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Apple Working on 'Improved' Security System for iPhone 8 That Replaces Touch ID With Facial Recognition
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Serious question, why are people so scared of the police? Is it a US thing I don't understand being from the UK? Or?
I know this because it would be utterly mental to remove touchID.
Its nothing to do with having your cards on the device already, its to do with it being secure enough and the fact they have to talk to the banks if they wish to change the security around apple pay. Someone would have spoken up from the banks if this was the case by now.
Removing the headphone jack is a minor inconvenience and the 3.5mm jack was always doomed to be phased out eventually. You still have a set of headphones with the iphone, its not a big deal. People complained but it was a minor thing.
Take away touchID and you will piss off a huge number of people as well as losing the best way to seamlessly authenticate users. Apple do things that they think will benefit the user or themselves. Removing touchID does neither. I am almost never sure about apple rumours but this one I am 100% sure is BS.
Touch ID will still be far smoother experience. With touch id you just bring your phone close to the terminal and your finger is resting on the home button naturally already. Not to mention terminal are placed in all kinds of weird places and positions.
Hows does the camera see you when you have to hold phone close to the terminal to pick up NFC signal, but at the same time keeping in a such position that the camera can still see your face. Go to a store and try with a terminal that is positioned in the same distance from the ground as your chest and try to see how you have to place the phone on the terminal while at the same time seeing yourself with a front facing camera.
If that's all there is to then Apple just created a problem where there was none.
NO faceID. Have they forgotten how fingerprint scanning is faster and seamless? Do you know how stupid it is when you try to use faceID to enter London Underground trains?
And cover your face up if you're that threatened?
The police can ask you for your passcode or fingerprint now anyway. If you refuse, you're asking for trouble as their suspicions will raise.
And cover your face up if you're that threatened?
First off you may be right it could indeed be BS but no one (except Apple themselves) can be 100% that it's not going to happen. We don't know Apple's plans and what they have been working for how ever many years, this is a technology that they could of been working on and have perfected it, it's not the first time they have done so. \
Secondly the security system as far as the card details will not change, they can still be kept on the secure enclave that not even the Bank has access to.
People just need to wait and see, this could very well be a rumour that is not true BUT it could also be a rumour that in fact turns out to be correct, Mark Gurman and Ming-Chi are often very reliable when it comes to Apple leaks and information.
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This is something that we just don't know at this point, we don't know what Apple has been working on, not all the details are available and until Tim or whoever get's up on the stage and announces how it will work it is speculation.
I'm not that familiar with android S8 but there is an 'always on' Home button feature.
Assuming the touch id 'problem' that apple are experiencing is to do with the present touch ids stainless steel detection ring that detects the user's finger without pressing it, then an Always On iPhone home button my allow the Step 1 unlock, before the Step 2 face recognition.
"And another thing our iPhone 10th Anniversary is twice as secure"
Assuming the touch id 'problem' that apple are experiencing is to do with the present touch ids stainless steel detection ring that detects the user's finger without pressing it, then an Always On iPhone home button my allow the Step 1 unlock, before the Step 2 face recognition.
"And another thing our iPhone 10th Anniversary is twice as secure"
You cannot perfect a technology that has physical limitations. Cameras cannot see what is not in their field of vision. I have my phone on my desk a lot of the time and press touchID to unlock and do things on it. I'm not anywhere near the front facing camera when I am doing this. Plenty of contactless terminals are not in a position where you face would be visible.
With regards to banks and secure enclave thats a non starter. Its got nothing to do with the security of the information and that not being transmitted to the banks. The issue is that banks strike a deal with apple based on the perceived security of the authentication. Firstly someone at the hundreds of banks apple partners with would have leaked the fact that apple were going to use facial recognition instead of touchID and secondly its really not a good way to authenticate stuff. You are not in control of what sees your face, you are in control of where your finger goes for the most part.
Nothing about this makes sense from any angle. I don't doubt that they will add facial recognition to iOS at some point. Potentially on the iPhone 8. I am positive they aren't removing touchID though.
I don't believe these rumours.
Why? Well weren't you all pretty surprised at the that last WWDC... there were tons of things not predicted. The only thing was probably the 10.5 iPad which was sourced from supply chain.
I hold my prediction repeated yesterday from before WWDC on this forum.
Screen will sense Touch anywhere, multiTID on screen. No need for localised home button, the screen is the home button.
I forgot to ad yesterday which I see in this article I would expect a promotion display to feature in one of these new phones, more likely iP7s because they are same screen tech as IPP the iP8 will be OLED right and I'm not sure they have Promotion ready to go on that but then again they might have it in all models which would be great.
Finally 3D printing would most likely get around depth issue, granted you have to have access to 3D biometric data but it's not impossible but there is the key to unlocking a phone.
Scale probably won't matter once the detailing is high and a 1/3 size maybe even smaller 3D printed model of a face would probably unlock it. It's also possible it might not even require a 3D printed model and merely a paper/card development computed by a software that creates the development program to create an accurate enough protruding mask.
