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That's what I meant, so why people still bother about the lack of the CD with the installer?

What good does the recovery partition do you if you are installing to another hard drive or if your hard drive fails though?
 
LMAO!

I love it when people abuse the term "philosophy" to try to sound smart, my philosophy is your philosophical point was non sense to begin with and calling it "philosophy" doesn't give it any more validity.

The analogy would've made more sense if ocean was changed to freshwater lake.
 
because hard drives break sometimes and then your recovery partition is useless.

Well in this case it your Mac is still under Apple Care there wouldn't be any problem: I think they'd replace the Hard Drive with a fresh installation.

Second, how many Mac models allow the HD replacement by the user?

I think that if you own a MacPro and you didn't buy Apple Care, and your HD becomes faulty after the 1st year, well THEN that might be a (small and solvable) problem.
 
The analogy would've made more sense if ocean was changed to freshwater lake.

As it's standing water, is there a chance of water-bourne disease?

Do I have any purification tablets? I need specifics!

:D


For the love of Oatmeal, people. What he's saying is that Windows 7 is an amazing OS in the Windows world- as in, people who do not use any other OS - because Windows users dont know any better! Do you all get it now? Geez! Do you all get it now? He's saying OS X is better!

I know, I just find it a very narrow-minded, untested view, and his analogy made no sense, I very much enjoyed seeing how annoyed he got when people called him out on it, and thought Id share.


I love how people say that there's no need for optical drives based on their use case. That's very ego centric.

Not everyone downloads music. Millions of people still buy CDs.

And, for example - many professionals like myself get media from clients on DVDs (b-roll) so that we can edit.

Internet bandwidth is great and all - but that doesn't mean I want to download 4-8 gigs of video footage all the time when it's much faster to get a dvd and rip it and/or copy the files over.

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3 Hours into this download, after this I can download the 16.7GB Expansion pack! I could have walked to the nearest Game Store (30 Miles) and back with the DVD in the time it'll take, (About 18 hours for both)

I personally think removing the Optical Drive is a tad premature, when the alternative isnt quite mature enough.
 
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I love how people say that there's no need for optical drives based on their use case. That's very ego centric.

Not everyone downloads music. Millions of people still buy CDs.

And, for example - many professionals like myself get media from clients on DVDs (b-roll) so that we can edit.

Internet bandwidth is great and all - but that doesn't mean I want to download 4-8 gigs of video footage all the time when it's much faster to get a dvd and rip it and/or copy the files over.

It's a bit clunky as well to have to have USB externals.

So for now - I, for one, am happy that optical drives are in the current models.

I'm not saying Apple isn't forward thinking. And they definitely want to head over into the post-PC era that Steve likes to talk about. But sometimes there are obstacles beyond Apple's control.

IE - Not everyone has internet/high speed. Which is why Apple is (smartly) offering Lion on USB. And which is why - even if MBP/etc go optical-less - there will be externals offered. It just pretty annoying that because a company deems it "dead" that there has to be work arounds employed.

All that being said - I have one of the new MBPs with LION pre-installed. I also have an iMac at home. And so far, there's little of LION's 250 features I personally am enjoying more/better than SL.
 
You don't have to purchase Apple's flash drive installation option if you've already purchased Lion from the app store. All you have to do is buy an 8GB flash drive from Best Buy or somewhere and copy the installation image to the drive using Disk Utility. Then you've only spent $20 or so extra instead of $69 extra.

the original file for lion is only 3.7GB so a 4 GB drive should suffice.
 
I love how people say that there's no need for optical drives based on their use case. That's very ego centric.

Not everyone downloads music. Millions of people still buy CDs.

And, for example - many professionals like myself get media from clients on DVDs (b-roll) so that we can edit.

Internet bandwidth is great and all - but that doesn't mean I want to download 4-8 gigs of video footage all the time when it's much faster to get a dvd and rip it and/or copy the files over.

It's a bit clunky as well to have to have USB externals.

