I know, Apple just came out with a 6k display that requires thunderbolt 3 a few months ago. I guess people who for some reason think apple is dropping eGPUs thought that maybe thunderbolt was the excuse?
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Apple's Arm-Based Macs With Apple Silicon Chips Will Support Thunderbolt
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I know, Apple just came out with a 6k display that requires thunderbolt 3 a few months ago. I guess people who for some reason think apple is dropping eGPUs thought that maybe thunderbolt was the excuse?
You mean like Intel has done with there RISC-esque x86 CPU’s for several years running. Certainly seems to be falling on their heads right now...
They are making it easier to port apps with Catalyst, and preparing this fall to have iOS apps run unmodified - which means they will run a (scaled) iOS widget set and font set.
iPad app windows run on the arm Macs will be scaled down by ~25% unless "optimized for Mac" (aka Mac idiom) is selected.
With the direction Bid Sur is going, I wonder if the new Arm laptops will ditch the touch bar and get a touch screen instead...?
@endlessike Ha ha ha, that’s what I get for having integrity and leaving my original posts up
Intel has corrected reports that you need a specific intel technology - you just need DMA protection, which Apple silicon has in spades.
Sure, just like the last ten years worth of iPhones, iPads, iPod touches, HomePods, watches, Apple TVs, and AirPods which have used Apple-designed CPUs.
😆 Keeping a standard in the industry - in perpetuity??? So we stand still and don’t progress? Interesting perspective 🧐 New standards need to emerge, this one is near end of life, having run its course for 30 odd years. Big if, here, but IF Apple Silicon delivers on performance over Intel and x86 ISA in general...would your stance change?
I guess my question is - is your stance really more about performance or is it more about decades long backwards compatibility?
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Exactly, which is why I corrected myself in a subsequent post after being made aware of this, but left my original one up for all to see
Intel's chips are RISC. They have a hardware translation layer to convert x86 and x64 opcodes into an internal execution cache that operates on a completely different RISC-based microcode.
Typically an actual RISC instruction set will require a larger instruction sequence (so using more memory and more bus bandwidth) but have a larger register set (which reduces the need to spill registers onto the stack). ARM optimizes the instruction set to try and reduce the former memory cost.
The 90s just called, they want their talking points back🧐
In reality the terms "RISC" and "CISC" have lost there initial meaning long ago.
Intel's chips translate x86 to microcode (aka RISC), while Apple's chips have so much extra functionality tacked onto them it's hard to make out what is the CPU and whatsnot...
I mean, that goes without saying
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FWIW, I believe part of Intel licensing USB4 technology to the USB-IF for royalty-free was a transition from it being an IP portfolio/partnering technology to a trademark and certification program.
Before you had to use Intel or partner chips, under a license agreement from Intel, and agree to release products under specific terms - for example, I do not believe you were allowed to sell an 'empty' eGPU or RAID chassis.
I believe the technology Intel has announced for "Thunderbolt 4" does not actually change USB4 - it just places quality requirements in terms of bandwidth, charging, device functionality, and security.
To that end, I suspect Apple will release the first round of silicon with Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 support (and of course that includes backward compatibility).
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Hey...you aren’t a jaded PPC Mac guy, by any chance? Afraid the PPC stagnation at the end is going to happen all over again?? Intel x86 was the savior that brought the Mac mainstream, made it compatible with everything else on the market, etc. and now all that is being taken away again?
Problem is, Intel is the new IBM in this scenario. They are the ones stagnating and not able to produce a chip that improves performance without burning to a crisp.
It isn’t Apple alone having thermal problems. All manufacturers are having to deal with this. Make Mac’s thicker! That’s the solution to an aging and slowing “industry standard.” Let’s go backwards in device design and deliver stagnant same same devices with no differentiation to its competitors, and see if that helps our business grow and delivers industry leading user experience and satisfaction to our customers...
If you design your own powerful CPU, build more of them than Intel builds, then you use it for your laptops and desktops. CPU manufacturers in order of powerful CPUs built are: QualComm (non-Apple ARM), Apple (Apple ARM), Intel (x86), Samsung (non-Apple ARM), some huge gap, then AMD (x86). Apple has better technology than Intel, and their (mobile) CPUs are more powerful than 90% of the Intel CPUs sold. They will have no problems building laptop and desktop CPUs that are more powerful than 98% of the Intel CPUs sold.
Point 1: There are needs and cases where reverse compatibility.
Point 2: ARM already is old.
Point 3: This change is going to Macs more like mobile devices and make them more niche.
Haha, I never used PPC Macs when the were new (even though I own three now), thinness is something that is pushed too much in the modern computer industry leading to heat problems due to sacrificing the thermals for that thinness.
If a new CPU to compete with Intel is wanted, develop a whole new architecture.
ARM is pretty standard too, and more ARM devices ship these days than x86. For that matter having a lot more architectures available on consumer hardware was common up until not that long ago, there's nothing inherently magical about x86.
I’m late to the party but I had no doubt that Apple Silicon would have TB4. (Easy to say, now.)
I fully expect all AS devices to have non-swappable ram and SSDs (like the MBPs) and any desktop Mac would need the fastest connectivity out there to expand. Even the new iMacs.
I fully expect all AS devices to have non-swappable ram and SSDs (like the MBPs) and any desktop Mac would need the fastest connectivity out there to expand. Even the new iMacs.
especially those stupid hybrids actually exists in the windows world.
in an office of 60 people all using Microsoft touch laptops not one of them used this in any productive way after the novelty had worn off.
it is not a theoretical idea but these machines already exists and as far as I can see not much use is being made of it.
Got this for my MacBook Pro, works (almost) as good as the original MagSafe:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H7BNJBS/
Edit: I see now this one is unavailable, but there should be lots of similar ones available...
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Touch Bar is the BEST AND MOST USEFUL invention ever. Jony Ive struck a stroke of genius in designing this perfect stripe of glass
Best to prevent the computer industry from reverting back to that state.
"and more ARM devices ship these days than x86" = Humans buy too many mobile devices.