Apple's Dan Riccio Says 2018 iPad Pro 'Meets or Exceeds' Quality Standards of Design and Precision, More Info to Come

[I7guy]

I don't know why iPhones and other high end phones are so silly expensive.
If anything, tech moves forward and gets cheaper each year.

DVD players started at like $1000 and went down to $50.

$1000+ for a smartphone is crazy for it's lifespan.
Roll on 10 or 20 years when the price will crash and all models will be amazing.

Old tech does get cheaper. New tech is almost never cheaper. plasma tv is an example of tech that was new and now is outdated. Oled TVs are more expensive then their lcd counterparts and oled has been around since the 80s.
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Well it’s apple’s product , I think they might have the description on thier website correct . If you don’t mind, I’ll accept their version

You are a happy owner of the iPhone XS Max , and are okay with its price and that’s great. Complete straw man that I’m telling you how to spend your money.

It’s priced at what the consumer is willing to pay.

With humour , you need to be able to dish it out and accept it don’t take
Sarcasm seriously...

You can accept any version you want , I’m only relaying a consumer point of view. Apple knew exactly what it was doing with these screen sizes and price points.

My family likes big phones and my colleagues are all over the place with phablets vs normal size and what replaces what.

I did pause for a second before I got this expensive thing, but I’ll have it for three years and in two years the xiS max will be out. What to do?

 

[Shiro_Simba]

Old tech does get cheaper. New tech is almost never cheaper. plasma tv is an example of tech that was new and now is outdated. Oled TVs are more expensive then their lcd counterparts and oled has been around since the 80s.

No.... no...... missed the point .

OLED has not been in television since 1980s , you can’t mix discovery with application .

Since the introduction of Plasma, LCD and OLED TVs , prices have dropped every year .

Stick to OLED TVs as an example . Since introduced each year they get cheaper ....
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You can accept any version you want , I’m only relaying a consumer point of view. Apple knew exactly what it was doing with these screen sizes and price points.

My family likes big phones and my colleagues are all over the place with phablets vs normal size and what replaces what.

How is that different to Apple ? How many screen sizes does Apple currently offer for sale ? What exactly is normal size in the apple product line ?

Apple has it right in the days pre plus size iphones , Steve had it right .

 

[I7guy]

No.... no...... missed the point .

OLED has not been in television since 1980s , you can’t mix discovery with application .

Since the introduction of Plasma, LCD and OLED TVs , prices have dropped every year .

Stick to OLED TVs as an example . Since introduced each year they get cheaper ....

You missed the point. Oled is not a new technology but the prices haven’t been compressed to the level of lcds.!TVs might be a new application for oled but the underlying tech is the same in a tv as a watch as a display panel. While the prices of TVs have gone down in general prices of oled TVs are generally higher than their lcd counterparts.

How is that different to Apple ? How many screen sizes does Apple currently offer for sale ? What exactly is normal size in the apple product line ?

Apple has it right in the days pre plus size iphones , Steve had it right .

Three screen sizes. Essentially the 4.7 inch. 5.5 inch on plus models and x/Xs. 6.5 inch on the max models. Pick your choice of screen and bezels.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

You missed the point. Oled is not a new technology but the prices haven’t been compressed to the level of lcds.!TVs might be a new application for oled but the underlying tech is the same in a tv as a watch as a display panel. While the prices of TVs have gone down in general prices of oled TVs are generally higher than their lcd counterparts.


Three screen sizes. Essentially the 4.7 inch. 5.5 inch on plus models and x/Xs. 6.5 inch on the max models. Pick your choice of screen and bezels.

Though as a whole TV prices are
Going down each year irrespective of the starting price point based of screen.....

Come on ..... it’s 4.7 inch , 5.5 inch , 5.8 inch 6.1 inch and 6.5 inch

Not 3 simple sizes to choose, but 5..... apple has its own issue giving the customer an easy choice like it did on the past, they have joined the competition with confusing sizing

 

[I7guy]

Though as a whole TV prices are
Going down each year irrespective of the starting price point based of screen.....

