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And Mac Rumours. That image is certainly more than 400 microns bent. Why confuse your audience like this for clicks?
Because they obviously don't fear a LIBEL lawsuit (but they should; because this is DEFINITELY libelous behavior!)

Now watch as i get banned for some sort of trumped-up "violation".
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I'm just curious did you read The Verge article at all? It references several cases, this whole thing isn't just based off one photo. I'm not sure why you are so hung up on that.
References with what VERIFIABLE photos?

Hearsay within hearsay is still hearsay.
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They are happy with the current deviations.
Are you implying that they said that THAT iPad in the photo is acceptable?

I didn't think so.
 
not only apple wants to rip you off by selling expensive outdated hardware
not only is apple selling defective devices and saying that is perfectly fine
but they also want to rip you off once you go to fix your device

"Genius Bar"

yeah right

check this out


apple 2020 , my iPad is not turning on after I bought it brand new from the App Store

I got home plugged in and is not charging or turning on

Tim = that is perfectly fine, we can fix it for the price of another brand new iPad

keep in mind that new iPad my not charge or turn on either

which is also perfectly fine

:D

I love apple but I hate Tim
I'm waiting for the next CEO to fix apple and bring back the old apple that was good for costumers

merry Christmas
You’re not even making sense with this kind of nonsense. Apple never said they won’t replace bent iPads out of the 400 micron spec.

An Apple device just flat out not working is never going to be ignored.

The video you posted is from a known Apple basher.
 
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That's the point, they DO have a QC/QA system and that system allows for 0.4 mm of flatness. And according to Apple that is better than previous generations of iPads. What we have seen in photos, IMHO, is well beyond that, aka defective. They, we'd assume, are eligible for being returned and replaced.
I just don't understand why people think that the iPad in the photo of this article is considered to be within Apple's stated specification and representative of what people are buying at the store.
Because people LOVE to Apple-Bash for NO APPARENT REASON.

NOWHERE has Apple stated that an iPad with nearly an 1/8" warp (assuming the surface of the desk is itself flat. A BIG "IF"!!!) is WITHIN TOLERANCE; but all the APPLE-HATERS pile-on and accuse Apple of Lying, putting out crap, etc.

Apple ought to sue EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND MACRUMORS, for LIBEL.

I am NOT kidding. This is beyond the pale!
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That bend looks a lot more than only 4 pieces of paper thick...
And who said Apple didn't agree?
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I think this is a fork in the road for Apple fans: some are saying enough is enough of this nonsense, others are getting peed on and calling it rain and a gift from the rain gods
That's asinine.
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Apple communication with its customers has been lacking recently.

When they needed to address a situation (iPhone throttling), there was lack of information.

When they do address potential issues (iPad tolerances), the response sounds insulting and condescending.
Actually, that sounds like an engineer trying to explain a technical issue (manufacturing tolerances) to a mob of barely-literate hatemongers, who are attempting to twist every single word into the most negative-meaning definition possible.

Which is exactly what is happening.

This truly has crossed the line into LIBEL.
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Again, we talked about this before. In the business world, people don’t always tell the customer what is actually happening when it comes to these sorts of business decisions. Now, I am not saying they haven’t botched this - I feel like they have, but their words don’t always reflect what is being done behind the scenes. A billion dollar company doesn’t get there by accident and they’ll certainly be taking a harder look at what caused the issue, replacing and essentially removing any bent iPad’s that are out there. This fixes the issue and does right by current and future customers. Who cares what they say? It’s all marketing bs. Think logically about running a business and you’ll have your answer.
The only way that Apple has "botched this" is by not being able to prove a negative.

And guess what? That simply isn't possible. Even if Apple shot a video showing an entire MONTH'S production of iPads meeting the flatness-spec, there would be a thousand angry Apple-Haters claiming that Apple either "cherry picked" the good ones; or that they had a problem and then quietly fixed it.

Personally, I would be about ready to sue some people for Libel over this; but that would cause even MORE Apple-Hate.

So now what?

I DO think that MR owes it to Apple to print a clarification IN BOLD, stating that Apple has NOT stated that the iPad in the picture represents an "in spec" iPad.

