Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X

[AsherN]

even in the demo, i don't think he was holding it level to his face.. maybe 'level' was just a bad choice of words for you to use but level means-->
if your face is 5-1/2' above the ground then the phone would also need to be 5-1/2' above the ground in order for faceID to work.

I think most of us here understand "level" to mean perpendicular, or nearly so. What was missing from the demo is how much of an angle will still trigger FaceID. 90?80?45?30? From the lack of showing that extreme angle, the inference i that it has to be pretty much looking straight at the face.

I would be very happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Keirasplace]

My gripes are not really about the loss of Touch ID but the loss of rapid switching to different apps, even now the home button barely keeps up with our ability (super laggy response, the taptic response actually reacts during the double click but nothing happens) to render a switch to one of the last three running apps. What happened to all this effort for the Taptic Engine to provide a home button click? I was really really hopeful they were going to revolutionize force touch this time around. I love my main phones (S8 and Note8) for the always present home button through pressure. I am just so surprised Apple didn't decide to implement this. From the demo app switching is going to be a chore it seems

How is it a chore, it seems faster and easier than before, the task switcher right now is total crap on existing phone and has been for a hell of a long while.

 

[flat five]

I think most of us here understand "level" to mean perpendicular, or nearly so.

hmm.. okay
(maybe don't go around saying that though )

What was missing from the demo is how much of an angle will still trigger FaceID. 90?80?45?30? From the lack of showing that extreme angle, the inference i that it has to be pretty much looking straight at the face.

I would be very happy to be proven wrong.

i get it that this isn't a live demo and it's an enhanced promo photo but, if it's not going to work at least somewhat close to this angle then Apple is going to face some PR issues over this.. moreso than they are with the demo appearing to fail.

 

[jona2125]

How is it a chore, it seems faster and easier than before, the task switcher right now is total crap on existing phone and has been for a hell of a long while.

LOL

 

[Keirasplace]

People saw the demo and formed quick impressions. This isn't anything new for any human endeavor. This is followed by NOT being able to go and see and try it themselves, although only a small percentage of people who complain would go and try even if it were possible. This is human nature.

Which part is human nature, people trying to create memes all day long based on some culturally memorable real world events and then trolling people by pushing their buttons day and night just for kicks?

Well, duh, and a lot of those troll/zombies live right here on MacRumors.

I'd wager many don't even own an Iphone or plan to own an Iphone.

 

[iMcLovin]

question is if my bank will adopt it, if not the phone is not interesting for me. acessing my bank with touch id currently is such a huge timesaver.

 

[roeiz]

with the X's aspect ratio, full screen with left side blockage is the same thing as full screen with top side and bottom side blockage.

i don't know.. if you're not understanding this then.. oh well.. get another phone that goes full screen side-to-side and top-to-bottom.. good luck with that though.. it doesn't exist.

it's not the thread to debate this...
but anyway.. apple has better phones than the competition.
it's probably the best option they had. but still it's a bump on the left when fullscreen.
nothing to do with aspect ratio. what is there to understand?

 

[flat five]

what is there to understand?

that if the notch is blocking part of the video then the top&bottom are also blocking part of it(and a lot more of it).. if you watch the video in it's actual ratio (nothing being cropped/blocked) then the notch won't obscure.. it will be blacked out and you likely won't notice it's there

 

[Keirasplace]

LOL

Well, it is and you can LOL all day long, I'm tired of rolling

hmm.. okay
(maybe don't go around saying that though )

i get it that this isn't a live demo and it's an enhanced promo photo but, if it's not going to work at least somewhat close to this angle then Apple is going to face some PR issues over this.. moreso than they are with the demo appearing to fail.

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If its like that in the promo photo, it will work like that in person.

In an already long presentation like that, keeping use cases simple is a must unless
wanting to transform the whole thing in a circus show.
Even hands on videos of people that handled the phone aftewards indicates this to be the case : it works.

The thing is though, you look at it and its primed for unlock if you then swipe it up from notifications.
If you see the camera, at the top, it can see you too (in the dark, it sees you even when you don't).

 

[sracer]

You should avoid examples and comparisons because they really are not your forte. How is knowing you are not interested in a stylus even similar to knowing how a feature will work when actually in use?

Well, you are free to always rely on first-hand experiences rather than drawing informed conclusions based on the information at hand.

 

[GTDaveMac]

question is if my bank will adopt it, if not the phone is not interesting for me. acessing my bank with touch id currently is such a huge timesaver.

I thought I read that developers don't need to do anything to enable FaceID, and that it would automatically replace TouchID. This may still be the case, but after reading this page: https://developer.apple.com/ios/human-interface-guidelines/user-interaction/authentication/ there are ways to differentiate in software. This may have to do more with text options in menus for developers to either place the text FaceID or TouchID. It would be awkward if the app gives an option to enable TouchID, but yet FaceID is what is available. It MAY work this way until devs update their code.

Edit: In the linked interview Craig Federighi mentioned that they ARE interchangeable with no update be developers necessary.

 

[uwdude]

Well Apple has certainly been good with the PR since the demo blunder, but the proof in the pudding will be actually using the phone. I don't even trust a lot of these reviewers anymore, as they tend to stay favorable in order to stay in Apple's good graces and continue to receive advance units.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Too bad the iPhone X's screen size is smaller than the 6+/7+ in every dimension that matters to content size.

 

[theotherphil]

Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I'm going to trust Apple for now and assume Face ID is better, until I get mine.

I will say this though... Just a few minutes ago, I tried unlocking my iPhone while hanging out in the hot tub but Touch ID failed. Then it dawned on me why Apple chose the woman in the pool to show how Face ID works in their video. Pretty smart.

