Apple Working on AR/VR Headset With 8K Displays and No Smartphone or Computer Tether

[Baymowe335]

Android and apple could completely switch their market share, and I still would get an Android. This is because I, nor the majority of users, care about the finances of a company, over the usefulness of it's products. Constantly going on and on, and on about how profitable apple is, just sounds so corny from a consumer. Wouldn't it be better to brag about features, software, hardware, etc, instead of how much money a company makes? People who repeat over and over about profits seem to be more concerned with that, than fixing it's product lines, or actually innovating.

Apple does innovate in its silicon, FaceID, AirPods, custom chips like W1, Watch, support, and software implementation. You just don’t value it and/or want to recognize the innovation and features. Fine, but don’t project your experience to the larger reality that Apple products are loved more than ever.

The profitability just speaks to consumers seeing the value on a large scale and your anecdotal experience doesn’t matter.

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No offense to you and @Baymowe335 .... but you gotta admit you guys look like Apple cheerleaders, shouting out cheers for Apple with pom poms and the whole 9 yards.


The fact that you have said the word "profit" 447 times, which is about 1 out of every 5 comments you have posted


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and this is about 1 out of every 10 posts, running at about 128 times said the word profit/profitable

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It just seems very odd to bring it up in every thread when it doesn't really have much to do with the topic at hand. It comes off as deflection or as defending shortcomings. But I honestly don't want to get off topic anymore. Back to how Apple could possibly pull off 8K x2, when 1080p - 2k/4K can be problematic/impossible for current Apple hardware, and definitely impossible @ 90fps?

It’s not odd. I own thousands of shares and the profitability is hugely important to me, but also confirms the strategy.

I think great products and profit go hand and hand. You guys think Apple produces overpriced junk and they just keep getting lucky or something.

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

The Apple electric car project would probably take the cake.

Why? The technology required for that is already here.

 

[Abazigal]

But I honestly don't want to get off topic anymore. Back to how Apple could possibly pull off 8K x2, when 1080p - 2k/4K can be problematic/impossible for current Apple hardware, and definitely impossible @ 90fps?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-develop-displays-to-replace-samsung-screens

Apple is rumoured to be researching micro-LED displays. Your guess is as good as mine, but if anyone can get it done, it's a company who controls both the hardware and the software. AKA Apple.

It just seems very odd to bring it up in every thread when it doesn't really have much to do with the topic at hand.

The context is that people seem all too eager to claim that Apple is dead just because.

I have noted your feedback, and I will do my best not to bring up profits any more in this thread, but my point still stands. If Apple is indeed losing the plot as so many people here claim, then nobody should be buying their products. But the fact that their products are indeed selling, including much-maligned products such as the AirPods (remember the uproar surrounding them last year?) suggest that the critics here might be suffering from some sort of cognitive bias. And even when Apple does well (and I expect Apple to announce yet another quarter of improved revenues during their earnings call next week), it is often explained away as Apple overcharging for their products or mindless sheep throwing money at Apple.

Am I the only one here who sees the sheer illogicality here?

I really have to wonder if their anger and disappointment at Apple's supposed neglect of the Mac is making them irrational and incapable of properly evaluating and critiquing the current state of Apple. Maybe instead of trying to explain away Apple's success, we should be trying to explain it. Apple isn't perfect, but they aren't being run by idiots either, and I do believe Apple deserves a lot more credit than this forum gives them for.

Maybe I do come across as a shameless cheerleader. How can I not, when their products are serving me so well, and I have never been happier using them?

 

[Chupa Chupa]

This will be how you'll be able to see the next Mac Mini.

 

[Yvan256]

If Apple is indeed losing the plot as so many people here claim, then nobody should be buying their products.

Here's the thing. Apple can both be losing the plot and selling lots of products at the same time.

On one hand, they lost the plot by not updating some of their Macs for years (Mac Pro, Mac mini, MacBook Air) and even updating some of them with what most of us see as useless features (touchbar, USB-C only, even thinner computers) and removing features that we want (RAM that can be upgraded, USB type A, SD card reader, headphone jacks on iPhones), dumbing down or even removing macOS features for no reason instead of moving them to a "pro" settings tab, etc. Another problem is that Macs are now a really tiny slice of profits and some of us are annoyed that Apple is not focusing as much of their efforts on Macs as before. We keep hearing about "great things in the pipeline" but we get either disappointing updates or years between new models. Part of the blame goes to Intel, though.

On the other hand, they're selling a lot of products and being profitable because they sell more than just Macs now (iPhones, iPads, EarPods, HomePod, etc) and a lot of these new users being new, have no idea what is missing from earlier and are just happy with the current state of the hardware and software, some of them come from Windows and Android, etc.