But I guess they'd rather have the clicks 'n' controversy...
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Okay, but you still have no idea that they are altering anything in their manufacturing process. That is just something you came up with out of thin air. I am taking them at their word that they are fine with the bent iPads and that nothing is changing in their manufacturing process or tolerances. You are assuming that they will be "replacing and essentially removing any bent iPad’s that are out there. Thus fixes the issue and does right by current and future customers." If that's the case, they should say so to REASSURE their customers instead of saying what they have, which can only be taken as arrogance. I am thinking logically about running a business, that's why I am saying over and over again that they are ****ing this whole situation up royally.
YOU are taking it as "arrogance".

I took it as a fact-based explanation.
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So, The Verge posts a picture of an iPad from a single angle and claims it is bent. Apple responds by saying, "Yeah, some iPads come bent." Stupid PR people!

Then they retract and say, "Well, by bent we mean 400 microns." Which is quite a bit smaller than the one seen in the photo. Suddenly everyone here blows up the forums with posts like "Apple has no quality standards," and "Those standards are horrible, iPads are like rubber bands!"

When Apple's real mistake was to treat The Verge with kid gloves. I don't know how they got that photo, maybe they bent it themselves to make a good thumbnail for their crazy "let's break an iPad in half then claim they're structurally flawed" video. The Verge gets clicks, Apple stock dips (which, by the way, is great for Apple when time comes to buy back shares).

What Apple would have done under Steve Jobs is basically rip The Verge to shreds. They wouldn't do silly products demos or try to argue specs like 400 micron tolerances, they would just say "Apple products don't ship bent, come into our stores and see for yourself." And the press would throw a fit, but Steve Jobs wouldn't budge. He was a jerk, and that worked for him.

Then again, Apple has done remarkably well financially under Tim Cook. Sure, their stock is down now, but that says nothing about the strength of the company. Maybe Tim Cook's method is the right one after all.
Personally, I think some of these blogs could use a well-placed LIBEL suit or two. Make 'em do a little FACT-CHECKING before they just create (or worse yet, REGURGITATE) LIBELOUS GARBAGE like this.

I am NOT kidding. Not one little bit.

If these sites want to be taken as serious journalism, then they'd better start ACTING like it.
 
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And has Apple stated that the iPad in the photo was in, or out, of tolerance?
No. No they did not. Buuuuuuuut... the quote I replied to definitely stated that it was: "And the iPad in that photo can hardly be classified as “bent;” it deviates from perfectly level by what appears to be the thickness of 4 sheets of paper, which is exactly the tolerance Riccio states."

Makes a BIG difference. Everyone around here is acting like Apple declared THAT iPad as "fine". Show me where they said that.
You know what else makes a big difference? Understanding the context in which a quote was written. ;) Also, I am not sure who "everyone" is or how they relate to me. You should probably ask someone else to show you where they said that since I didn't make that comment.
 
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No, not at all. I’m trying to bring some actual common sense and logic to a forum full of hyberbole driven over dramatic tech fans. There’s a lot of good conversations to be had in these forums, but weeding out those from the sensationalist nonsense can be difficult.
You mean "damn nigh impossible"; especially when the SITE ITSELF is just as guilty of spreading DISINFORMATION. And Disinformation with a clearly likely negative economic impact on Apple's iPad sales.
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I don’t care what apple says.
If you can’t tell how bad it is on some of the pictures and if you actually hold one and see how flimsy it is you’re out of your ****ing mind.
It should be reinforced with something considering this is a MOBILE device.
Who says it isn't?
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This article sounds like people talking past one another about two different things. The bend depicted in the photo is definitely outside the 0.4 millimeter range. Using that photo to illustrate what Apple is saying seems disingenuous to me. A bend like that in the photo is unacceptable. A bend in the 0.4 millimeter range might or might not even be noticeable.
It's beyond disingenuous. It is LIBELOUS.
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No. No they did not. Buuuuuuuut... the quote I replied to definitely stated that it was: "And the iPad in that photo can hardly be classified as “bent;” it deviates from perfectly level by what appears to be the thickness of 4 sheets of paper, which is exactly the tolerance Riccio states."