Come on ..... it’s 4.7 inch , 5.5 inch , 5.8 inch 6.1 inch and 6.5 inch

Not 3 simple sizes to choose, but 5..... apple has its own issue giving the customer an easy choice like it did on the past, they have joined the competition with confusing sizing

The average consumer, like me, will see a small screen, medium screen and large screen. I didn’t take out my micrometer to measure the screens. I held the phones next to one another. And this is my opinion as a consumer.

 

[PG(Austin)]

Are they that out of touch with reality?

I think the answer is...Yes...for quite some time now.
[doublepost=1545835558][/doublepost]"Apple's Dan Riccio Says 2018 iPad Pro 'Meets or Exceeds' Quality Standards of Design and Precision"

Just not Quality Standards of Bending. Maybe he means they all bend in a precise manner. In other words, they all bend in the same spot. That's a precise design, right? I just wonder how long before Apple Execs are running for political office because they would give the ones currently there a run for their money.
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Ive and Timmy have their fingers in their ears saying "LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU !!!"

Apple with Steve Jobs... insanely Great
Apple without Steve Jobs... just insane

Jobs was great I admit, but even he told people they were holding it wrong. The egos and stock prices keep these guys from admitting a mistake.

Perhaps people are just unboxing them wrong.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

The average consumer, like me, will see a small screen, medium screen and large screen. I didn’t take out my micrometer to measure the screens. I held the phones next to one another. And this is my opinion as a consumer.

So say small medium and large

Fact is you accused non Apple companies for having confusing sizing , while Apple itself does not have 3 sizes for small ,Medium and large, but 5 at present .

World works on facts not assumptions .

 

[PG(Austin)]

Thin less weight is the “have your cake and eat it too” moment. If one succeeds, Awesome! What Apple does not understand today, we do not need a very thin less weight product that has very expensive repair costs, and can easily become unusable because of the design. Other words, we can live with a bit more size to get a durable less expensive product to repair. My just three year old MacBook battery failed, $200 and a week in the repair process, an example of a design I would easily give up on. What really hurts us consumers, not the size but the “Total Cost Of Ownership”. Apple products today are pushing the envelope of this matrix.

I think personally this is because the people calling the shots have so much money, they have no concept of what things cost. I really do. They think, hey I can pay more for something and handle it's high cost of upkeep. And I can afford very expense things so can't everyone? I mean Tim on GMA telling Robin Roberts iPhone X at $1000+ (for a PHONE) is less than a cup of coffee a day proves he has no idea how much a cup of coffee cost, and what kind of coffee people actually drink. This isn't 1955 diner coffee. Most coffee people buy is $3-5 a cup.

They literally have so much money they have no clue, no value of money or what people have to do to earn it. And to think people should just accept their explanation for a bent out of the box $1000+ device is insane and a shame actually.

And the obsession with thin and light is getting really tired. Thin and light at what cost? It's uneccessary.

 

[dk001]

I think personally this is because the people calling the shots have so much money, they have no concept of what things cost. I really do. They think, hey I can pay more for something and handle it's high cost of upkeep. And I can afford very expense things so can't everyone? I mean Tim on GMA telling Robin Roberts iPhone X at $1000+ (for a PHONE) is less than a cup of coffee a day proves he has no idea how much a cup of coffee cost, and what kind of coffee people actually drink. This isn't 1955 diner coffee. Most coffee people buy is $3-5 a cup.

They literally have so much money they have no clue, no value of money or what people have to do to earn it. And to think people should just accept their explanation for a bent out of the box $1000+ device is insane and a shame actually.

And the obsession with thin and light is getting really tired. Thin and light at what cost? It's uneccessary.

There is thin/light/strong vs thin/light/cheap. The more I look at the new IPP, the more the latter appears to fit.
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I think personally this is because the people calling the shots have so much money, they have no concept of what things cost. I really do. They think, hey I can pay more for something and handle it's high cost of upkeep. And I can afford very expense things so can't everyone? I mean Tim on GMA telling Robin Roberts iPhone X at $1000+ (for a PHONE) is less than a cup of coffee a day proves he has no idea how much a cup of coffee cost, and what kind of coffee people actually drink. This isn't 1955 diner coffee. Most coffee people buy is $3-5 a cup.

