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No , people with half a brain are wondering what Apple is doing with all the info it is collecting on millions of people . Fingerprint now facial recognition . No thanks .

Seriously? Why you spreading this big bowl of FUD?
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Not because of any product-related fiasco though.

No, he's just a common criminal convicted of bribery and embezzlement. Other than that...
 
Is Face ID worth a $300 premium?

I wish it every success tbh. It would be great to use your phone unlocked without a FP or password or pin.

Can't see it moving over to Android if its gonna add $300 to the ticket!
 
where are you getting this info?
as far as i can gather, you don't have to 'hold it almost straight and level to you face'.. nor do you have to 'wait a bit' prior to swiping up.

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I really wish people would be required to LISTEN to the podcast before being able to comment. None of this is true and all addressed in the p_o_d_c_a_s_t this article is about.

Specifically you do not have to wait, it’s instant. You can swipe before looking at the phone and it will instantly unlock when you look at it.
 
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Has Apple stated anything about taking repeated facial pictures of FaceID scans when an IPx is set as Find-My-iPhone LOCKED?! As a way to report o authorities of a potential theif?
This would be an excellent addition to FMi, but nothing that specifically requires FaceID. Could just take a regular picture.
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I don't understand the obsessing over the "notch". If something that minuscule bothers you that much, you've got some stuff to work out upstairs. It's not even close to a big deal.
The huge curved edges are a much bigger deal than the notch. Not sure why that bothers people?
 
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do the rounded corners trigger you as well?

and fwiw, ALL video/photo ever created has portions being blocked out from what's truly captured.. lenses don't see rectangles.. our eyes also don't see rectangles.
you think since you've seen rectangles before that they're proper and will seemingly argue to death that anything not a straight sided rectangle is wrong..
reality is, lenses see circles and our eyes see some other weirdness.. with portions being blocked by our noses and eyebrows etc...

Yes and no. In the scope of what was implied lense see circles but that doesn't matter. You compose your scene with a viewfinder and capture your scene with a sensor. Both are not round nor have rounded corners. So even if additional light (information) goes through the lens, it is never registered by the viewfinder/senor, so you would not miss it later in your pictures because you never saw it to begin with when you used your camera or phone.

Rounded corners or the notch on the other hand will discard some picture or video elements.
 
Too bad the iPhone X's screen size is smaller than the 6+/7+ in every dimension that matters to content size.

I agree, that's a big reason why I didn't like the Galaxy S8+, the screen felt smaller because of the width. This looks to be the same thing. I don't want a long thin candy bar. I want a nice rectangle.
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a different explanation:

here's the iPhone X and a standard 16:9 ratio:

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here's the 16:9 movie being played on the phone:
no missing video.. sides are letterboxed

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if you zoom the video to fill the screen width, yes, you'll lose some content 'under' the notch..
however, you lose a lot more (11x more) video which is being cropped out of the top&bottom.

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are you seeing what i'm saying now?

like, if it's such a concern of yours to lose some video due to the notch then it should be a much bigger concern of yours to lose 11x the amount of content to the screen edges.. but you're seemingly unaware that you're losing video if doing a zoom-to-fit type operation (on ANY phone except in the rare event that the content ratio matches exactly the screen's aspect ratio)

this will be even worse for video/images of a squarer nature (say, 4:3 or 3:2)

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At least for me, the issue isn't really losing x number of pixels though. It's when something is showing full screen, there shouldn't be anything blocking part of it. You don't want to see a screen that is rectangular but oh wait what is this thing on the side covering up part of it. Might as well get the 8 plus really.
 
Yes and no. In the scope of what was implied lense see circles but that doesn't matter. You compose your scene with a viewfinder and capture your scene with a sensor. Both are not round nor have rounded corners. So even if additional light (information) goes through the lens, it is never registered by the viewfinder/senor, so you would not miss it later in your pictures because you never saw it to begin with when you used your camera or phone.
yep.. agree.
my point was more about rectangles not being proper.. they're just easiest and that's why they've been used in the past.. what you describe above happened because of technical reasons and nothing to do with ergonomic reasons.
we're getting to the point where non-rectangular screens are possible to mass produce so we'll probably start seeing a lot more no rectangular screens in various implementations.
and we'll almost certainly arrive at realizing rectangles aren't actually the best way for us to view.

Rounded corners or the notch on the other hand will discard some picture or video elements.
well, i suppose, you better get used to it..
most of the high end smartphones are doing it this year (iPhone X, S8, Pixel2, some LG phone i saw... probably more)
 
yep.. agree.
my point was more about rectangles not being proper.. they're just easiest and that's why they've been used in the past.. what you describe above happened because of technical reasons and nothing to do with ergonomic reasons.
we're getting to the point where non-rectangular screens are possible to mass produce so we'll probably start seeing a lot more no rectangular screens in various implementations.
and we'll almost certainly arrive at realizing rectangles aren't actually the best way for us to view.


well, i suppose, you better get used to it..
most of the high end smartphones are doing it this year (iPhone X, S8, Pixel2, some LG phone i saw... probably more)

Ah, ok, i got your point. Agree on one hand, but I can see see some massive headaches coming up along the way, trying to implement some standards. Otherwise there would always be some sort of loss of information.
 
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Seriously? Why you spreading this big bowl of FUD?
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No, he's just a common criminal convicted of bribery and embezzlement. Other than that...