 

[citysnaps]

What about working on fixing the ports problem on MacBook Pros FFS.

My 2017 MBP ports work fine.

Perhaps you should consider a trip to the Genius Bar to have yours looked at?

 

[DevNull0]

Do you know how displays work?
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You need to understand that apple isnt going to have Star Citizen running on this thing.

Theres a big difference between the resources need to run a desktop UI and media consumption apps (which will almost certainly be iterations on existing mobile apps rather than scaled down desktop apps) and Desktop PC level gaming.

No one buys a 5K iMac expecting to play the latest AAA games at 5K. But the UI is crisp as you like and your media looks stunning.

Same will apply with this headset.

You need the 90fps to avoid motion lag as you move your head. With dual 8k displays, that 138 gigabits per second can't be avoided even if you're just displaying plain text, and that's supposed to be without a tether? If you want the text to appear motionless in space, you need to update the displays faster than the brain can detect.

Now as for graphics quality itself, you're right that processing the video is separate from loading the video data to the displays. But 64 megapixels is a lot to render; remember how Apple's first retina macbooks stuttered when scrolling text? This is going to be a very expensive head mounted display; who's going to want to pay for it when all you can connect it to is a low power mobile graphics chip? Would you buy an 8k screen for your home if it had no inputs except a built-in VHS cassette player?

 

[alextu]

apple dont even waste your
time on VR/AR. you will be late
to the market as usual and with nothing
new to offer like the homepod. just continue milking the iphones.

 

[canonical]

Not sure that I care what they develop anymore: no matter how good it is, it then won't be updated for 5 years, and will then be dropped. No more Apple monitor. No more Airport. No Mac Pro updates in 5 years. No Mac Mini updates ... woeful.

 

[citysnaps]

Not sure that I care what they develop anymore: no matter how good it is, it then won't be updated for 5 years, and will then be dropped. No more Apple monitor. No more Airport. No Mac Pro updates in 5 years. No Mac Mini updates ... woeful.

Being so unhappy, maybe it's time to switch to a different manufacturer?

 

[9081094]

I know Apple designs the most powerful mobile processors and crushes their competition.

On paper Apple maybe having the fastest processors. That begs the question why we don’t see it in real-time use. The Galaxy S9 beats the iPhone in real-time use and there are lots of YouTube channels to back this up. Even from neutral parties.

Also keep in mind that most high end Android phones use denser screens and have more pixels to render.

You should expect from a company that develops its own software and processors to take advantage of the new capabilities of their newest processors. The truth is only a small portion of iOS is written to do that as their are a handful of small services written in Swift. Apple isn’t even eating its own dog food.
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Not sure that I care what they develop anymore: no matter how good it is, it then won't be updated for 5 years, and will then be dropped. No more Apple monitor. No more Airport. No Mac Pro updates in 5 years. No Mac Mini updates ... woeful.

For a company this size you expect their engineering team will grow with their business and that they should be able to stay strong in the markets they already dominated.

Years of neglect in their computer (core) business and than when they suddenly introduce a new computer they expect the whole world is buying them. Sorry Apple, these past six+ years you’ve proven that investing in Apple computer hardware is bad business.

As for the iPhones how much does their parts cost to build and at how much are they selling? Even a Galaxy S9 has more expensive parts than the iPhone X. You can say that they need some money for research and development and marketing, agreed! But so do the other companies. Even Huawei is pumping more research and development money into their phone business and they’ve proven that strategy is paying off. Apple is getting pushed out of China and India already and Europe is slowly following.

 

[thekeyring]

8K in each eye?
I don't buy that for a second.
Outrageously expensive, and complete overkill.

What would the resolution have to be to be "Retina" at a viewing distance of a VR headset?
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Not sure that I care what they develop anymore: no matter how good it is, it then won't be updated for 5 years, and will then be dropped. No more Apple monitor. No more Airport. No Mac Pro updates in 5 years. No Mac Mini updates ... woeful.

Being so unhappy, maybe it's time to switch to a different manufacturer?

Or at least a different forum.

 

[Rocketman]

When I was talking about 8K 2-3 years ago after saying 4K was the thing for home theatre, I had no idea the tech existed to put 8k on glasses. We seem to be in a new world.

Now we know why iWatch exists. Consumer funded development.

 

[plexdk]

Apple Watch, Electric Car, HomePod, now AR and VR.

Tim Cook is really throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks.

Apple Watch, which is the only one out, rest is rumors - did stick

 

[Rocketman]

Apple Watch, which is the only one out, rest is rumors - did stick

JPack
Apple Watch, Electric Car, HomePod, now AR and VR.

