Apple's 27" LED Cinema Display Now On Sale

[ovrlrd]

I'll take the Dell 3011 over this MacBook Pro add-on from Apple Consumer Eletronics. Thank you very much.

What is the point in posting this crap? "Full of win" you are not.

Nobody cares that you bought some other display instead of this one. It is one thing to discuss the merits as to what make that display better, or what Apple is doing wrong. That would at least be somewhat productive.

But your post? It's just smug and completely full of fail.

 

[ovrlrd]

Thanks, but I'll pass.

Rather get the sweet Dell U3011; that thing looks amazing!

The abundance of connectivity

10-bit color with:
2 High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI)
2 Digital Visual Interface connectors (DVI-D) with HDCP
1 DisplayPort (DP)
1 Video Graphics Array (VGA)
Component Connectors
1 USB 2.0 upstream port
4 USB 2.0 downstream ports
7 in 1 Media reader

Get it together Apple!

Congrats on finding something you like better! Nobody cares.

 

[chas0001]

The majority of the cost of an iMac is actually the display.

I realise that but the cost of a 27" imac is €1699. Blimey, if you purchased a Mac Mini and 27" display it would be more expensive (€792 + €1099 = €1891) and the mini has lesser specs.

I think that I will pass on this one.

 

[Master Chief]

I got the number from this thread.

But in DK at least, it's like this:

1) Normal pricing for average joes.
2) Educational Pricing for people that click the "Education Store" button, and is not enrolled at a specific university.
3) Educational Pricing for people that calls Apple Store (which is ie. required if you study at the University of Copenhagen, who have an Apple on Campus deal).

IIRC, number 2 often get 6-8%, whereas number 3 get around 14% on MBPs.

Right. That settles it then. The EU peeps are getting their LED's pulled through their noses. A rather painfully delivery.

But now seriously. I have made a few phone calls and it is now clear to me that the EU tax regulation, which its double handling fees and VAT over import duties, is the crux of the problem. Not Apple's fault. Well except for an additional fee for shipping, because it will be shipped twice [factory -> warehouse -> store/customer] to EU customers, and a small currency correction margin [whatever that may be].

And... this is just in; Some countries add a small fee called 'disposal tax'.

 

[La Porta]

It would be a great companion if both iMac and cinema display sat at the same height. Apple has dropped the ball big time on this and I won't be buying these now.

I do agree that that is a rather large oversight and is a pain. However, I'm sure I will come up with my own solution!

 

[German]

If someone is looking for a much better Display -> NEC MultiSync PA271W

NEC:
- 14Bit 3d-LUT (SpectraView II)
- Gamma, sRGB and L * Gradiation
- WCG-CCFL 102% NTSC (Apple has White-LED with just 72% NTSC)
- flexible Coloremulation -> no problems with sRGB
- some nice functions like ColorComp
- no Glossy
- more than just one Display-Input (2 x DVI-D; 1 x DisplayPort)
- more than just one year warranty

ACD is more a toy... or for people who are mainly intersted in a good looking display

 

[gnagy]

Christ, if you think the Dollars to British Pounds pricing is bad, just look at the Euro.

Even if you go to the high end and assume a 10% tax in the US for it, that's $1100 out the door. $1100 is €836.

Price on the German Apple Store? 1100€.

Even if you take away the 19% German VAT, it's €900. That's nearly $1200 BEFORE taxes.

• Price out the door in the US with an average 9% tax? $1090

• Price out the door in Germany with tax? $1450

And you expect this thing to sell well in Germany? Really? People who use stronger currencies do not get paid the same inflated amount that Americans do. We do not earn €50k to your $50k, because our currency is stronger. Salaries are adjusted somewhat accordingly to reflect that.

Why do you think the same BMW costs WAY less in the USA than in Germany? If you don't believe me look it up. The difference in car prices is even greater than technology products, and BMW is a German company.

The answer is quite simple. The exchange rate is complete bs. The Euro doesn't have more buying power than the USD. I visited Europe so I'm aware of how much things cost there, and everything is more expensive. Since the exchange rate is completely off there's no point in comparing prices like you are doing.

Edit:
Oh and salaries are less there, but you get more social services like free health care.

 

[tivoboy]

my play

with my 1000$, I bought five shares of apple at 200$, will sell at 300$, and buy someone elses 27" monitor. Apple pays ME in this case and I don't end up with a big sheet of glass.

