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Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition
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And I feel sorrier for you.....as Samsung heads into the Era of bendable/foldable phones, you will look on and be amazed by true innovation. Enjoy the ugly iphone X ....and that notch of death.
From that first link:
Emphasis added (and by the way, how about that patent?)
From the second one:
Also worth noting that the link you posted earlier was the last in time, meaning that as of July, the best information (according to Kuo, who now says otherwise) is that they were going for Touch ID and failing in those efforts.
So yes, there were rumors in more than one direction prior to the announcement. But, I think the majority of those rumors pointed to Apple wanting to implement Touch ID under the glass and failing in that attempt. We may never know for sure, but I'm sure as hell skeptical about this new narrative, which just happens to make Apple's much-maligned decision to omit Touch ID look deliberate instead of something they were forced into. Classic PR spin: we can't make it work, so we'll tell you that you never needed it anyway.
Nope, you're doing it wrong then.
You do NOT need to double tap your home button. You simply hold your phone to the payment reader with your finger resting on the home button and your card comes on screen automatically and pays instantly. I has never, in all my time using ApplePay, used the double press option.
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That's a ridiculously high level view. That's more like the idiots guide (or modern day Apple apologist guide).
I detailed the actual steps, not the commercialised "sequences accelerated" version.
There's extra steps, that's a cold, hard fact. People like you are why Apple get away with slacking on the UX.
You mean the steps where you purposely inflated on one side to fit your argument?
With Touch ID, ApplePay activates immediately as it reaches the NFC terminal. There is no need to do anything other than hold the device to the terminal with your finger on the home button.
That's the facts of the matter. Quit taking it so personally. Don't like the facts, don't reply. Nothing has been "inflated", it's how it is.
You literally added “pulling out the phone” as a step to just the FaceID scenario and convieniently left it omitted from the TouchID scenario. As if TouchID magically takes the phone out of your pocket for you.
Oh please, that's your defence? That's the source of your raging injustice?
Touch ID: take phone out and hold to NFC reader with your finger on the home button. Phone detects the reader instantly, opens ApplePay and the payment goes through. It's a two second job.
With Face ID you need to double tap the power button to bring up your card on ApplePay, look at the Face ID sensor then put your phone to NFC reader.
With Touch ID you do NOT need to double press that button, therefore Face ID is a longer process.
Someone with Touch ID will pay with ApplePay quicker than someone with Face ID, it's that simple.
Not nessecerilly. You can pre queue Apple Pay as you’re finalizing your order and pay just as quick from the time the terminal is ready to accept payment. You’re only assuming that someone doesn’t begin any of the process until the terminal is active and waiting for the tap. I do this all the time currently, my phone is ready before the terminal is ready for a tap. FaceID will not change that.
The only spin I see are people trying desperately to trash Apple by making it appear they had to “settle” for FaceID.
BTW, your attempt to show Apple wanted to do fingerprint under the screen just because they had a patent on it is seriously flawed. Apple, like any company, spends significant R&D on various technologies. And like any company, they apply for patents on technologies that arise from that R&D spending. This includes technology they never plan on using. There are literally hundreds of patents Apple has received that never make it into their products. The same would hold true for Samsung or any other company with significant R&D expenditures.
Everyone keeps saying it was apple that was so far ahead on this technology, but IIRC they purchased it. Yes. they may have put it into mass production, but it wasn't theirs until they bought it. I remember it was a unique solution because it used radio wave to scan for the fingerprint.
Edit: Apple purchases AuthenTec
In a separate note, Kuo says Samsung has decided to integrate a compact image sensor (CIS) design instead of a "CIS+independent light emitter" arrangement for a sub-screen fingerprint solution set to debut in its Galaxy Note 9, due out in the second half of 2018
Can you say with certainty that Apple didn’t put more money and R&D into it once purchased? Basically using it as a foundation to develop further on and then release a better version of what they initially bought?
The Gen 2 version of TouchID released in the 6s definitely was a result in that.