Makes a BIG difference. Everyone around here is acting like Apple declared THAT iPad as "fine". Show me where they said that.
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Sorry for the generalization.

However, you must admit that the general tone of the VAST majority of posters in this thread seems to be based on the ASSUMPTION that Apple was "blessing" the iPad IN THE PHOTO as IN-Tolerance, when they CLEARLY have NOT.

I just think that it is RIDICULOUS that MacRumors hasn't shown the maturity to publish a CLARIFICATION to that effect.

But that doesn't drive "clicks", does it?
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I’ve never seen a company stand so adamantly behind a glaring manufacturing defect.
What manufacturing defect?

You are (again!) assuming that the iPad in the article's photo has been deemed IN TOLERANCE by Apple.

Show me ANYWHERE where Apple says that!

I'll wait...
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The original bendgate WAS dumb. It was users causing the issue putting unreasonable amount of strain on an electronic device. You should not be sitting on your phone or twisting it, period, as much as you would sit on your laptop, tv, etc with a 120-300 pound person and expect it to survive in perfect shape.

Even with antennagate, ok you could argue ok move a finger or use a case likely 75% of people do anyway and get around it. The dropped call rate from the carrier data wasn't THAT far out of the norm. At least Apple said ok, we still think we're right it's overblown, but here's a few million dollars of free cases. They SOLVED THE PROBLEM as best they could.

But this time it's nothing less than an uncurable defect and there is no way around it really; and to believe a physical bow in the device from the factory is normal is worse. If 400 microns is the standard they should offer EVERY new iPad user over than a replacement no questions asked. THAT would be the proper response.

It is the attitude that gets me, that nothing to see here (while touting quality of its brand as key selling point and justification for price hikes); no matter if it is 500 having this issue of 5 million.

Considering if Apple isnt selling quality anymore, why pay the Apple tax anymore? There are a TON of well built cheaper options out there these days that didnt exist back in iPhone 4 days. there were a ton of plasticy laggy Android devices or Blackberry really.

And arguably devices like the Oneplus 6t are just as well built as any iPhone or Galaxy device these days for $550.
PLEASE show me where Apple has stated that the iPad in the photo was IN-TOLERANCE, or ISSUE AN IMMEDIATE APOLOGY for your UNSUBSTANTIATED DIATRIBE.
 
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Must say how small Apple spins 400 microns, however what’s missing is the per length factor. 400 microns per ?
The iPad Pro photo shows a bend over possibly the length of the iPad of about a third of it’s thickness. I have a first generation iPad Pro that doesn’t appear to have any bend. Not looking to replace it with this new “Bend Generation”. I am willing to buy Apple high end products, but they must be a precision device in all aspects. I am sure that those that can afford a Bently luxury car expects precision in manufacturing.
NOWHERE does Apple state (or even IMPLY) that the iPad in the photo represents one with a 400 micron or less bend/warp.

But it seems like many, many, many people around here REALLY want that to be the case, WHEN IT MOST CLEARLY IS NOT.

MR could FIX this; but why should they? Afterall, it's all just CLICKS to them!
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He just moves away from the question like a real politician. He is asked one thing and he starts talking about completely unrelated thing even if it’s true what he speaks about it’s not what he was asked.
He was answering the question. YOU just didn't want to hear the answer.
 
Because people LOVE to Apple-Bash for NO APPARENT REASON.

NOWHERE has Apple stated that an iPad with nearly an 1/8" warp (assuming the surface of the desk is itself flat. A BIG "IF"!!!) is WITHIN TOLERANCE; but all the APPLE-HATERS pile-on and accuse Apple of Lying, putting out crap, etc.

Apple ought to sue EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND MACRUMORS, for LIBEL.

I am NOT kidding. This is beyond the pale!

And who said Apple didn't agree?

That's asinine.

Actually, that sounds like an engineer trying to explain a technical issue (manufacturing tolerances) to a mob of barely-literate hatemongers, who are attempting to twist every single word into the most negative-meaning definition possible.