Yup, I need to wear gloves for work so FaceID is gonna make things a lot easier.

 

[Hoolio0380]

Apple software engineering chief Craig Federighi today joined Daring Fireball's John Gruber on an episode of The Talk Show, where he likened uncertainties over Face ID to the concerns that customers expressed when Touch ID first launched in 2013 in the iPhone 5s.In a discussion that revisited the on-stage gaffe that saw Face ID fail to authenticate his face during Tuesday's event, Federighi said he was shocked when it happened because the feature normally "just works." He went on to say he understands the uncertainty, but that it will "melt away" once people experience the product. "You don't even think about it," he said.

Federighi went on to say that as much as Apple loves Touch ID, Face ID is "that much better." He confirmed that Apple believes Face ID is the future of biometric authentication, with the caveat that there are settings where different biometric techniques or combinations of biometrics could make sense.

Much of the rest of the discussion covered the same topics that were discussed in Federighi's earlier interview with TechCrunch. Federighi reiterated that most sunglasses work with Face ID, aside from some that have coatings that block infrared. One way around that, he says, is to turn off the "attention aware" feature that requires eye contact for Face ID to unlock.

He also explained why users need to swipe to get past the lock screen of the iPhone X, rather than it opening directly with a facial scan - it's so you can still glimpse at the time, check your notifications, or get to the flashlight without the iPhone opening up to the Home screen. The swipe and scan are simultaneous with no real waiting period or delay.

One last little tidbit -- with the feature that allows you to disable Face ID temporarily by pressing the side button and the volume buttons, it also takes a screenshot because the gestures are the same. Apple's looking into fixing that by deleting the screenshot when a press and hold gesture is detected.

Federighi's full interview with John Gruber can be listened to on The Talk Show.

Article Link: Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X

 

[ctrlzone]

to me it looks like FaceID works perfect, just what i expected from Apple.
they would not release it if it wasn't.

 

[Hoolio0380]

No , people with half a brain are wondering what Apple is doing with all the info it is collecting on millions of people . Fingerprint now facial recognition . No thanks .

 

[Sikh]

No , people with half a brain are wondering what Apple is doing with all the info it is collecting on millions of people . Fingerprint now facial recognition . No thanks .

they arent google but ok

 

[theotherphil]

Unlock my phone, use Siri to send text message or call someone without me ever picking it up from my nightstand is one example.

You can do that now without unlocking. I've just asked Siri to send a message and call somebody without needing to unlock.

 

[flat five]

nothing to do with aspect ratio. what is there to understand?

a different explanation:

here's the iPhone X and a standard 16:9 ratio:

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here's the 16:9 movie being played on the phone:
no missing video.. sides are letterboxed

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if you zoom the video to fill the screen width, yes, you'll lose some content 'under' the notch..
however, you lose a lot more (11x more) video which is being cropped out of the top&bottom.

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are you seeing what i'm saying now?

like, if it's such a concern of yours to lose some video due to the notch then it should be a much bigger concern of yours to lose 11x the amount of content to the screen edges.. but you're seemingly unaware that you're losing video if doing a zoom-to-fit type operation (on ANY phone except in the rare event that the content ratio matches exactly the screen's aspect ratio)

this will be even worse for video/images of a squarer nature (say, 4:3 or 3:2)

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[bobtem]

Will face ID work if you are ugly?

 

[Act3]

You can do that now without unlocking. I've just asked Siri to send a message and call somebody without needing to unlock.

sure, as long as you allow siri when locked under settings. not everyone wants that option. "hey siri" does not work when "access when locked" in settings is disabled

and even with access when locked enabled, there are many things "hey siri" will not do. try opening spotify or reading email... SIRI tells me I need to unlock my phone first.

 

[theotherphil]

I think it's because some people, and I include myself in this, have to deal in the real world, with real people as part of a real job.
I need to totally think thru potential issues and try my best to come up with fix's that will stop errors occurring.
Same with programming a game.
What happens when someone enters an area in the game or does something they are not supposed to do.

You can't have the game crash, you need to find and fix such things.

So when something is presented to people who HAVE to think like this, the instant reaction is to think of the potential weak links, and wish to see them tested.

Just "doing as you are supposed to" is pointless, you need to test out all the things you are not supposed to, and see if the system? still works, or does not fail in some way.

Even with a road bridge.
You don't make it, so it's fine with a expected load in nice weather.
You need to design it, so it takes a crazy loading, and the worst weather x 10 you can ever think of.
THEN it's safe.

And to think Apple is releasing something like FaceID without ever testing all these possibilities and that the most brilliant minds in tech haven't thought of a use case scenario that the average internet troll has is laughable...hell, they've even tested with highly realistic masks to tune the machine learning algorithms. Apple has been buying up the companies responsible for this tech for over 3 years....this isn't something that they have just implemented last minute because they couldn't get touchID to work under a screen. FaceID is already well tested before being released to public.

 

[ErikGrim]

If the CEO of any company were to be fired over each and every slip up, who knows how many CEOs companies like Samsung and Google would have burned through already.

To be fair Samsung's CEO is incarcerated so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Abazigal]

To be fair Samsung's CEO is incarcerated so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not because of any product-related fiasco though.

My point is that people need to look at the larger picture. Apple has updated a ton of products this year, introduced a few more new ones, optimised iOS 11 for iPads, amongst other accomplishments, and somehow all this means pale in comparison to face ID (apparently) failing on stage?

Do the critics calling for Tim’s removal even know what they are talking about?