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Honest question. Haven't worn a welding mask in a while. Can you really see your unlocked iPhone and use it through a welding mask?

When I am welding it is imperative I can get the latest sports scores and animoji from my friends on demand.

I am not sure how the technology works I only care that this is the end result. Hope my answer helps.
 
No it cannot. You need to have your eyes opened.

This, I don't know why people keep missing this. If your eyes aren't open and you aren't actively giving your attention to the device, it won't unlock. Yeah, facial scans are not new for security, but Apple's take on it truly is awesome.

Whether or not it's a viable replacement for TouchID is yet to be determined, but I will absolutely be giving FaceID a chance when I get my iPhone X.
 
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Lets not forget the phone requires a passcode after two failed attempts for FaceID. If your phone is in the hands of the police, you better believe multiple officers/attempts will be made to try to open it, and they will lock it on themselves.


Please stop this Internet fake news. What you are describing isn't allowed by law. One more time, the police would need probably cause that a crime had been committed and that you had committed it. They would then need to go to a judge and apply for a search warrant under oath. If a judge agreed that the evidence against you amounted to probable cause, then he or she would issue a search warrant allowing the police to search your phone. So no, a police officer can't just walk up to you on the street or a traffic stop and grab your phone and hold it to your face or against your fingers or demand your pass code. That would be illegal and unconstitutional. You, of course, can voluntarily allow anyone to search your phone.

Thanks for helping end this myth. Next, we are debunking the "cat in the microwave" myth.
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Would putting the touch id in the back be less of a trade off than this facegate? I actually don't mind the new tech but I feel that you necessarily don't have to take two steps back to take a step forward. I know people would have moaned about touch id in the back anyway but still a better compromise.
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Craig could address animojis and his favorite turd emoji but not an important security feature?

To be fair, that was Jony's poop.
 
So many people worried about cops makes me wonder the kind of people on this forum. :p.
The type of people who care deeply about privacy, security, and freedom. The people who say "If you've got nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." are setting themselves up for a future where every single thing we do is monitored and available for public scrutiny. I don't fancy the government being up in my business 24/7. My only offense is a single speeding ticket many years ago because my narcissistic mother stole my car (paid for myself) to run errands before I left home for college orientation and I was trying my best to turn over a new leaf and start a new life for myself outside of their unhealthy influence. The future is only bright if we make it bright. If we sit on the sidelines we get what we deserve. But my children don't deserve it, so I fight for them. Nothing is guaranteed, and there are many people out there in positions of power who would take away our freedom if given the opportunity. Look no further than illegal searches at checkpoints within 100 miles of the US border to see the kind of atrocities that Americans have to suffer. I don't want my daughter to suffer vaginal exams by male officers as some of these women have had to endure. Freedom is always on the verge of being snuffed out—never forget that. It is delicate, and valuable, and therefore must be treated with respect.
 
All these innovations - I'm surprised Apple doesn't offer a robust multi-factor authentication feature for the paranoid. FaceID/TouchID + passphrase. As a failsafe, passphrase + token code sent to another device.
 
All these innovations - I'm surprised Apple doesn't offer a robust multi-factor authentication feature for the paranoid. FaceID/TouchID + passphrase. As a failsafe, passphrase + token code sent to another device.
The average iOS owner doesn't even understand how iCloud works. You think they will use this complicated rigmarole? Lol nope.

You and I would, sure, so the option to do so would be nice though.
 
Honestly , the thief in question can take your finger and force you to put it on the touch id. Face ID , Touch ID ... if you're being robbed - chances are- they'll get you to open your phone.

Yeah... These "the sky is falling" what-ifs about FaceId remind me of when TouchId was introduced a few years ago.

Yeah, yeah, but what if, you know, some criminal were to accost you, take your iPhone, and then cut off your thumb with a knife to unlock your phone? What then Apple???

Dollars to donuts that didn't happen even once. People here get so hysterically ridiculous coming up with these insane what-ifs.
 
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When I am welding it is imperative I can get the latest sports scores and animoji from my friends on demand.

I am not sure how the technology works I only care that this is the end result. Hope my answer helps.

Haha fair enough!
 
Ha! What else are they supposed to say when they just went all-in on it as the ONLY option on the iPhone X?

If Face ID turns out to be a giant fail it will be interesting to see how they spin the giant crow they will have to eat.

The horse is dead. Stop beating it.
 
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Why dont they mention that stuff at the keynote to avoid crique in the first place? Such details are what we want to hear!

We? You mean idiots that don't realise that Apple test allot of canaries unlike other companies like Samsung that just spits out products just for the sake of being first on the market.
 