Apple, please make something other than GLASSY for at least one of your monitors.

 

[buckleyn]

Will 24" ACD problems persist in the 27" ACD and why the U2711 isn't the easy winner

I am really wanting to buy one of these new 27" ACD monitors to go with my 2008 Mac Pro (once I put a new 5770 ATI card in it). However, looking at whether people are happy with their 24" ACDs it is scary to find a lot of people with flickering/blanking issues (see the almost 30 pages of people who spent lots of money for this monitor and cannot get it fixed here http://discussions.info.apple.com/click.jspa?searchID=-1&messageID=12041060 and here http://discussions.info.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=11589008).

Summary of their problems: The 24" ACD goes blank and flickers for a second. For some it happens 1-5 times an hour for others it doesn't happen for months of ownership and then suddenly it starts blanking very often and does not stop (one person even posted a video). This happens with various models of MBP directly connected to the ACD and also reported with Mac Pros (some but not all which use miniDP extension cables).

I am hoping that the new 27" is not plagued by these problems. But how long would one have to wait to see if the problems pop up as most people reported above that the issue did not present itself until owning the monitor for 2-16 months. Also the problem persists with 24" ACDs purchased on release week as well as ones that are brand new this summer. I am seriously hoping they have fixed this problem with the new 27" (although applecare cannot seem to fix anyone with the current problem 24"s for some reason). I am hoping that this is why they discontinued the 24" ACD and now the 27" is A-okay....

I have also read a lot of reviews for the DELL U2711 since the price is low when it does go on sale but again reviews for the U2711 are plagued by people that say that the anti-glare coating is very poor making things fuzzy and a magnitude less clear/sharp than what shows on side-by-side 27"iMac (see https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/865195/). They even say the U2711 anti-glare coating makes things much fuzzier than the coating on my current DELL 2405 monitor, which is very scary. If I am spending a bunch of money on a 27" I would rather have it be as sharp as possible otherwise I would get a <$500 27" with a subpar 1920x1080 resolution.

A tough decision indeed.

 

[foodle]

If someone is looking for a much better Display -> NEC MultiSync PA271W

ACD is more a toy... or for people who are mainly intersted in a good looking display

Gee, over generalize much? Can I quote some specs from an Eizo display and call the NEC a toy?

Yes, the NEC is a very nice display with a lot of nice features. It also has a very specific target audience (e.g., people who need high color accuracy and uniformity). Those people are willing to pay the extra 50% in cost over the Apple display for those features. So what?

 

[Brinkman]

Amazing display. Wish I could get one for like $600.

 

[skeep5]

Add a matte option please Apple

NO MATTE FOR YOU! NEXT!

 

[German]

Gee, over generalize much? Can I quote some specs from an Eizo display and call the NEC a toy?

Yeah. You can. Because you will just show, that you are wrong - unless you take a display that will cost a lot more.

Those people are willing to pay the extra 50% in cost over the Apple display for those features. So what?

In germany the NEC display doesn't cost more. Don't forget, that the Apple "toy" has just one year warranty. You have to take Apple Care!

 

[Trimmer2]

Same Height?

Why don't that make the 27" iMac and new 27' LED monitor the same height???

Across the top they are about 1 inch different. I'd like to get the new monitor and add to my iMac but, I'll STILL need a riser to get them even. I"m currently putting the 24 on a rizer to get close so I can stretch desktop across evenly. The problem with 24" is the resolution is different than iMac so, that is a problem all in it's self.

 

[gramtrax]

At least Amazon is still selling new 24" and 30" cinema displays. Looks like I'll have to bite the bullet on a 30" because I just can't deal with looking at glare all day.

Bummer, I was really hoping for a 27" matte option......

 

[racketeer71]

The answer is quite simple. The exchange rate is complete bs. The Euro doesn't have more buying power than the USD. I visited Europe so I'm aware of how much things cost there, and everything is more expensive. Since the exchange rate is completely off there's no point in comparing prices like you are doing.

Edit:
Oh and salaries are less there, but you get more social services like free health care.

You might have visited Europe, but you certainly wasn't visiting your university when the "Economy 101" course was taught.

 

[racketeer71]

Right. That settles it then. The EU peeps are getting their LED's pulled through their noses. A rather painfully delivery.