I know you don’t need to, but it’s quicker to do so. As I said in my post, There is a delay of 2 seconds of bringing your phone up to the reader and Apple Pay screen coming up. I lift phone out of pocket and double tap on the way up card gets processed in less than a second.
Trust me, when you are getting on the tube you feel a right idiot stopping the flow of people for what seems like a good while while the phone goes through all the processes. It’s just as quick with a quick double tap ogythe home button. Then it becomes just as fast as a contactless payment card.
If you have a single card or a default card you use for almost everything this is true. But if you keep multiple cards and pick which one to use, then the steps are literally exactly the same for TouchID and FaceID.
FaceID is superior for drive-thrus. Rather than having to hold my iPhone out the window in one hand AND trying to keep a finger on the home button for TouchID (which is precarious), you authorize your iPhone with FaceID and THEN hold your iPhone out the window to the terminal while maintaining a firm grip. This is why I prefer my Apple Watch for drive-thrus as opposed to my iPhone.
Further, I’ve discovered my Apple Watch is actually faster than my iPhone on many terminals. I don’t know why, but there are certain terminals where I rest my iPhone to pay and it doesn’t accept it right away. I have to lift my finger and place it again, or lift my entire iPhone and place it again for the transaction to go through. With my Apple Watch, after I double tap the side button to initiate Apple Pay and hold it to the terminal it processes immediately.
The only thing I can think of is with my Watch I’m telling it that I’ll be tapping it to pay and it’s ready to go. When holding your iPhone it first has to pick up the NFC signal, decide if it’s valid (a terminal and not another NFC device), check TouchID to authorize and finally communicate with the terminal. I think the timing of all these is what sometimes causes my iPhone to have a delay that my Apple Watch never has.
So if Apple Pay with FaceID is as fast and reliable as my Apple Watch, then I don’t mind pressing the side button.
Edited: I’ve never tried the alternate method of paying with my iPhone (double pressing Home and pre-authorizing your fingerprint). I’ve always just used the “hold your finger on the Home button while tapping your iPhone). I’m going to switch to this method at the stores I’ve noticed slow response to see if it’s as fast as my Apple Watch.
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This is just a hot-air assertion. Apps are generally identical across both platforms.
No they aren’t. For popular Apps like Facebook they are good on both platforms. Once you get out of the “top ten” iOS pulls way ahead.
Your reply shows you are clueless about technology! FaceID has nothing to do with dodgy 2d camera facial recognition!
I didn’t forget anything, you didn’t read my message carefully and thus penned a silly, irrelevant reply. The Galaxy S5 was not Imprint Compliant, it just used some half-baked Samsung system.
When Google decided to introduce fingerprint authentication in the Android API as a supported standard, they listed precise requirements, and the TEE model was one of them. This is similar to what Apple calls the “secure enclave”, but the idea wasn’t invented by Apple either. The model existed long before, I worked on chips having security modules with own secure storage and challenge/response mechanisms in 2002.
Some silly people here claim that Apple is the only one with a secure fingerprint authentification system. That’s false. All Imprint-compliant smartphones, which is virtually all of them at this stage, have an equally secure fingerprint implementation.
You sure like to speak in absolutes without any proof. I’ll be waiting for your detailed explanation of each system and your evidence to show they are, as you claim, equally secure.
Yes they are. I’m a heavy user, I have quite a lot of apps (email, communication, transport, music, banking) and they all are nearly identical to the iOS counterparts.
I haven’t seen in fact any apps that are substantially different. They probably exist, but that’s no reason to believe iOS is better.
For starters, core features, like Google Assistant, wipe the floor with the Apple equivalent. Then the most useful apps I have are the Google ones, and on Android they are better integrated in subtle ways with each other and the OS.
Yet when I ask you to provide some specific Apps for me to try on my Android devices, you come up with a lame excuse why you don’t need to. Are you afraid I’m going to load them up and try them out and discover they’re not as good as you claim?
I get it - you’re a simple user who’s happy with the basic Apps everyone uses. But that doesn’t mean everyone else is the same. Like having powerful Apps that take advantage of Apples vastly superior processors (unlike Android where those octa-core processors are nothing but marketing BS).