They literally have so much money they have no clue, no value of money or what people have to do to earn it. And to think people should just accept their explanation for a bent out of the box $1000+ device is insane and a shame actually.

And the obsession with thin and light is getting really tired. Thin and light at what cost? It's uneccessary.

There is thin/light/strong vs thin/light/cheap. The more I look at the new IPP, the more the latter appears to fit.

 

[PG(Austin)]

Apple's throwing this at consumers when they should be focusing on making great desktops.

Without question, Apple disgustingly pushes corporate greed and profit margins to a whole new level.

These two comments go together. They can't make and sell the quantity of desktops to push profits so they created a product they can, and market how you can't live without it.

 

[I7guy]

So say small medium and large

Fact is you accused non Apple companies for having confusing sizing , while Apple itself does not have 3 sizes for small ,Medium and large, but 5 at present .

World works on facts not assumptions .

There are so many replies saying the same thing you might have some confusion on who said what. Technically apple has 5 sizes, but ones needs that pesky micrometer to tell the difference.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

There are so many replies saying the same thing you might have some confusion on who said what. Technically apple has 5 sizes, but ones needs that pesky micrometer to tell the difference.

Thumbs up.

I’m out for hwre for a few days . Merry Xmas and happy new year !!

 

[AppleDoesNotCare]

It’s pitched as laptop replacement right ?

Since 1980 I’ve never treated any of my MacBook / MacBook Pro’s any different , and my 2017 MacBook Pro , most expansive by far to date , scratched , work machine and still same shape

With the current iPad Pro being the best laptop replacement , I should not have to put it in a case and treat it with more TLC based price .

Be it the original iPad or the iPad Pro, the Apple way is, seamless for the end user . You know you have gone wrong when you need to train the consumer how to handle a new product , and the more expansive the more delicate .

If I need to get a case for it to be durable , just build the thing thicker ....but don’t think Tim wants to loose out on the revenue that the cases will generate , not what people are worried from all those media Stunts bending iPads

I’m sorry, but an iPad is NOT a laptop replacement unless you don’t need a laptop in the first place. My iPad is used every day for what it is - a great device to read email and surf the web. But I work daily with software that will NEVER be written for IOS, and I need a laptop to mirror my desktop. Just because Timmy smoking crack says it’s a laptop replacement doesn’t make it so.
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I’m sorry, but an iPad is NOT a laptop replacement unless you don’t need a laptop in the first place. My iPad is used every day for what it is - a great device to read email and surf the web. But I work daily with software that will NEVER be written for IOS, and I need a laptop to mirror my desktop. Just because Timmy smoking crack says it’s a laptop replacement doesn’t make it so.

Oh, and also add, it doesn’t support file transport, external drives, a mouse, and countless other basic functions a laptop can do.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Earlier this week, Apple told The Verge that some 2018 iPad Pro models are shipping with a slight bend in the aluminum chassis, which is a side effect of the manufacturing process that is not expected to worsen over time or negatively impact the iPad's performance.

Many MacRumors readers were concerned about Apple's position that a noticeable bend is not a manufacturing issue, prompting MacRumors reader Craig to send an email to Apple CEO Tim Cook to express his concerns.

Image via MacRumors reader Bwrin1​

While Cook didn't respond, Craig did get a reply from Apple's VP of hardware engineering, Dan Riccio, which he shared with MacRumors and we which we have confirmed to be from Apple's corporate mail servers in Cupertino, California.

In the email, Riccio says that the iPad Pro's design "meets or exceeds" all of Apple's quality and precision standards.

Apple's specification for iPad Pro flatness is up to 400 microns, which is "even tighter than previous generations." Riccio reiterates that this level of flatness won't change during normal use, nor does it affect function. From the email:
Riccio's email also says that a company statement was not included in the original information disseminated by The Verge, and that Apple will be reaching out to media outlets to comment officially.

