even more importantly, who controls the House and Senate.
 
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Trump talks at the level of a 10 year old, why? He is targeting the simpletons who are too dumb to realise that their fears and prejudices are being manipulated to control them. Be wary of people and parties who rally support in this fashion, we should all know where it leads.
 
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