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Apple Working on 'Improved' Security System for iPhone 8 That Replaces Touch ID With Facial Recognition
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You just made me think. In questioning, cops offer you a glass of water. A nice, clean glass, where you leave your fingerprints.... or if you're not white, they'll just shoot you and press your finger on the sensor...
As long as 3D face recognition (the final step of two) is at least as secure as finger print and iris, I'm sure the banks will be happy.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/11/lg-iphone-8-3d-facial-recognition-module/
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http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...ected-to-add-facial-recognition-future-ar-use
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Just like how shocked people were when Apple nonchalantly explained away the headphone jack because of "courage"? I am guessing a similar BS marketing spiel will take place this year to explain away the TouchID sensor!
Once Mark Gurman says something, it is usually correct, even if the "story" or motivation behind the decision might be wrong, the feature that Gurman leaks or explains is usually correct. So more or less confirmed that TouchID is gone with the iPhone 8, doesn't mean it is gone for good, for this year at least, no TouchID on the flagship phone (obviously it will be there on the 7S/7S Plus).
A scenario dreaded by the dangerous MR keyboard warriors...... without thier keyboards they are harmless
hence would not face that scenario
It is not only that. If I'm riding my motorcycle I can use the phone by just removing one glove. Facial may need me to remove my chash helmet which frankly sucks.
The same would go for skiers, muslim women and others.
A huge retrograde step if this means that touch ID is gone.
Sorry Apple, no sale. TouchID works so leave the thing alone.
All cameras detect infrered radiation. Just point your camera at your nearest IR remote and you'll see it light up on screen, despite you not being able to see it yourself.
This is a non-issue.
Go to settings -> Accounts -> Sign-In Options. Under Windows Hello you can select "Improve Recognition" to do it without your glasses on. It should then recognize you with or without your glasses.
Also, with my 2017 Surface Pro, facial recognition is almost always as fast as Touch ID and waaaaay faster then the pin (then again I also have a 9 digit pin).
I believe apple pay will just use the same process and will just scan your face and pay that way. Not sure it matters how it’s done will affect banks.
This same time last year people were saying the same thing about the headphone jack. It went the way of the dodo and yet Apple is still somehow surviving.....
This fall is going to be another interesting announcement. Will I be laughing maniacally at how Apple's crack marketing team makes excuses for the removal of TouchID and the public accepts it leading to iPhone record sales once more or will I be nodding in agreement because Apple dared not remove this key feature and actually managed to implement it in a cohesive manner, proving MCK and Gurman and the other rumors totally wrong?
Interesting times ahead indeed!
And here we go, people start talking about not buying the iPhone 8 because of this and so on, Apple announces the iPhone 8 in September shows off how the facial recognition works well and suddenly all those people then buy one.
This seems to be happening more and more just lately, of course this is a rumour and people are free to comment on it (after all this is a Mac RUMOUR site) but people saying they won't buy it before Apple have even got on stage to announce and show what they have done is just silly.
This seems to be happening more and more just lately, of course this is a rumour and people are free to comment on it (after all this is a Mac RUMOUR site) but people saying they won't buy it before Apple have even got on stage to announce and show what they have done is just silly.
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I can't imagine how it is going to work with Apple pay. Maybe you'll have to summon the credit card from wallet, authorise the payment by looking at the phone than have up to X seconds to place the phone near the reader. I have an AW so I always pay with it and used my iPhone only once, as far as I remember I needed to put my finger on the home button while I was near the reader.
Apple pay aside, I usually put my iPhone on the desk and unlock it with my finger while it stays there, or while I'm grabbing it. So facial recognition wouldn't work for me or would unlock my iPhone too late, so it would need to be super fast.
Apple pay aside, I usually put my iPhone on the desk and unlock it with my finger while it stays there, or while I'm grabbing it. So facial recognition wouldn't work for me or would unlock my iPhone too late, so it would need to be super fast.
And this is when the confusions regarding the iphone8 name kicks in.
These rumors are all mixed up. This years iphone won' t be called the iphone 8, but something like iphone (decade) edition (x). Next years iphone will be called iphone 8. So they could very well be testing this for next years iphone, and start facial recognition this year but not as advanced as in next years iphone. This years iphone will get touchid , it could be on the rear, in the apple logo, in the power button, etc.
These rumors are all mixed up. This years iphone won' t be called the iphone 8, but something like iphone (decade) edition (x). Next years iphone will be called iphone 8. So they could very well be testing this for next years iphone, and start facial recognition this year but not as advanced as in next years iphone. This years iphone will get touchid , it could be on the rear, in the apple logo, in the power button, etc.
They are saying it will work in this scenario.
As I said in another thread I now really like the idea. I cant figure out in the Criminal scenario where a thief grabs an iPhone and holds it to the owners face, unlocking the iPhone with access to all data.
It must be a two step process for unlock-
Step one
Finger placed on home button, and picks up instantly its the owner....
Step two
Face recognition sensor scans face with 3D ir technology and unlocks phone in 200th of a second, at more or less any angle ie car, bike, on desk.
I cant figure out Step one if the technology isn't advanced enough yet for the new displays.
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Its embarrassing how many people are talking like this is going to happen. It won't. It can't.
They can't remove it. TouchID will 100% be there in some form whether that is under the screen or on the power button.
If you want a really simple reason how about apple pay. If they were removing it they would have to talk to every single bank they have a deal with. Then you would have thousands upon thousands of people who know that apple wants to use facial recognition instead of touchID for apple pay. Someone would have piped up buy now.
Please stop acting like this is even remotely likely. They would sooner remove the cameras and battery than touchID at this point.
They can't remove it. TouchID will 100% be there in some form whether that is under the screen or on the power button.
If you want a really simple reason how about apple pay. If they were removing it they would have to talk to every single bank they have a deal with. Then you would have thousands upon thousands of people who know that apple wants to use facial recognition instead of touchID for apple pay. Someone would have piped up buy now.
Please stop acting like this is even remotely likely. They would sooner remove the cameras and battery than touchID at this point.
And you know this how? by all means speculate this is a rumour site after all, but don't act like its not possible. After have a track record of removing technologies in order to advance devices forward, people said the same about the headphone jack last year for example. With regards to Apple Pay it's already in place, people wouldn't need to put their banks cards onto the device again.
How about new iPhone users or even old users who have never used Apple Pay before?!
The process is still the same, Apple Pay wouldn't change how you attach your card to the device it's just how Apple Pay would be authenticated, at the moment it's Touch ID but that could change to 3D facial recognition.
The Samsung version wasn't defeated by a 2d image alone. I would hope that Apple have now tested a 2d picture behind a 3d lens.
EDIT: Never mind, Apples solution is facial and perhaps eye recognition which I guess is what they were referring to with depth perception on the face rather than eye
Lol, every face is hard to be "seen" by cameras in night, no matter the skin color. Anyway, these biometric cameras use infrared light, if I'm not mistaken, so all the facial features would be visible and I don't think skin color would influence operation of the sensor in any way.
And if it's not infrared, then I guess the frontal screen flash would go off.
Either way, I am 100% certain that Apple would NEVER introduce any biometric solution that works better with a specific race, gender or any other physical attribute.