Which is exactly what is happening.

This truly has crossed the line into LIBEL.

The only way that Apple has "botched this" is by not being able to prove a negative.

And guess what? That simply isn't possible. Even if Apple shot a video showing an entire MONTH'S production of iPads meeting the flatness-spec, there would be a thousand angry Apple-Haters claiming that Apple either "cherry picked" the good ones; or that they had a problem and then quietly fixed it.

Personally, I would be about ready to sue some people for Libel over this; but that would cause even MORE Apple-Hate.

So now what?

I DO think that MR owes it to Apple to print a clarification IN BOLD, stating that Apple has NOT stated that the iPad in the picture represents an "in spec" iPad.

But I guess they'd rather have the clicks 'n' controversy...

YOU are taking it as "arrogance".

I took it as a fact-based explanation.

Personally, I think some of these blogs could use a well-placed LIBEL suit or two. Make 'em do a little FACT-CHECKING before they just create (or worse yet, REGURGITATE) LIBELOUS GARBAGE like this.

I am NOT kidding. Not one little bit.

If these sites want to be taken as serious journalism, then they'd better start ACTING like it.

You have been repeating the same thing over and over, shouting, putting down people, refuting any statement/photo with "prove it" and "Libel" shout!

And your scientific evidence - the table is not flat (repeated loudly several times), and soda-crackers that are precision ground to 4000 microns!

Apple has made a single statement so far - 400 micron deviation is acceptable. Nothing to specify the point/s of deviation in a three dimensional issue. There are enough pictures on top the OP picture, and on the internet, with videos showcasing returns.

The Verge article is not smart or complete, with no link to the claimed statement from Dan.

400 micron deviation is not going to be visible to the naked eye, will not cause a wobble; and this issue has been discussed in the previous 1000 posts.

You came in today and posted so many repetitious posts, with loudness and insults.

Relax a bit - this issue needs a lot more info from Apple, and the "original" Dan posting is not found yet.

Any visible bend on an iPad of 24.7 cm is going to be over the 400 micron spec.

The iPad Pro picture on the Apple web-site has no curve/bend. Compare that picture to the posted ones.

Too many (including me) are unnecessarily responding to your posts.

Just wait the holiday season gap in communication out. And, there is no libel.

Please stop shouting, and repeating the same phrases.
 
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Seems pretty obvious they shouldn't bend this easily and certainly not be shipped bent.

I guess some people just keep drinking the Apple Kool-Aid. I know this is MacRumors but Apple fans really need to start holding Apple a bit more accountable for the quality of their products and software.
Actually, I think someone should be holding MACRUMORS a bit more accountable for SUBORNING LIBEL by not publishing a CLARIFICATION that explains that Apple was NOT implying that the iPad in the picture represents an "IN-TOLERANCE" unit.

Until that happens; then this is nothing more than CLICK-BAIT LIBELOUS YELLOW JOURNALISM AT ITS LOWEST!!!
 
As opposed to the Stock Market in general, which has lost TENS OF TRILLIONS in the past few weeks.

http://time.com/5474484/us-stocks-1-trillion-loss-december/

WHY does everyone CONVENIENTLY forget that?

In fact, I heard a couple of days ago, that the Stock Market has erased ALL of the previous gains of 2018 COMPLETELY.

So, I think Apple's doing just fine against that backdrop.

And where did you pull that "400 billion" figure out of? (I think i know). I can't find that anywhere. Citation, please!
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Prove it.
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Please someone show me an iPad next to a laboratory-grade flatness-standard!
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So why are you here on MACRumors?!?

Go to an apple store and look for yourself.
 
I've used and loved Apple products for 30+ years. I'm a fan of the brand. I hold a fair amount of AAPL.

This is by far the stupidest comment from Apple I've ever heard and, for the first time, calls my position on the brand into question.

I own a 10.5" 2017 iPad Pro. I was thinking of buying a new 11". No way, nor will I recommend it.
Because of one CLICK-BAIT Post, that has PROFITEERED off of a MISCONSTRUED juxtaposition between a NON-COMMENTED-ON (by Apple) Picture and a Statement regarding Apple's manufacturing tolerances?!?