Well it is a valid concern. We don't know where the data is going for sure, we are relying on what Apple is telling us that it's only on one chip inside the phone and not ending up on Apple or NSA servers, but what do we really know about that. How do we know the NSA doesn't have a backdoor somewhere? I remember when we thought our phone calls were private unless there was a wiretap order. Turned out the NSA had their own room in the carriers' buildings to record any and all calls. I don't even think WhatsApp or Signal is considered private anymore. I think at this point we have to assume that the government can get this info if they want it.
 
Well it is a valid concern. We don't know where the data is going for sure, we are relying on what Apple is telling us that it's only on one chip inside the phone and not ending up on Apple or NSA servers, but what do we really know about that. How do we know the NSA doesn't have a backdoor somewhere? I remember when we thought our phone calls were private unless there was a wiretap order. Turned out the NSA had their own room in the carriers' buildings to record any and all calls. I don't even think WhatsApp or Signal is considered private anymore. I think at this point we have to assume that the government can get this info if they want it.

Feel free to assume. I'm confident they can't.

Until you're sure that's occurring, it's a cheap shot suggesting Apple is lax on this. You might want to familiarize yourself with Apple's "Secure Enclave."
 
i see.
at default settings, you'd be able to but yeah, there's an option to disable this.

with these smarter smartphones, we'll probably be seeing smarter voiceID soon.. and a 'hey siri' is likely to be much better at detecting your individual voice.. maybe not secure enough to unlock your entire phone but possibly enough for lower level security needs such as sending a text or making a call.

idk, maybe wait till 10.2 ;)

you can already do that tho. I can say "hey Siri send a text message to mom" she will ask what I want to say and then ask if I want to send.
 
Well it is a valid concern. We don't know where the data is going for sure, we are relying on what Apple is telling us that it's only on one chip inside the phone and not ending up on Apple or NSA servers, but what do we really know about that. How do we know the NSA doesn't have a backdoor somewhere? I remember when we thought our phone calls were private unless there was a wiretap order. Turned out the NSA had their own room in the carriers' buildings to record any and all calls. I don't even think WhatsApp or Signal is considered private anymore. I think at this point we have to assume that the government can get this info if they want it.

Are we assuming the government doesn't already have our photographs in a database somewhere? They don't need Apple and FaceID for that.

Do you have a driver's license? A passport?

The government knows your face! :p
 
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you can already do that tho. I can say "hey Siri send a text message to mom" she will ask what I want to say and then ask if I want to send.
yep, at default settings, it works like that..
this guy is talking about turning off the Siri pref 'allow access when locked'.. in which case, the phone needs to be unlocked in order to use Siri.
 
a different explanation:

here's the iPhone X and a standard 16:9 ratio:

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here's the 16:9 movie being played on the phone:
no missing video.. sides are letterboxed

View attachment 718551

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if you zoom the video to fill the screen width, yes, you'll lose some content 'under' the notch..
however, you lose a lot more (11x more) video which is being cropped out of the top&bottom.

View attachment 718552


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are you seeing what i'm saying now?

like, if it's such a concern of yours to lose some video due to the notch then it should be a much bigger concern of yours to lose 11x the amount of content to the screen edges.. but you're seemingly unaware that you're losing video if doing a zoom-to-fit type operation (on ANY phone except in the rare event that the content ratio matches exactly the screen's aspect ratio)

this will be even worse for video/images of a squarer nature (say, 4:3 or 3:2)

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Who the hell cares, I don't want a phone that wide. Good grief get a clue.
 
The lack of Touch ID wasn't surprising and now it is gone I don't know if I would have preferred the touch ID in the back. I do like the idea of dual biometrics, but I rather have a home button. I don't buy this gesture based method yet. Though I can live with Face ID, but the idea it will drain battery concerns me if it is always scanning my face. I do not like the notch though. I really don't know what Sir Ive is smoking, but the lack of symmetry is bizarre, and looks plain fugly.

On one hand I rather get the 8 Plus if it wasn't for it feeling like I am buying an obsolete product when the X is on its way. I have a 6 now and I really need to replace it. If I get an 8 now, I rather not wait for XI or whatever to see if Touch ID really does come back in some way.

I guess I gotta wait like everyone else.
 
They probably figured that a vast majority of people wouldn’t use the feature since a lot of people check their notifications on the lock screen using quick reply options (for apps that support it), so it probably wasn’t worth it for them to add that, as simple as it would be.
The developers testing it may have even said that they like checking their notifications as well.
 
Having used multiple Android phones with fingerprint sensor, I can say TouchID still holds the crown in terms of accuracy.

The iPhone X is a special edition phone (thus the X moniker). Apple said it's their vision of the tech in future smartphones (edge to edge screen, FaceID). I can see next year once Apple solved the yield and performance issues for fingerprint sensor under the screen, we will see both TouchID and FaceID on the next iPhone, completing the transition and melding together the old and bleeding edge.

Yes you can say Apple released the X to test the market (limited quantity, limited color, expensive). Apple did this sometimes in various shapes and forms. Heck, look at the first iPhone and its super expensive price under contract (Apple dropped the price quickly after). Sometimes the only way to know how the market reacts to a product is by releasing it. The X is the bleeding edge product. Doubtful users can still enjoy the 8, which is still the "flagship" iPhone.

Heck, remember the buttonless 3rd Gen iPod Shuffle under Steve Jobs? Sometimes you just need to take a step forward and test the market. Fail quick so you can learn from it. FaceID will be useful, and we will see a combination of it with TouchID next year.
 
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