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Apple's Existing Mac Lines Tweaked for OS X Lion

People and their CD drives are just hilarious.

I don't take you seriously and neither does anyone else. You don't need it.

If you happen to be a rare case, where you needed optical every day, all day, then fine, your 1 and 10,000,000 case is noted. BUY AN EXTERNAL.

Its not complicated at all. Get a better machine thats designed without the stupid useless optical drive, and buy a USB device for your once-a-month disc drive needs.

No one has ever offered a valid opinion on why we still need these drives. People scream, "Internet!" as if that has something to do with why we need optical drives. Everyone has access to internet. If you don't, at all, then you're simply not in a situation where you're doing much with your computer....and you certainly don't need something modern.

Crazy whiners who whine just to whine. Keep watching your DVD of Caddyshack for the 100th time.
 
Bytor65 said:
I am hardly a Macophile(yet), having never owned an Apple product. I just signed up here after the iPad was announced, because I thought it was a great idea and would really shake things up. Turns out I was right...

I use Win7 (and Windows as far back as 3.1) and I think Win8 is going to be a colossal mess. It is a completely bifurcated OS. It switches to a Tile OS (that I loathe) and you run legacy apps in what almost looks like a Desktop VM window, that has nothing to do with the main Tile front end. Heck Parallels better integrates windows in the Mac OS, than Win8 integrates its own desktop!

Further on top of this it will have x86 HW that actually does run legacy SW and ARM HW that doesn't. IOW it is bunch of fragmented unrelated ideas thrown out together instead any kind of unified design. It might just be the point where I switch to a Mac for my next computer.
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Agreed about the possibility of Windows 8. If Apple gets away with turning Mac OS into iToys-like crap MS will no doubt try to do the same with W8. The results are fairly predictable. MS can't seem to just make Windows a great looking, unified OS.
 
pmz said:
Windows always has been, continues to be, and always will be, solely for people who don't know any better.

Today its for people who need "innernetz", but want the cheapest ugliest way of getting there.
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Same could be said for Macs on the top comment, not the lower one obviously.

You are using Windows wrong sir ;)

I already gave my negative vote for my post :D Pointless system.
 
matthew12 said:
You don't have to purchase Apple's flash drive installation option if you've already purchased Lion from the app store. All you have to do is buy an 8GB flash drive from Best Buy or somewhere and copy the installation image to the drive using Disk Utility. Then you've only spent $20 or so extra instead of $69 extra.
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What I don't get is how Apple sees this as being easier than just providing a Lion image mounted on a flash drive which is included with new Macs.
 
pmz said:
Who cares??? :confused:
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You must be one of those people who do that thing when if someone asks you for a pen you say "What for" and my usual reply will be So I can give someone a call what else do you think a pen is for???

Obviously that guy asking the question cares .... otherwise why would he be asking it -_-
 
pmz said:
Who cares??? :confused:
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People that have dependencies on 10.6.X do. Enterprises and EDU's that have custom software or pre-determined workflows that do not involve Lion. Almost every major IT related company has roadmaps for transitions. Apple is the only one I know that force feeds. Not saying its good or bad just stating that Windows XP support was available well after Vista and Windows 7, same for Juniper SSLVPN when they changed OS's. Some of us can't just upgrade without consequences.


Sky Blue said:
Businesses that buy a lot of Macs but have compatibility issues currently with Lion.
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Very true. AD Binding is broken, directory services is funky still, a lot of strange new bugs with Apples new SMB release, Mac Mail and Exchange bugs. Quite a bit actually on the non consumer market.
 
pmz said:
People and their CD drives are just hilarious.

I don't take you seriously and neither does anyone else. You don't need it.

If you happen to be a rare case, where you needed optical every day, all day, then fine, your 1 and 10,000,000 case is noted. BUY AN EXTERNAL.

Its not complicated at all. Get a better machine thats designed without the stupid useless optical drive, and buy a USB device for your once-a-month disc drive needs.

No one has ever offered a valid opinion on why we still need these drives. People scream, "Internet!" as if that has something to do with why we need optical drives. Everyone has access to internet. If you don't, at all, then you're simply not in a situation where you're doing much with your computer....and you certainly don't need something modern.

Crazy whiners who whine just to whine. Keep watching your DVD of Caddyshack for the 100th time.
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It's the case of how many people actually need it. I'd say very few, so optical is going bananas. Thank God.
 
Sky Blue said:
Can you still install 10.6 on these MBPs that come with Lion?
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I would say yes, absolutely. As long as that is a model that originally shipped with Snow Leopard, then it will still boot in Snow Leopard.