So for now - I, for one, am happy that optical drives are in the current models.

I'm not saying Apple isn't forward thinking. And they definitely want to head over into the post-PC era that Steve likes to talk about. But sometimes there are obstacles beyond Apple's control.

IE - Not everyone has internet/high speed. Which is why Apple is (smartly) offering Lion on USB. And which is why - even if MBP/etc go optical-less - there will be externals offered. It just pretty annoying that because a company deems it "dead" that there has to be work arounds employed.

All that being said - I have one of the new MBPs with LION pre-installed. I also have an iMac at home. And so far, there's little of LION's 250 features I personally am enjoying more/better than SL.

Apple's efforts are also business-related and in their mind if you own their computers then you should buy from their stores.
Personally I don't buy CDs and DVDs and I imported all of my music to iTunes years ago.

You make a point about internet/high speed, but hey, then why one should buy a Mac? :) Apple doesn't care about those people, so what? Their devices are too much expensive for people without high speed! :D

My clients use USB Drives and I'm teaching them to use Dropbox (at least I stopped sending them emails with attachments, leaving just a link to the file on Dropbox)
 
Try drinking a few glasses of salt water and call me when you need a kidney transplant.
Kidney-friendly version: A glass of water is worth more in the desert than in the middle of a big lake.
And people keep cool in the desert by dressing in full clothes that block out sun and control body temperature, not by drinking water. Water is again to keep you hydrated, something you need to do at sea also.
Holy offtopic Batman.
 
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"Finally, Apple no longer includes restore discs of any sort"

I would like to throw out a big "I told you so" to someone, but it is going to take time to dig through the thread.
 
I love how people say that there's no need for optical drives based on their use case. That's very ego centric.

Not everyone downloads music. Millions of people still buy CDs.

And, for example - many professionals like myself get media from clients on DVDs (b-roll) so that we can edit.

Internet bandwidth is great and all - but that doesn't mean I want to download 4-8 gigs of video footage all the time when it's much faster to get a dvd and rip it and/or copy the files over.

It's a bit clunky as well to have to have USB externals.

So for now - I, for one, am happy that optical drives are in the current models.

I'm not saying Apple isn't forward thinking. And they definitely want to head over into the post-PC era that Steve likes to talk about. But sometimes there are obstacles beyond Apple's control.

IE - Not everyone has internet/high speed. Which is why Apple is (smartly) offering Lion on USB. And which is why - even if MBP/etc go optical-less - there will be externals offered. It just pretty annoying that because a company deems it "dead" that there has to be work arounds employed.

Teh Steve has OC-192 to his house, so why don't you? It's only a few thousand $ per month! Why would I need an OS boot disk anyway? I don't want one on a USB stick either, dammit! If my drive gets corrupted, there is an Apple store 45 minutes away by car, less by Gulfstream jet. Everyone has one of those, so what's the big deal? No bootable media! Why would you even expect to receive bootable media (either optical or USB) with a $2,000 laptop?
 
Well in this case it your Mac is still under Apple Care there wouldn't be any problem: I think they'd replace the Hard Drive with a fresh installation.

Second, how many Mac models allow the HD replacement by the user?

I think that if you own a MacPro and you didn't buy Apple Care, and your HD becomes faulty after the 1st year, well THEN that might be a (small and solvable) problem.

Is AppleCare the thing you buy that's like a warranty except you have to take it to an Apple Store and aren't allowed to mail it in?

Because that would suck for anyone around here since the nearest apple store is 4 hours away.
 
Second, how many Mac models allow the HD replacement by the user?

In the past few years, I've upgraded the hard drive at least once in all my recent macbook pro's, macbooks, mac mini and iMac,

I used the guides on iFixit and it wasn't that hard on any of the machines.

For instance, when I saw I could get a 1TB laptop drive for $89, I didn't hesitate to buy it and install it in my 2010 macbook pro. And when 2TB drives come out, I'll probably upgrade again.