The original email was sent late on December 20 and suggested a comment would come "later today," but that didn't happen, so it's not quite clear when Apple will provide more info to the media. We may be hearing an official, more reassuring statement on the 2018 iPad Pro before the end of the day.

Minor bending of the new iPad Pro models first came to light shortly after the devices launched, and new iPad Pro owners who noticed bends shared their concerns on the MacRumors forums.

Apple was quiet on the issue until this week, when the company told The Verge that the bending is a side effect of the manufacturing process and not a defect that impacts iPad performance.

The bend is said to be the result of a cooling process involving the iPad Pro's metal and plastic components during manufacturing. iPad Pro models experiencing this issue are exhibiting the problem right out of the box, according to Apple, so it's not an issue that shows up or worsens over time.

Apple told The Verge that concerns over the structural rigidity of the iPad Pro are unfounded and that it stands by the product.

Article Link: Apple's Dan Riccio Says 2018 iPad Pro 'Meets or Exceeds' Quality Standards of Design and Precision, More Info to Come

Funny that we've only seen that ONE photo of ONE alleged iPad sitting on some surface of UNKNOWN flatness.

Since that looks like a typical particleboard desktop, (particleboard, which is notorious for warpage), I'd take that "photographic evidence" with a huge grain of salt.

So, where ARE all the pictures of iPads sitting on a Optically-flat lab surface? Because, without that REFERENCE, we, as observers, have ABSOLUTELY NO FRAME OF REFERENCE from which to gauge the actual "flatness" of the device in question, do we?

Seriously. Think about it.
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No it doesn't. Just stop, Apple. Design over functionality is becoming a problem if this is your response.

1. Have you seen a picture of a "bent" iPad other than the one leading this article?

2. Do you REALLY know how FLAT the surface the iPad is sitting on actually IS?
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Every product is going to have bends, but is it beyond typical tolerance levels? We need some independent tests, especially compared to previous models and other products, including from other manufacturers.

How about just some pictures taken on a laboratory-grade standard "flatness" plate, rather than some warped desktop?

Jeez, people are using a photo taken of a $100 particleboard desktop as if it is ANY kind of reference?!? Gimme a break!!!

 

[ipponrg]

Funny that we've only seen that ONE photo of ONE alleged iPad sitting on some surface of UNKNOWN flatness.

Since that looks like a typical particleboard desktop, (particleboard, which is notorious for warpage), I'd take that "photographic evidence" with a huge grain of salt.

So, where ARE all the pictures of iPads sitting on a Optically-flat lab surface? Because, without that REFERENCE, we, as observers, have ABSOLUTELY NO FRAME OF REFERENCE from which to gauge the actual "flatness" of the device in question, do we?

Seriously. Think about it.
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1. Have you seen a picture of a "bent" iPad other than the one leading this article?

2. Do you REALLY know how FLAT the surface the iPad is sitting on actually IS?

There are a few posts with pictures in this thread, and there are others in other forums

As always the vocal minority always outweighs the silent majority.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

What about standards of structural integrity?

What about standards of standards?

That picture is ZERO "proof". It uses a wooden desktop as reference, FFS!
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Dont worry guys, it will not bend any more than the 30 degrees it already has out of the box

Prove that the iPad is bent, instead of the desktop it is sitting on.

I dare you.
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If I'm spending over 2K on an iPad then its completely unacceptable to have a bend as depicted in the photo. It would be exchanged until I would get one without a bend.

It's amazing Apple is trying to pass this off as a manufacturing variance.

Show me proof that the desktop it is sitting on is anywhere NEAR "flat". Otherwise, the photo proves exactly NOTHING.
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Apple people don't live in the same reality that you and I live in....

You mean the one where a "flatness standard" (surface plate) has to actually BE a "flatness standard".

Here is one that I would likely trust. Notice that it is not made of particleboard, unlike the desktop in the picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_plate
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Oh, well if Dan says it's good, then it's all settled.