Yeah, right.
 
Because people LOVE to Apple-Bash for NO APPARENT REASON.

NOWHERE has Apple stated that an iPad with nearly an 1/8" warp (assuming the surface of the desk is itself flat. A BIG "IF"!!!) is WITHIN TOLERANCE; but all the APPLE-HATERS pile-on and accuse Apple of Lying, putting out crap, etc.

Apple ought to sue EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND MACRUMORS, for LIBEL.

I am NOT kidding. This is beyond the pale!
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And who said Apple didn't agree?
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That's asinine.
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Actually, that sounds like an engineer trying to explain a technical issue (manufacturing tolerances) to a mob of barely-literate hatemongers, who are attempting to twist every single word into the most negative-meaning definition possible.

Which is exactly what is happening.

This truly has crossed the line into LIBEL.
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The only way that Apple has "botched this" is by not being able to prove a negative.

And guess what? That simply isn't possible. Even if Apple shot a video showing an entire MONTH'S production of iPads meeting the flatness-spec, there would be a thousand angry Apple-Haters claiming that Apple either "cherry picked" the good ones; or that they had a problem and then quietly fixed it.

Personally, I would be about ready to sue some people for Libel over this; but that would cause even MORE Apple-Hate.

So now what?

I DO think that MR owes it to Apple to print a clarification IN BOLD, stating that Apple has NOT stated that the iPad in the picture represents an "in spec" iPad.

But I guess they'd rather have the clicks 'n' controversy...
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YOU are taking it as "arrogance".

I took it as a fact-based explanation.
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Personally, I think some of these blogs could use a well-placed LIBEL suit or two. Make 'em do a little FACT-CHECKING before they just create (or worse yet, REGURGITATE) LIBELOUS GARBAGE like this.

I am NOT kidding. Not one little bit.

If these sites want to be taken as serious journalism, then they'd better start ACTING like it.

I agree with much of what you said in response to my post, but I still think Apple could have addressed this better by now. It’s absolutely overblown, but it could have been controlled better.
 
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You have been repeating the same thing over and over, shouting, putting down people, refuting any statement/photo with "prove it" and "Libel" shout!

And your scientific evidence - the table is not flat (repeated loudly several times), and soda-crackers that are precision ground to 4000 microns!

Apple has made a single statement so far - 400 micron deviation is acceptable. Nothing to specify the point/s of deviation in a three dimensional issue. There are enough pictures on top the OP picture, and on the internet, with videos showcasing returns.

The Verge article is not smart or complete, with no link to the claimed statement from Dan.

400 micron deviation is not going to be visible to the naked eye, will not cause a wobble; and this issue has been discussed in the previous 1000 posts.

You came in today and posted so many repetitious posts, with loudness and insults.

Relax a bit - this issue needs a lot more info from Apple, and the "original" Dan posting is not found yet.

Any visible bend on an iPad of 24.7 cm is going to be over the 400 micron spec.

The iPad Pro picture on the Apple web-site has not curve/bend. Compare that picture to the posted ones.

Too many of (including me) are unnecessarily responding to your posts.

Just wait the holiday season gap in communication out. And, there is no libel.

Please stop shouting, and repeating the same phrases.
Who cares what you think?

I am absolutely correct in my points:

1. The "reference" tabletop is anything-but.

2. Apple has not stated that the iPad in the photo is "in-spec" (obviously it is not!)

3. MR should have published a clarification of Point #2, above. To not do so after over 1,000 posts is beyond negligent.

4. Apple's spec of 400 Microns is VANISHINGLY-thin. I only compared it to a soda-cracker to show how it compares with a rather-well-known frame of reference.


And if you find MY posts repetitious, then you are free to ignore them.
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Go to an apple store and look for yourself.
WTF does that even MEAN?

I just read a post earlier that stated that the Apple Store was the only BUSY store in the Mall they were in.

Now what?
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Someone didn't read the thread...
No, someone else deliberately misconstrued Tonewheel's comment. He CLEARLY meant "I couldn't find one OTHER picture..."

