Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition

[formerpc]

I want my son's Commodore 64 back---

No headphone jack was big mistake according to some. But, now Pixel 2 has none.

I doubt I am buying a new iphone and never gave much thought to Face ID. But, lately I am seeing times when I wish I had it.

I didn't want to give up 8 tracks either, but would not go back.

Just because something is abandoned doesn't automatically mean it was a good decision.
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Wow didn't know that was there, just set it. Thanks

It was a big deal to me too, so I was happy to learn this setting existed. I'm currently on 10.3.2 and loving it. Holding out on 11 for battery drain, 3D Touch, and Control Center issues to be resolved.

 

[Pilgrim1099]

Then why did they just add Touch ID to the MacBooks? Next gen they getting rid of it?

Bingo! That's part of my problem with Apple's BS hypocrisy here. If people think Face ID is worth $1,000, they are sadly mistaken. It's sheer stupidity. Using Face ID to charge $1,000 is a BS excuse by Apple to premium-fy the product.

 

[BvizioN]

Kinda silly no?

iphone SE offers headphone jack and touchid. Sold by Apple.....to this day.....

Given Apple still sells products with headphones jacks, touchid , and they sell he SuperDrive ...... is it the consumer or apple that are confused?

Can't blame the consumer when Apple
Cannot get their story straight across its computer range.....

Imagine the same ports.....across idevices , laptops and desktop...... amazing user experience that seems to getting worse year by year from Apple. Seems only dongles unit all the products.....yup roll eyes

SE was introduced before iPhone 7 (which was first iPhone without 3.5mm)
Yes, laptops and iPads do still have it for now...but believe me when I say, not for long.
Apple does not make devices with optical drive anymore. Finito. Capish?
Touch ID is good but I wish people would not dismiss something before even using it. If face ID is as good as they make it to be then screw Touch ID. No need for tons of technologies that do same thing. Only need the best.

 

[cmaier]

Bingo! That's part of my problem with Apple's BS hypocrisy here. If people think Face ID is worth $1,000, they are sadly mistaken. It's sheer stupidity. Using Face ID to charge $1,000 is a BS excuse by Apple to premium-fy the product.

“FaceID is worth a thousand dollars” is a straw man. You start with the price difference between iPhone 8 plus with comparable memory and iPhone x. Then you subtract out the price of other upgrades (oled, better front camera, etc). What you’re left with is the price of faceID. It’s a lot less than a thousand dollars.

 

[melendezest]

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and having both Face ID and Touch ID simply means that your phone is only as secure as the least secure means of authentication (which is Touch ID in this case).

That's just not the way Apple operates, and this is what sets Apple apart from the rest of the competition. A company like Samsung just crams a veritable array of unlock methods into their phone, all of them with their share of shortcomings. Pattern unlock is easy to crack, fingerprint sensor is in an awkward location, and iris scanner is easy to fool. It's really feature bloat for the sake of ticking off a checklist. At the end of the day, your phone isn't necessarily more secure despite having 5 different unlocking options to choose from.

Meanwhile, Apple spares no expense at perfecting Face ID so it can serve as a viable upgrade to Touch ID. Sure, you have one, but it will be the best one Apple can offer. When the iPhone X is released, I think it's going to be clear just how superior Face ID is to Samsung's iris scanner technology. And I am excited to see how facial recognition plays into other Apple technologies, such as health tracking.

That is courage. That is Apple.

Apple can keep their "courage". In their language, it is directly associated with removal.

Apple had the courage to destroy everything that attracted me to their platform: from the Mac Pro, to sealing up machines, to not being able to revert software versions that came with my device, to soldering RAM and SSDs (!) on ALL portables, to requiring dongles for EVERY.DAMN.THING.