This flatness standard:

Is flat.

This particleboard desktop:

Is likely not.

Get it?
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There are a few posts with pictures in this thread, and there are others in other forums

As always the vocal minority always outweighs the silent majority.

Unless they are pictures taken on a laboratory-grade surface-plate, they are as meaningless as the original one accompanying in the article.

It takes two surfaces to determine flatness. One a reference-standard, the other is the unknown.

What all those other pictures show is TWO UNKNOWNS.

And just like "two wrongs don't make a right.", "two unknowns don't make a known."

Now, disprove THAT statement. I'll wait...

 

[Enclavean]

What about standards of standards?

That picture is ZERO "proof". It uses a wooden desktop as reference, FFS!
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Prove that the iPad is bent, instead of the desktop it is sitting on.

I dare you.
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Show me proof that the desktop it is sitting on is anywhere NEAR "flat". Otherwise, the photo proves exactly NOTHING.
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You mean the one where a "flatness standard" (surface plate) has to actually BE a "flatness standard".

Here is one that I would likely trust. Notice that it is not made of particleboard, unlike the desktop in the picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_plate
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This flatness standard:

Is flat.

This particleboard desktop:

Is likely not.

Get it?

Even if there was a tiny amount of bend on the table not visible to the naked eye, do you think the table is so bent it would cause the ipad to protrude that much? Because the table would have to be insanely bent to cause that much of it sticking out, so much so that op would have noticed his table was bent from his pens rolling out or whatever

I’ve also seen a few posts use rulers on reddit, are those also lying to me?

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Apple can say what they like about it - I won't be buying a bendy iPad

How about you start thinking CRITICALLY? Without proof featuring a laboratory-grade "surface plate", all you have are two surfaces of absolutely unknown "flatness".

There's a reason that NO surface-plates are made of WOOD (like the desktop in the picture).

Go to your nearest lumber yard and find me a FLAT piece of wood, flat to .0018" over 12". I double-dog DARE you.

But without that, you simply CANNOT know how flat the iPad is. Period. End of discussion.
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Even if there was a tiny amount of bend on the table not visible to the naked eye, do you think the table is so bent it would cause the ipad to protrude that much? Because the table would have to be insanely bent to cause that much of it sticking out, so much so that op would have noticed his table was bent from his pens rolling out or whatever

I’ve also seen a few posts use rulers on reddit, are those also lying to me?

Who says the rulers are flat?

And yes, I could EASILY believe that desktop was as far out of "true" as it shows in the picture. It's hard to tell exactly what the divergence is; but it appears to be about 3/32" (.09375"). That's 2381 microns. So, that means that the desktop would only have to be 1981 microns (.08") "warped" (in the opposite direction) with an iPad that is "warped" its maximum of 400 microns.

So, do I believe that that desktop in the picture could be warped by .08" over 12".

Easily.

So, show me a picture of a "warped" iPad sitting on a laboratory-grade surface plate, or you are literally comparing nothing with nothing.
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Riccio says that the iPad Pro's design "meeds or exceeds" And your is point is?????? So if your standards were that they don't HAVE to work that would make it right? OMG! Selling my 2 shares of stock soon as I can, and trying to find a way out of this Apple eco-system! ???????

Compare to a laboratory-standard or you know nothing!
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View attachment 812054 Apples Rose Tinted Glasses are getting thicker and darker each year!

And it appears that people's ability to THINK CRITICALLY is degrading at an even faster clip.

Show me an alleged "warped" iPad sitting on a laboratory-grade flat surface and I will believe it.

Until then...
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Tell you what it doesn’t ‘meet or exceed’... people’s expectations!

That picture proves exactly... NOTHING.

It takes TWO surfaces (one KNOWN to be FLAT!) to determine "bentness".
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this is bendgate all over again.... next thing you know they'll invite the press to show their staged testing process even though they know it's prone to bending

No need for that.

Just show me an out-of-the-box unit placed on a laboratory-grade "surface plate" (look it up) and we'll talk.