But you knew that already, didn't you?
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Try Googling or visiting Twitter or Reddit or ... ;)
No.

You're the one that is challenging the statement.

Let's see 'em.
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I agree with much of what you said in response to my post, but I still think Apple could have addressed this better by now. It’s absolutely overblown, but it could have been controlled better.
How?

Just HOW can Apple prove a negative? Because that is EXACTLY the position they are in here.
 
No.

You're the one that is challenging the statement.

Let's see 'em.

Not at all. I am taking the claims and photos at face value.
You on the other hand are trying your utmost to move heaven and earth (opinions) that this is all fake and overblown.

Failure to admit the evidence by ignoring it is fitting your hypothesis by omitting facts in evidence.
Good luck with that.
 
A poor design decision and made solely to charge the customer excessive amounts or to buy Applecare.
So HOW do you know that?

Were you in on the product design meetings?

Are you on any Apple product design teams or privy to their internal deliberations?

Thought not.
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I love how Timmy just passed the buck to Riccio. Accepts no responsibility for his company's failings and passes the buck. Much like how he threw Forstall under the bus. What a despicable CEO
WHAT "Failings"?

THERE IS NO "THERE" THERE!!!!

This is getting downright SICKENING!
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Not at all. I am taking the claims and photos at face value.
You on the other hand are trying your utmost to move heaven and earth (opinions) that this is all fake and overblown.

Failure to admit the evidence by ignoring it is fitting your hypothesis by omitting facts in evidence.
Good luck with that.
WHAT PhotoS????

I have seen TWO Photos: The one in the original article, and another that again has no frame of reference.

BOTH OF WHICH PHOTOS DO NOT SHOW AN IPAD THAT APPLE DEEMED "ACCEPTABLE"!!!!!
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I’d say the bend in the picture exceeds Apple’s ‘expectations’.

I’m seriously losing faith in Apple. I hope they get taught a lesson with their greed.
Has anyone even questioned whether Apple refused to replace this iPad?

The article even stated that this was NOT a MANUFACTURING defect, and that the iPad in the photo was NOT bent out of the box; but was BENT AFTER BEING USED (abused?).
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Well, the picture shown at the beginning of this article is quite misleading in that the bend is well beyond Apple’s stated tolerance of 400 microns. (Probably more than 10 times.). I believe this whole issue is more than likely faux news flaunted by the Verge.
And echoed for clickbait by MR.

Unconscionable. No wonder no one takes sites like this seriously.

They both deserve a big, fat libel lawsuit over this. And i am deadly serious about that.

It's the only way to get these people to start acting like the JOURNALISTS they PRETEND to be...
 
Who cares what you think?

I am absolutely correct in my points:

1. The "reference" tabletop is anything-but.

2. Apple has not stated that the iPad in the photo is "in-spec" (obviously it is not!)

3. MR should have published a clarification of Point #2, above. To not do so after over 1,000 posts is beyond negligent.

4. Apple's spec of 400 Microns is VANISHINGLY-thin. I only compared it to a soda-cracker to show how it compares with a rather-well-known frame of reference.


And if you find MY posts repetitious, then you are free to ignore them.
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WTF does that even MEAN?

I just read a post earlier that stated that the Apple Store was the only BUSY store in the Mall they were in.

Now what?
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No, someone else deliberately misconstrued Tonewheel's comment. He CLEARLY meant "I couldn't find one OTHER picture..."

But you knew that already, didn't you?
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No.

You're the one that is challenging the statement.

Let's see 'em.
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How?

Just HOW can Apple prove a negative? Because that is EXACTLY the position they are in here.

They could have just said they are aware of the reports and are looking into it further. Then say they identified an issue with a small number of iPad’s, they’ll be replaced accordingly, and measures are being taken to avoid any further issues. That’s all you can do from a business perspective.
 