The catch is finding a Snow Leopard restore disk for that particular model.

I bought a 2011 2.2ghz 4 core Macbook Pro a week ago for that very reason -so that I would have a Snow Leopard restore disk to go back to if I decided I didn't like Lion.

Turned out I DID decide to revert back to Snow Leopard, by the way.
 
pmz said:
Pretty good is even a bit of an exaggeration. Its still the same old windows, with a few UI tweaks, that are above and beyond, NOT GOOD.

I used Win7 for several months trying to give it a chance, and I ran it on a machine that was much faster than even the average fast PC, and it still sucks.

There is zero comparison between Mac OS and anything else. Even trying to claim otherwise is just an attempt at stirring up animosity. Its simply false.

Windows always has been, continues to be, and always will be, solely for people who don't know any better.

Today its for people who need "innernetz", but want the cheapest ugliest way of getting there.
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Something tells me you did it wrong. And I use the ignorance in your post as evidence. Actually I can't tell if you are being serious or not. So I will reserve all my insults until I find out for sure.
 
deggs37 said:
Something tells me you did it wrong. And I use the ignorance in your post as evidence. Actually I can't tell if you are being serious or not. So I will reserve all my insults until I find out for sure.
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Windows 7 or Windows 700 it still has same flaws. Just compare Control Panel and System Preferences. That's what ordinary people see and have to work with. Hell versus heaven.
 
robeddie said:
I would say yes, absolutely. As long as that is a model that originally shipped with Snow Leopard, then it will still boot in Snow Leopard.

The catch is finding a Snow Leopard restore disk for that particular model.

I bought a 2011 2.2ghz 4 core Macbook Pro a week ago for that very reason -so that I would have a Snow Leopard restore disk to go back to if I decided I didn't like Lion.

Turned out I DID decide to revert back to Snow Leopard, by the way.
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Usually we're good until the models change, like you say. I wouldn't put it past Apple to change something in the firmware that didn't allow 10.6 to boot properly.

We have an image for 10.6 so we don't need to worry about restore discs.
 
robeddie said:
I would say yes, absolutely. As long as that is a model that originally shipped with Snow Leopard, then it will still boot in Snow Leopard.

The catch is finding a Snow Leopard restore disk for that particular model.
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It doesn't have to be a SL disk for any particular model. Generic SL install disk will work just fine. I've got mine on a flash drive though ;)
 
Sky Blue said:
Usually we're good until the models change, like you say. I wouldn't put it past Apple to change something in the firmware that didn't allow 10.6 to boot properly.

We have an image for 10.6 so we don't need to worry about restore discs.
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But just to be clear ... if all you have is an original Snow Leopard 10.6.0 disk, then that will NOT boot the current Macbook Pro.

The current MBP Models originally shipped with a 10.6.6 install disk.

Any dot release install disk prior to that probably won't work.
 
Apple is the only company that is getting rid of optical drives and physical media.

You can say what you want about Apple, but they got balls...they are moving forward. Personally, I could count the times I used my optical drive on one hand in the last 3 years.

CD will be with the Floppy discs....soon.
 
robeddie said:
But just to be clear ... if all you have is an original Snow Leopard 10.6.0 disk, then that will NOT boot the current Macbook Pro.

The current MBP Models shipped with a 10.6.6 install disk.

Any dot release install disk prior to that probably won't work.
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We use an image, so we don't have a need for any discs.
 
pmz said:
There is zero comparison between Mac OS and anything else. Even trying to claim otherwise is just an attempt at stirring up animosity. Its simply false.

Windows always has been, continues to be, and always will be, solely for people who don't know any better.

Today its for people who need "innernetz", but want the cheapest ugliest way of getting there.
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Oh boy. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.
 
labaom said:
Wow them changing the keyboard to Mission Control officially ********* expose.... now there is no turning back. Dang it! I am moving back to Windows when SL isn't supported anymore...
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But what do you do with your iPhoto library, Garage Band projects, Numbers spread sheets and so on after moving to Windows?

Oh, well maybe all yu do with your computer is email and web surf? If so why bother with Windows buy an iPad.


BTW anyone who wants a Lion install DVD can have one legally and free. A DMG image is part of what you get when you download Lion from the app store. All you need to do is burn that to a DVD. Normally the install process deletes the image. re-download and save it and you will have an install disc.

But why bother? I assume people are making backups of their system disk. Boot from that then restore from Time Machine.
 
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