Until then, this is just (more of the same) Apple Hate.
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BTW what happens if you try to use the level app on one of these bent iPads because if it shows the deviation from flat then it does affect functionality.

Not unless you can affect the local effect of the earth's gravity.
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Wow they are really going to stick to their story..........

With NON-PROOF such as that, I would.
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If it "meets or exceeds" Apple's quality standards, then Apple's quality standards do not meet or exceed mine.

What about your "standards" for "critical thinking"? How are those?

Without a KNOWN FLAT SURFACE (see laboratory-grade "surface plate"), there simply IS NO COMPARISON POSSIBLE!

Period.

Ever think of THAT???
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Seems pretty straightforward. If it’s outside of the 400 microns it’s a defect and gets replaced I’d assume?

Step 1: Take it to a Standards Lab in your town. Tell them to report the maximum deviation from "flat".

Step 2: If >400 microns, take it to Apple for replacement.

But I bet it won't be. Apple most likely uses an optical interferometer to determine the flatness on the assembly-line.

https://wp.optics.arizona.edu/jcwya...ting-Flat-Surface-Optical-Components.pptx.pdf
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People, trust your own eyes and common sense.

This is no different than politicians telling you everything is OK, while they proceed to f everything up for their own benefit.

The only acceptable response from Apple should be that they acknowledge the issue and are working to make sure their product leaves the factory in the way consumers expect.

But what if there really IS no issue?

What should Apple do then?
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So he’s saying a big bend is within their design and production tolerances? That’s even worse.

400 microns is .0015"

Hardly a "big bend".
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So he basically said that they currently have very low quality standarts. Meh, nothing we didn't know.

I would hardly call a .0015" over 12 inches a "low quality standard".
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F***** stupid response, Apple.

Until you see one measured against a laboratory-grade flatness standard, you know precisely NOTHING.
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So since Apple's official word is that these bowed iPad Pros are within their quality tolerances, can we dispense with the myth that Apple has exceedingly high standards of quality?

Not a myth.
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That ipad in the photo sure has a bend larger than 400microns = 0.4mm lmao.

As opposed to the ??? WOODEN DESKTOP it is sitting on?
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Apple has always prided itself on having super tight tolerances for their devices. I suspect that ipad shown in the picture is probably a manufacturing defect which should be replaced under warranty since it's clearly more than 400 microns. That ipad is curved about 2-3 millimeters which is about 8 times greater than the tolerance.

Or that the WOODEN DESKTOP is (also?) warped?

Ever think of THAT?!?

 

[Enclavean]

From reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comme..._not_kidding_this_is/?st=JQ5I5HBS&sh=82a7f150

Apparently, Apple Store tried to give this out as a replacement

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I don’t think they should be this arrogant considering they’ve lost 400 billion in market cap recently.

As opposed to the Stock Market in general, which has lost TENS OF TRILLIONS in the past few weeks.

http://time.com/5474484/us-stocks-1-trillion-loss-december/

WHY does everyone CONVENIENTLY forget that?

In fact, I heard a couple of days ago, that the Stock Market has erased ALL of the previous gains of 2018 COMPLETELY.

So, I think Apple's doing just fine against that backdrop.

And where did you pull that "400 billion" figure out of? (I think i know). I can't find that anywhere. Citation, please!
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From reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comme..._not_kidding_this_is/?st=JQ5I5HBS&sh=82a7f150

Apparently, Apple Store tried to give this out as a replacement

Prove it.
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If this meets or exceeds Apple quality standards, I guess the new Apple quality standards are quite low!!

Please someone fire Mr. Arrogant, Lame excuser, Dan Riccio.

Please someone show me an iPad next to a laboratory-grade flatness-standard!
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I have an 18.4" Samsung tablet with the Android OS.....LOVE this thing.
It's so awesome.
Oh...and it's perfectly straight.

So why are you here on MACRumors?!?

 

[Radon87000]

Apple issued an apology and made the feature even better.