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They could have just said they are aware of the reports and are looking into it further. Then say they identified an issue with a small number of iPad’s, they’ll be replaced accordingly, and measures are being taken to avoid any further issues. That’s all you can do from a business perspective.
And do you really think that would quell the opinions of the foaming-mouth haters?
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I am waiting to see the iFixit video of the 400 micron deviation that Apple claims and how benign it is. Maybe they will tell us the "per" part, and the angle of the deviation.
I think there is no "per" part because they are talking ABSOLUTE DEVIATION AT ANY POINT.

It isn't a large enough piece to have much of a meaningful "per" part of that spec.
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I'm willing to help Apple overcome this PR problem by purchasing a bent iPad at 50% off. They'll have a million of them. Or not if they don't change their position on this.
I'll bet they don't even have a DOZEN.

If so, where are all the PICTURES? All the breathless STORIES?

C'mon: The internet AMPLIFIES EVERYTHING, it NEVER MINIMIZES.

Never.
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Can somebody post a fresh out of the box bent iPad 11 2018 so that MacRumors can replace this photo?

Apple has admitted it ships bent iPads. If this much curve is seen in one week+ use, imagine the typical life of an iPad in a backpack, case or not.

The 9.7 looks more attractive, older standards of quality in build - limited by the storage size!

Edit: This photo is apt for this article because the article did not claim that the iPad is out of the box - rather how it looks after a brief period of use.
That won't happen: Why?

BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD CARE ABOUT A BEND/WARP THAT IS ONE-TENTH THE THICKNESS OF A SODA-CRACKER!!!!

THAT's why MR and the Verge will NEVER clarify their LIBELOUS ARTICLE!!!

C'mon MR: PROVE ME WRONG!!!

(Or will you just BAN me for pointing out the TRUTH?)
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Forget it. Can’t convince people in denial.
No more than you can turn Haters into Fans...

So, what's your point, exactly?
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A flatness tolerance of 0.4mm ( sounds less if you put it in microns) for an external aesthetic surface seems very high. It’s harder to make surfaces flat as a curve has more ridgidity . So is it plus or minus 0.4 mm or 0.2 mm either side of perfectly flat?
Good question; but does it really matter?

It is VERY tight spec, either way.
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All this talk about microns - talk about swallowing the Kook Aid! If you have a bent iPad you would only notice it if it was beyond that tolerance. This is 'AppleSpeak' and you're swallowing it. The pictures and reports of bent iPads are showing devices that are clearly defective regardless of how Apple executives or spokespeople are representing the issue.
And did Apple claim they were not defective?

And remember, the iPad in the picture did NOT come out of the box that way. Therefore, ipso facto, it is NOT a "Manufacturing Defect"!!!
 
And do you really think that would quell the opinions of the foaming-mouth haters?
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I think there is no "per" part because they are talking ABSOLUTE DEVIATION AT ANY POINT.

It isn't a large enough piece to have much of a meaningful "per" part of that spec.
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I'll bet they don't even have a DOZEN.

If so, where are all the PICTURES? All the breathless STORIES?

C'mon: The internet AMPLIFIES EVERYTHING, it NEVER MINIMIZES.

Never.
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That won't happen: Why?

BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD CARE ABOUT A BEND/WARP THAT IS ONE-TENTH THE THICKNESS OF A SODA-CRACKER!!!!

THAT's why MR and the Verge will NEVER clarify their LIBELOUS ARTICLE!!!

C'mon MR: PROVE ME WRONG!!!

(Or will you just BAN me for pointing out the TRUTH?)
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No more than you can turn Haters into Fans...

So, what's your point, exactly?
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Good question; but does it really matter?

It is VERY tight spec, either way.
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And did Apple claim they were not defective?

And remember, the iPad in the picture did NOT come out of the box that way. Therefore, ipso facto, it is NOT a "Manufacturing Defect"!!!

No, definitely not, but it would suffice for those that understand that a manufacturing defect can happen when producing millions of devices. I do think the whole thing is overblown, but I would have handled differently if I were in Apple’s shoes.
 
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No, just no. Apple themselves have made a statement saying the bent ipads are fine. No hyperbole here just facts coming directly from Apple. It's up to the consumer to decide if they will fork out money for said product. It looks like most people will not pay Apples premium prices for a product that's bent going by the responses on the couple of threads on this topic.
But there's a difference:

The "bends" that Apple is talking about are nearly undetectable to anyone without a laser.