I hope companies like Samsung continue to have real courage, continue to think different, and continue go against the "remove, Remove, REMOVE" trend that has taken Apple over. I for one welcome the "everything but the kitchen sink" approach. My Note8 is the most kickass smartphone I've ever used, and its combination of features is second to NONE, all in a sexy, attractive package and ZERO compromises (yes it has a headphone jack). Sammy has turned me into a Note fanboy with this device. If it had a removable battery, it'd be perfect.

What you call "bloat" here, I call "choice" and "freedom". Realistically speaking, if someone wants to get into your device, they will. The only real secure option is a complex password stored in your mind. Everything else is for convenience's sake. And FaceID is no more convenient than anything else out there.

All that said, FaceID is impressive on paper and it IS evidence of Apple innovation, despite the epic fail on the Keynote which shows it's limitations. It is exciting to think where the tech could be going, although I'll be happy for other companies to follow Apple here and maybe even teach them a thing or two, so long as it is not at the expense of choice, like it always is for Apple.

 

[formerpc]

do whatever makes you happy

Like belittling others because they have a different opinion?

 

[deanthedev]

This. With any biometric you need to touch the screen or take some affirmative action to express intent. In other words, my phone can be absolutely sure it’s me (using biometrics) but just because I’m me doesn’t mean I agree to purchase that in-app purchase, or that I want my phone to unlock, or that I agree to the amount on the register and want the Apple Pay transaction to happen. So I have to do something to tell the phone “yeah, go ahead with that action.” Seems like the two choices are to touch the device (press a button, tap or swipe the screen, etc) or voice command. TouchID is great because in the process of expressing my intent, the biometric id transparently happens. It’s a single action.

With faceID you have to look at the device (or, even if you turn off “attention,” at a minimum orient the device so it can see your face) and then express intent using a different technique (which varies depending on what you are trying to do).
On the “face of it” this doesn’t seem like an improvement.

I’ll reserve judgment until I have an iPhone x in hand, but I’m concerned.

I’ll repeat my explanation I posted the last time you brought this up.

If I launch an App that requires TouchID (like my banking App) I need to perform 2 distinct actions. I first have to press the App icon to launch the App, THEN I have to wait for the TouchID dialog box and press the Home button for TouchID to authorize. With FaceID this gets reduced to a single action - launching the App by tapping the icon. While the App launches it can use FaceID to authorize because you’re already looking at your screen. So two steps gets reduced to one. This is also great for one-handed operation as you don’t have to make an awkward movement to use TouchID.

If I buy something (like from the App Store) it’s again two actions. I press the Buy button and THEN the Home button to authorize TouchID. Now the Buy button can’t just go ahead and initiate the purchase with FaceID because I could accidentally buy something just by touching it. So for purchases you need an additional step. My guess is 3D Touch in the Buy button. Do the Peek to start and press harder (Pop) to purchase. Or 3D Touch to bring up the menu with a Buy button. Either way prevents accidental purchases and both are slightly quicker than TouchID as your finger is already there (no need to move to the Home button).

 

[DNichter]

I’m not surprised by this. Apple did the same thing with Touch ID and their A series processors. They’ve now jumped even further ahead with their TrueDepth camera and Face ID.

 

[HEK]

Very unfortunate, there is still a future to underscreen fingerprint sensors.

That’s what they said about buggy whips and flip phones.
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View attachment 724128 When there's a will there's a way.

I love it
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I've come to the realization that Apple has carefully crafted their Reality distortion field to follow a very American style "win at all cost" mentality.

That means, there can only be 1 way to do anything, and that way is the right way and that way is the winning way. Apple pushes this message and this mentality regularly.

its manifesting itself now again with the faceID v ToucHID. FaceID is not a bad thing. adding more security options is great for us as the user. And I get there was a technical limitation here preventing touchID.

But to suddenly think that there can only be FaceID or TouchID and not both? I don't understand why people think this way. if Apple can figure out to have both, we all win. So why do so many people jump immediately ot Apple's defense here and say "FACEID IS BETTER (without usign it), so TouchID is now garbage and so ancient!"

anyone who is currently attacking touchID in favour of FaceID is following Apple marketing hook line and sinker, since faceID isn't even in users hands yet.