But now seriously. I have made a few phone calls and it is now clear to me that the EU tax regulation, which its double handling fees and VAT over import duties, is the crux of the problem. Not Apple's fault. Well except for an additional fee for shipping, because it will be shipped twice [factory -> warehouse -> store/customer] to EU customers, and a small currency correction margin [whatever that may be].

And... this is just in; Some countries add a small fee called 'disposal tax'.

Is it shipping directly from factory to customers in the US? All the times I've ordered Macbook Pros, I've received it directly from China (through a transit in Holland - but I also believe stuff in the US goes through ie. UPS transit hubs).

Anyways, I'll be buying the monitor when the 4 weeks shipping time is reduced to 24 hours in Denmark here

 

[fragreaper]

UK Education Pricing

In the UK, If you call apple sales direct (+44 800 072 1154) and give the name of your university or high education institute you can buy the display for £746 - a nice little discount!

Can't wait for mine in 3 weeks!

 

[Dr McKay]

I visited Europe so I'm aware of how much things cost there, and everything is more expensive. Since the exchange rate is completely off there's no point in comparing prices like you are doing.

Edit:
Oh and salaries are less there, but you get more social services like free health care.

You visited Europe? Wow that makes you an expert huh? Must have been a long trip to visit and tour all 50 countries to get your solid grasp on European Economies. You are partly right for several of the richer Western European countries, things do often cost more than American counterparts. But are much cheaper in the poorer Eastern Countries.

But Western salaries are not less, probably higher in fact to keep up with the higher prices, only poorer eastern nations would have lower wages, but lower prices to go. Ive been earning $27,600 a year since I was 17, it's going up to $30,000 next year and Im only 19. My 24 year old co-worker makes $45,000.

I understand you're basing your whole opinion on Europe from the movie 'Braveheart' but I could easily be as ignorant and base my opinion on the American economy by watching Cletus on Simpsons. I mean, I've visited America, so I know I'm an expert.

 

[jamesryanbell]

I like the feature that allows you look at yourself and everything behind you when you're trying to work.

Another bonus is the special "make display useless" surface that kicks in when the sun hits it.

Thanks, Steve!

You have to like glossy displays. You shouldn't ever work with light behind you, and it shouldn't annoy you AT ALL if it's reflective.

All the benefits of matte are negated by "slight color washout".

Therefore glossy is totally superior.

Steve said so.

 

[gri]

You have to like glossy displays. You shouldn't ever work with light behind you, and it shouldn't annoy you AT ALL if it's reflective.

All the benefits of matte are negated by "slight color washout".

Therefore glossy is totally superior.

Steve said so.

You are just holding it the wrong way...

 

[jamesryanbell]

This is a NEW Apple product. Immediately assume it's the best. Buy it, or own a lesser monitor.

Go.

(Ok, I'll stop now. I think.)

 

[jamesryanbell]

You are just holding it the wrong way...

Exactly. See? Someone gets it.

 

[TennisandMusic]

For some people it is a problem, but for me personally I have no issues. All the lights where my computer is are very dim and placed on the sides of the room, not above or behind me when I am sitting at my desk. This means I never experience any glare at all. Oh and the only window is off to the side and has a window shade that blocks out light during the day when I want it to.

People overplay the whole glare thing, some people know if it is an issue for them and they avoid glossy displays. I have no idea how they manage to find a TV that is not glossy for their home theater though, maybe they use a projector. Oh but with projectors you also have to worry about ambient light in the room. See, glossy displays are not the only ones that have to worry about light.

Matte is nice but there is more to a good display than that.

I disagree that the glossy is overplayed. These screens are the glossiest of the glossiest screens EVER made. I've never seen a TV that quite compares. There is glare inherent in the screen, even with no lights on the screen or being by a window. Yes, it's sharp and it's vibrant but that's what gets you. I work on a 24" matte cinema display at work and it's so much nicer/easier on the eyes than my screen from hell iMac at home. It's so bad I'm considering buying an external IPS monitor and just putting the iMac on the floor and just running it into the monitor.

Personally I think not having the matte option is a complete joke (just like the the Apple monitor).

 

[fixmymac]

Greed?

Call me greedy, if you like.....

I am happy with spec, glossy, pricing and all that jazz.

The thing that annoys me about this display (same with 24" display) is that it does not sit at the same height as the equivalent iMac!!!

27" iMac sits 2.6cm higher than this new display. That won't look right with them side by side!

Someone needs to invent a 2.6cm booster chair for this display.

Maybe call it an iChair (High Chair....????? oh, nevermind)