The "bend" being depicted is about (literally!) a hundred times that.

People that think that the picture is what Apple believes is "acceptable" are simply not thinking it through.
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Sorry Apple, due to this I'm not going to buy it anymore.
I was fighting with myself yes/no/yes/no/yes, and this helped me out...
A big "NO" to iPad Pro!

I need to find a way to get completely away from Apple.
Maybe you should.

That's the only way you'll see just how GREAT Apple REALLY is, compared with the rest of the CRAP that is out there.
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The article is about iPads bending, before any use, by up to a tolerance of 400 microns (0.4 mm), which Apple claims is expected due to the manufacturing process and a lower tolerance than previous iPad Pro models. The pictured iPad is bent by comfortably more than 400 microns and the bending, by what I can gather from the original post (which I provided a link to), happened after it was taken out of the box by being placed in a backpack with no case.
Exactly.
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The picture associated with this article may be creating some confusion. Was Apple specifically responding to that iPad or just the issue in general? The iPad in the picture clearly has a bend more than 400 microns and I can't believe Apple would say that is acceptable,
Show me where they did.

I'll wait...
 
I don’t think they should be this arrogant considering they’ve lost 400 billion in market cap recently.

OP

And where did you pull that "400 billion" figure out of? (I think i know). I can't find that anywhere. Citation, please!

To the person/s who can't calculate an easy round number like 400 and wants proof, here is how it works:

On October 03rd, at $233.47/share value, Apple was worth $1097.309 billion - a trillion dollar company.

On December 24, at $146.59/share value, Apple was worth $688.973 billion.

$1097.309 - $688.973 = $408.336 billion slide down. Almost GE like.

On the day of this article when the $400 billion was mentioned, the slide was almost $400 billion, at ~$390 billion!

Not everything should be spoon-fed!:rolleyes:
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I think there is no "per" part because they are talking ABSOLUTE DEVIATION AT ANY POINT.

It isn't a large enough piece to have much of a meaningful "per" part of that spec.
 
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And do you really think that would quell the opinions of the foaming-mouth haters?
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I think there is no "per" part because they are talking ABSOLUTE DEVIATION AT ANY POINT.

It isn't a large enough piece to have much of a meaningful "per" part of that spec.
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I'll bet they don't even have a DOZEN.

If so, where are all the PICTURES? All the breathless STORIES?

C'mon: The internet AMPLIFIES EVERYTHING, it NEVER MINIMIZES.

Never.
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That won't happen: Why?

BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD CARE ABOUT A BEND/WARP THAT IS ONE-TENTH THE THICKNESS OF A SODA-CRACKER!!!!

THAT's why MR and the Verge will NEVER clarify their LIBELOUS ARTICLE!!!

C'mon MR: PROVE ME WRONG!!!

(Or will you just BAN me for pointing out the TRUTH?)
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No more than you can turn Haters into Fans...

So, what's your point, exactly?
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Good question; but does it really matter?

It is VERY tight spec, either way.
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And did Apple claim they were not defective?

And remember, the iPad in the picture did NOT come out of the box that way. Therefore, ipso facto, it is NOT a "Manufacturing Defect"!!!
My point? What do you think? Take some time to think about. Hmmm hmmm
 
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I have had two magic keyboards with number pad, bought the original when it first came out then bought the space grey one.

Both of them were bent. Fortunately, the pliability means that you can bend them back into the right shape. The oak desk I have is not perfectly flat by design so in actual fact this 'flaw' allows me to bend them enough to fit nicely to the shape of the desk.

Anyway, the point is they were bent, the reason it appears is temperature, thin aluminium when subjected to rising and dropping temperature (so I am told, not an expert) causing this. Its a well reported issue.

So if it is that easy for the keyboard to bend between manufacturing and delivery, then I am not surprised at all that the new iPad is doing the same, why wouldn't it? The shell is probably as thin.

Will stick to my 10.5 Pro for now :)
 
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