Tim Cook is really throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks.

May I make a suggestion??

 

[ipponrg]

I mean, if they had their way, Apple would still be making only computers today and we would never have our Apple watches, Airpods or Apple pencils. Simply because these critics seem stuck in this 2000s era of desktop computing and utterly incapable of moving on.

Why would you NOT want Apple to continue making computers? It's the SOLE reason you have rest of these accessory devices? Apple watches/airpods/pencils are accessories because people like me develop APPS for people like you to use said accessories. This baffles me a little, but it's quite clear where your thoughts are on this.

Apple has always been about making technology more personal to the end user. The Apple glasses’ purpose will be to enhance, not replace, reality for the wearer. As of today, glasses enhance reality by making things appear clearer. In the future, this utility will be transformed. Glasses will not just make our surroundings appear clearer, but also use AR to provide additional context related to our surroundings. The implications related to such a feature are far and wide.

I'm sure Google Glass and Snaptacles were and are very applicable to society. That's why they had phenomenal success among consumers.

iOS 11 brought AR to iOS devices. At the same time, we are starting to see pain points involved with trying to use AR on a handheld device. The natural answer to that would be a pair of AR glasses which is always on me and which I don’t have to hold.

The pain is that very few care about AR. Remember the Pokemon Go game? Most people that played it turned off AR. AR for consumers is currently nothing more than gimmick.

I suppose I might be interested to wear an AR glass similar to an episode of "Black Mirror" where they can display information about a user given their social media. But isn't that pretty creepy?

For the full lay down, I highly recommend reading the article linked below.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/7/27/apple-glasses-are-inevitable

AR glasses are inevitable. And I will conclude with this quote from the aforementioned article.

I don't disagree that AR glasses are inevitable. However, you're relying too much on opinions, albeit a biased Apple site, than your own observations / critical thinking. You may want to instead subscribe to a more general tech analyst's view than a specific Apple view which will give you a bigger picture. I have very little faith that Apple cares about its consumers from a low-profit perspective.

 

[elvislives]

8k per eye ! OMG that will require a monster GPU!

 

[Whathappened]

Apple Watch, Electric Car, HomePod, now AR and VR.

Tim Cook is really throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks.

That’s two released products including a market leading watch plus two future projects that totally make sense.
Throwing everything against the wall is something different.

 

[Precursor]

Ok THIS got me officially excited!!

 

[LittleChief]

8K per eye is exactly right! This report will look a lot less laughable in about 3 years time

"If you look at the human visual system, it’s typically claimed that a person with 20/20 vision needs something like 8K vertically and 16K horizontally to get everything right."

 

[radiology]

Hi about if you guys focus on a new ****ing laptop that is not riddled with a variety of issues? That would for sure augment my reality.

 

[davie18]

This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I’ve said for ages it’s 100% certainty Apple would be working on a product like this. I’ve tried hololens and I think AR has enormous potential, far more potential than VR imo.

It would be crazy for Apple not to be investing in this field and seeing if they can do something.

What the big question is, is whether they actually release anything. Apple probably experiment with product ideas regularly but only release when they’re very happy with it.

I’m excited to see what happens with AR either way though. If you haven’t used hololens I’d highly recommend trying it if you get the chance and you’ll be blown away
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Hi about if you guys focus on a new ****ing laptop that is not riddled with a variety of issues? That would for sure augment my reality.

Focus? Lol this company has billions and billions of cash. You make it sound like they can only focus on one thing at a time!

 

[tromboneaholic]

Apple Watch, Electric Car, HomePod, now AR and VR.

Tim Cook is really throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks.

What are you doing?

Edit: if you don’t think Watch is a success, you aren’t paying attention or don’t own one. Apple isn’t looking to hit home runs with every launch - they are analyzing how the products are actually used and then adapting. This is what Jobs did with the iPhone a decade ago.

 

[PlainviewX]

Bring on AR. My body is ready.

 

[BruceEBonus]

This is truly the future They were right about 3D TV. We all have them now. Don't we? Hello? And self driving cars. I have one on my garage in fact. Don't I? And my Amazon Delivery drone has just left my own back yard for a other address no doubt. Hasn't it? Now. A brand new revolution begins. The VR headset Easy to wear. Comfortable in use. And so practical and fun. Once again Apple leads the way with products lesser companies have discarded already. That takes courage, foresight and just a teensy weensy smidgeon of desperation (just a tiny bit mind).
I should also point out here that I am a tad naive and have a tendency to be attracted to eventual overhyped marketing disasters Thanks.