So, yes, pretty much all Macs have upgradeable hard drives. And YES, I find it very useful to be able to do so.
 
69$ for a USB Stick with Lion is a bit rich....

49$ as an absolute maximum price would be "fair"....

39$ would be just right....
 
Mission Control IS Expose (mixed with spaces).
Mission Control is all-application-windows-Exposé + a new applications-Exposé, the all-windows-Exposé is gone. If you have 2+ windows in application A and 2+ windows in application B, you can no longer view these four windows side-by-side, you only get two 'stacks' of windows for each application. That is my biggest annoyance with Lion.
(The Address Book which breaks numerous generic UI conventions for the sake of mimicking a physical book (eg, search box on the right) and the lack of colour are number two and three.)
 
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During that time, apple continue to sell the infrared remote with the iMac and say that we can use it with front row. :confused:
 
Use recovery partition

I ordered the 15" MBP the day Lion was announced and received it yesterday, along with a Crucial M4 512GB SSD and 8GB G.Skill RAM. I upgraded the Crucial SSD to firmware 0002 to fix a reported LPM issue with Early 2011 MacBook Pro's (at least with some users).

My MBP came with Lion preinstalled and the Lion keyboard as described in the above article.

Installing Lion on the SSD was a snap. Connect the SSD via a USB cable (I have a SATA dock for this purpose). Boot MBP with Command-R for recovery. On existing machines, Lion creates a 650MB recovery partition on the hard drive, hidden from normal utilities. You can see it from the Terminal/command line with 'diskutil list'.

From the recovery menu, select Disk Utility and create a single GUID partition (or as needed, create more). Then quit back to the main recovery menu and select OS X Reinstall. After about an hour, the SSD has a fresh from the factory copy of Lion on it. I migrated my accounts/applications from the internal HDD. Then I proceeded to swap the hard drive and RAM.

It booted perfectly into the new SSD (now internal). Typing 'diskutil list' at the command line showed that Lion created a recovery partition on the SSD as well, so this process can be repeated.
 
Well in this case it your Mac is still under Apple Care there wouldn't be any problem: I think they'd replace the Hard Drive with a fresh installation.

Second, how many Mac models allow the HD replacement by the user?

I think that if you own a MacPro and you didn't buy Apple Care, and your HD becomes faulty after the 1st year, well THEN that might be a (small and solvable) problem.

I refer back to my earlier post. I unintentionally erased the hard drive. There's nothing wrong with it - I just accidentally erased the drive because I had the wrong job selected on my deployment server. Yes, carelessness on my part, but not remotely unprecedented. At this point, I now have to go through AppleCare to get this rectified, something I could have easily handled myself had I had installation media.

As for how many Mac models: The hard drives in the MacBook Pro and Mac Pro are customer replaceable units.
 
You make a point about internet/high speed, but hey, then why one should buy a Mac? :) Apple doesn't care about those people, so what? Their devices are too much expensive for people without high speed! :D

So you are saying Apple wants to not cater to those people? Seems kind of dumb if true, (not you) but Apple saying no to a buyer that would gladly give them a sale? Make every ****** penny you can, and its a lot of pennies on any Mac a person buys. Lot of pennies.

Teh Steve has OC-192 to his house, so why don't you? It's only a few thousand $ per month! Why would I need an OS boot disk anyway? I don't want one on a USB stick either, dammit! If my drive gets corrupted, there is an Apple store 45 minutes away by car, less by Gulfstream jet. Everyone has one of those, so what's the big deal? No bootable media! Why would you even expect to receive bootable media (either optical or USB) with a $2,000 laptop?

I wish Steve would just start a youtube channel so we could see exactly how to do things. How he uses a computer, takes a piss, poops. Cooks, bangs his wife etc... so we could know how it is done properly. How he holds his phone would be interesting I am honestly curious about that one.

+ a lot of his fanboys would love to him naked I am sure. :p He is afterall the greatest mind that ever existed...ever.
 
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