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Q: "What will prevent a thief from taking my phone, pointing it at my face, and running?"

A: "There are two mitigations: if you don't stare at your phone, it won't unlock. Also, if you grip the buttons on both sides of the phone when you hand it over, it will temporarily disable FaceID."

I didn't really find solace in Craig's answer to be honest. "Don't stare at it" isn't good enough, as that places responsibility on the victim to be conscious of their actions while a theft or confiscation is taking place. Most will try to get their phone back- likely, while looking at their phone in the other person's hands.

His second answer- using the buttons- also isn't good enough as it's a preventative action, but who knows when a theft or confiscation is going to occur? Once again placing responsibility back on the victim.

PS: I like FaceID, but Apple really needs to go back and think this one through. Maybe by using a TouchID built into the power button for future models.


You can relax. Take a breath. You are responding to internet myths. Stop and think about what you are fearful about. A thief or robber has taken your phone, which is rarely done nowadays as they have no value to most thieves and are seen as a risk (tracking, etc.), but let's stay with your scenario and this thief that has grabbed your phone, you posit that they are going to stand there in a middle of a robbery and turn it toward you and you are going to stand there and stare at it in the middle of a robbery. And then they are going to do what? What do people do now when their wallet or phone is stolen? See? Nothing to worry about, back to streaming GOT.
 
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Holy hell. Many sympathies but maybe consider some alternate life choices. I realize you probably can't carry a firearm like in America but maybe a different neighborhood would help?

Certainly don't blame you for handing the phone over. No material item is worth your life.

Thanks for the sympathy. Both incidents happened abroad when I was walking home from work at night. Took a shortcut through a park, shouldn't have done that. The second time was a bit more complicated, but lessons were learned that night as well.

And yeah, a gun would be out of the question here. My main tactic of self defence is to impersonate a homeless person, right down to the smell. Works like a charm thus far!

And lastly, you are correct. Insurance will cover the goods lost to the robber most of the time. My life, not so much.
 
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Apple expects the consumer to remain calm and not look at the phone while it's being stolen. I hope I won't do it wrong.

Unless they point a gun at you and demand you open your eyes and look at the phone.

Then there's the theft of the phone by a pick pocket. You don't know you're phone's been lifted, so when somebody says "hey you" and you look up and they're holding your phone up to your face which you look directly at, you may not even realize what's happened until they are long gone with your unlocked phone.

So yeah, it's a little easier to unlock than Touch ID which requires a finger to unlock. The idea that Federighi is even implying that you don't look at the iPhone in a potentially life-threading situation is ridiculous. Give them the phone, unlock it, and don't try any shenanigans, like disabling biometrics with some fancy finger work. Chances are a savvy thief is going to know what you're doing and that will make him very angry.
 
most people who steal phones just want to steal it they never have any plans to get you to unlock the device.
THIS.

There are two types of thieves - the first one just wants your phone so they can erase it and sell it. The second type wants to access your data, for example those bad, bad law enforcement people that constantly go around and pressure good, law-abiding people to unlock their phones for no reason whatsoever, because apparently they've nothing better to do. Or so CNN tells me.

Apparently many, many people concerned about the second type and about encryption, security, etc. are so deluded they believe everyone wants access to their Facebook posts, drunken selfies/food photos, and access to their checking account that has $35.22 in it, so nothing but the best technology will do.

We all want to be James Bond, I guess.
 
Please stop this Internet fake news. What you are describing isn't allowed by law. One more time, the police would need probably cause that a crime had been committed and that you had committed it. They would then need to go to a judge and apply for a search warrant under oath. If a judge agreed that the evidence against you amounted to probable cause, then he or she would issue a search warrant allowing the police to search your phone. So no, a police officer can't just walk up to you on the street or a traffic stop and grab your phone and hold it to your face or against your fingers or demand your pass code. That would be illegal and unconstitutional. You, of course, can voluntarily allow anyone to search your phone.

Thanks for helping end this myth. Next, we are debunking the "cat in the microwave" myth.

Perhaps you misread my post. I understand the constitutionality of the issue as it relates to the 4th and 5th amendments for physical passcodes vs biometric authentication (see link).

I made no mention of a warrant. I was only talking about if an officer has probable cause and arrests/detains you, searches you and looks at your locked phone a couple of times, it will then require a passcode. In my eyes it is easily plausible for this to happen.
 
I still don't see any real benefit over Touch ID.

They've replaced it with something that's more convenient in some and less convenient in other ways, works slower and has more potential of someone else unlocking it against your will.

Not saying Face ID sucks, but shouldn't the new thing be significantly better and not just different and for many people even worse?

Did you even read the article or do you always just make crap up?
 
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