Why? Well weren't you all pretty surprised at the that last WWDC... there were tons of things not predicted. The only thing was probably the 10.5 iPad which was sourced from supply chain.
I hold my prediction repeated yesterday from before WWDC on this forum.
Screen will sense Touch anywhere, multiTID on screen. No need for localised home button, the screen is the home button.
I forgot to ad yesterday which I see in this article I would expect a promotion display to feature in one of these new phones, more likely iP7s because they are same screen tech as IPP the iP8 will be OLED right and I'm not sure they have Promotion ready to go on that but then again they might have it in all models which would be great.
Finally 3D printing would most likely get around depth issue, granted you have to have access to 3D biometric data but it's not impossible but there is the key to unlocking a phone.
Scale probably won't matter once the detailing is high and a 1/3 size maybe even smaller 3D printed model of a face would probably unlock it. It's also possible it might not even require a 3D printed model and merely a paper/card development computed by a software that creates the development program to create an accurate enough protruding mask.
We don't know anything, but assuming it is facial recognition what is there to know procedure wise? I can't think of anything. It needs to see your face it's a fact. In order for it to see your face you need to hold your phone in awkward ways.
I just remembered Circle K, because they have NFC on the side and just simply holding phone on top of the terminal does not pick up the signal. How would it work with those?
Not sure how the tech will work but it may have a wide angled laser sensor to detect the correct face, and this could be used to unlock iPhone on a desk as say 60 degrees.
https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/18/iphone-8-facial-recognition-sensor-feature/
Doesn't all these people moaning about the removal of TouchID remind anyone of anything? I'm thinking floppy drive, serial, parallel, ps2 ports?
If Apple is serious about 3D facial recognition they have to kill what came before it. If they offered both options (touch & facial) people would keep using TouchID which Apple does not want. Yes, at times it feels like the consumer is a unpaid beta tester but the only way Apple can gather data and learn from it's mistakes is to force people to use it which, in their eyes, ultimately leads to a better product/solution.
If Apple is serious about 3D facial recognition they have to kill what came before it. If they offered both options (touch & facial) people would keep using TouchID which Apple does not want. Yes, at times it feels like the consumer is a unpaid beta tester but the only way Apple can gather data and learn from it's mistakes is to force people to use it which, in their eyes, ultimately leads to a better product/solution.
Agreed. But how do you solve the 3rd party holding your phone infront of your face to access the data 'problem'?
There must be something to bridge that gap in favour of the owner of the iPhone.
I don't see much difference between someone holding your phone in-front of your face, I presume you didn't give it up voluntary, and someone forcing your thumb onto the sensor, both are problematic situations where I would suggest you have bigger problems. If you're referring to law enforcement, well you could always use two-factor authentication with a pin which although the courts can demand you unlock the phone in reality I doubt everyone pulled over for speeding is going to end up in front of a judge. It's a theoretical non-issue.
With regards to something to bridge the gap,there is, the iPhone 7s/7s+. The iPhone 8 is a reboot, a first-gen, almost beta, product. If people aren't comfortable with it they should hold off until the dust has settled. But oh no people want the new shiny and they want it now!
Thats just a stupid comparison. There were limitations and serious downsides to all those things you have listed. Compare those to thunderbolt 3 and usb-c yes, but people complained about those because they had a load of peripherals that used the defunct port/medium. TouchID is literally nothing like this.
TouchID is better than facial recognition in pretty much every way. Plenty of phones have facial unlock and yet people still prefer fingerprint. Phone makers have included it because why not. Its a feature they can say "we have facial unlock, isn't that cool". Have you ever heard anyone say "god I wish I could unlock my iphone using my facial recognition". No.
Apple will ultimately (potentially in the iPhone 8) have an under display touchID sensor. They won't remove it for one iPhone and then bring it back in the next.
"Better in every way", so you've seen Apple's implementation have you? I don't think they'll bring it back, once they're satisfied with 3D facial recognition I expect it to be cut across the board, Apple didn't buy PrimeSense for $350m for nothing.
It's not like Apple haven't done this before, 30 pin connector and last years headphone jack, people are already losing their minds without even knowing how Apple are going to implement it or even what Apple have been working on.
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Completely different.
Removing Touch ID is such a terrible idea, so many of the times I unlock my phone it is not directly in front of me.
[doublepost=1499167329][/doublepost]More and more I feel like the iPhone 6S and SE are the best phones Apple will ever make...
I agree. I've got reaching into my front pocket and double-clicking the home button on my 6s as I pull it out of my pocket down to an art form now. It's the perfect way to pay for stuff and to swipe in and out of the London transport system. I'll really miss that if TouchID isn't there. I'd be happy to have it as an alternative to facial recognition even if the sensor is on the back rather than not having it there at all.
On my 6s having a TouchID sensor where the Apple logo is would work pretty much perfectly for me. For my double-tap as I get it out of my pocket usage it might even be better on the back than having it in the home button.