Power management is normal. Why couldn't Apple just point out that its a feature not present on Android and present on Ios as a selling point? An apology is issued when someone is caught in the wrong.

Android just shuts down and they don’t even apologize for it.

By shutting down, Android informs me of a problem which I go to the store to get ti fixed instead of slowing down my phone thereby forcing me to buy a new one

I just spent $1,000 to fix my out of warranty car as well.

Except here the fault is a result of Apple's cost-cutting. Not my fault so why should I pay for it? It came bent out of the box so its on Apple to fix any flaw which harises later on out of warranty because of the bend

But they are still highest in the industry.

Includes computers in that score, not just phones and unlike their competition they only sell high-end phones and computers so naturally a higher score. If Samsung sold only the S9 and Note 9, their score would be higher than what it is now

There’s a low bar for proofs.

Does the iPad Pro 2018 (unlike 2017) bend or not? Its a yes or no answer.

None of the new phones have equivalent sizes to the old phones. The x/Xs is closest to the plus while the max is almost a phablet.

The screen area of the X is factually smaller than the Plus

I only mentioned one issue.

Then list some more. I don't recall any major flaws.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

The ipad in that picture isn't bent, the table is

Prove that that is NOT the case.

I'll wait...
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Maybe for the particular article. There are a dozen or so photos floating around the net showing the bowed condition.

And unless they are taken with the iPad sitting on a laboratory-grade "surface plate", they show exactly NOTHING.

 

[dk001]

I find this whole "but bent is okay" ludicrous.
MB, Chromebook, Yoga, Thinkpad, IPP 12.9 G2, iPhone 8+, Razer, Galaxy S8, iPad Mini 4 (x2), FireHD 8.
One workbench with a laser flat level surface - every single device listed above is flat. No bends, no folds, no spindles, not mutilates.
An iPad with a bend? That is a defect.

 

[iMEric984]

Uh, no. I thought it was obvious I was giving examples of a few of the many issues people over the years have had with apple products.

I personally experienced several dying video cards (with my own laptop or with friends who asked me to diagnose it before I took it to Apple). Those problems believe it not were considered the result of a lack thermal management by MacBook pros even back in the days when their laptops were still 'fat'.

I also know two people who've had their current design era MacBook pro's keyboard fail. I've avoided the MBP since 2016 so I haven't given myself the opportunity to get a faulty keyboard.

I've also had an iPhone 6 plus gent slightly bent, which made me exchange it for an iPhone 6s (non plus), that also became slightly bent (with normal use - challenge me all you want about that one) which made it challenging, but not impossible, for a repair place to replace my battery when it wore down. Also my daughters iPhone SE, which has lived in a Lifeproof case for ALL of it's existence is slightly bent, again from normal use.

Given devices I've personally bought like the iPhone 6, 6 plus, and SE have all suffered the 'bends', I would never trust a device from Apple that much bigger and even thinner (the current iPad Pro for example). Like I, and many have said: There's a law of physics here. The forces of normal use on a device like the iPad Pro would make it easier to bend than any other device prior.

Give me something that's sturdier! I'll live with the extra few ounces. I seriously can't believe people are raving about how much better their lives are with a device that's marginally thinner and lighter. What a bunch of short sighted pansies.

I understand your point with building sturdier products. I owned an iPhone 6 that never bent, and my dad still uses it and it’s in perfect shape. My mom had an SE, I could never see a phone that thick bend.
The 6 and SE were always inside cases. Any phone will bend if it’s not protected, and say is always inside your pants. Sitting down with it being pressed against your leg is eventually going to make it bend slightly.
Again this also goes into how tight are the jeans, is it in a case? There are a bunch of different variables that can affect how a phone will bend or not bend.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

What are the odds that the wooden table is "perfectly level"? I know my custom wooden desk is not close to perfectly level.

EXACTLY what I have been saying (which has been falling on nothing but Apple-Hating deaf-ears).

There is a REASON that laboratory-standard "surface plates" are NEVER made out of wood.

A quick trip to your local lumber yard should provide the reason why...