I love it. Blame Apple for Android Samsung copying. Too rich LMAO

 

[melendezest]

This is heading to the following.....

I want my headphone jack and I will keep my headphone jack
I want my optical drive and I will keep my optical drive
I want my flash player and I will keep my flash player
I want my floppy disc and I will keep my floppy disc

Yeah man....do whatever makes you happy

You can omit the floppy disc trope.

Everything else is still HEAVILY in use, so yes, it all applies.

Even Apple still supplies a headphone jack and optical drive, not to mention Ethernet, USB-A, etc... as DONGLES.

Sadly, for me what that means is:

I want my Apple but I'm leaving it for someone that gives me what I want.

Apple isn't losing sleep over it, so it's all good I guess.

 

[cmaier]

I’ll repeat my explanation I posted the last time you brought this up.

If I launch an App that requires TouchID (like my banking App) I need to perform 2 distinct actions. I first have to press the App icon to launch the App, THEN I have to wait for the TouchID dialog box and press the Home button for TouchID to authorize. With FaceID this gets reduced to a single action - launching the App by tapping the icon. While the App launches it can use FaceID to authorize because you’re already looking at your screen. So two steps gets reduced to one. This is also great for one-handed operation as you don’t have to make an awkward movement to use TouchID.

If I buy something (like from the App Store) it’s again two actions. I press the Buy button and THEN the Home button to authorize TouchID. Now the Buy button can’t just go ahead and initiate the purchase with FaceID because I could accidentally buy something just by touching it. So for purchases you need an additional step. My guess is 3D Touch in the Buy button. Do the Peek to start and press harder (Pop) to purchase. Or 3D Touch to bring up the menu with a Buy button. Either way prevents accidental purchases and both are slightly quicker than TouchID as your finger is already there (no need to move to the Home button).

Except it doesn’t work like that. The in-app faceID interface is identical to TouchID. They substituted in new GUI, but it behaves the same. You have to initiate the biometric by tapping the screen. (Eg for a bank app). For buying in app it used to be tap to buy then touch home. Now it’s tap to buy, put phone in faceID position and look at screen, and tap to confirm. But these are not the cases I refer to. But even in these cases it certainly seems like an extra step.

 

[HEK]

Are people ever happy?
I want a headphone jack!!!
I don't want a headphone jack!!!!
I want touch ID!!!
I don't want touch ID!!
I don't want face recognition ID!!
I want face recognition ID!!

I personally want my iPod classic with a 1TB SSD that gets past the 30,000 song limit.

The simple answer is NO

 

[bambooshots]

I hope this works well.

Unfortunately, no one here knows how this will work in reality and how easy/practical it is.

For me, it's how you need to hold/look/position the phone that will be the killer.
And perhaps there needs to be more than one sensor ?

Having to DELIBERATELY hold the phone to your face, See the unlock icon move and then it works is a FAIL.
It needs to work invisibly, from any angle, take the phone out our pocket and as soon as you face comes into view any any angle/distance the phone is unlocked for you, is a WINNER.

It's going to be interesting to see just how deliberate you need to hold the phone in front for it to work when real members of the public get it.

Looking forward to seeing this in the real world

You have no idea how it works.

Give it a shot before discounting it.

 

[formerpc]

Some of you on here either don’t get it or are hard headed. Touch ID was and is not perfect. If your fingers are sweaty or wet, or if the phone itself is wet etc, Touch ID did not work. With Face ID, it’s going to work with your face no matter any of those scenarios. In some cases, some old people don’t even have finger prints (not a joke), but their faces will work as well. Face ID is the future.

Unless the glass over the camera is foggy or wet, which will distort the image and probably prevent it from working. What about if I'm having a bad day and my face is not in the "neutral-happy" pose it was in when I setup Face ID?

 

[cmaier]

Unless the glass over the camera is foggy or wet, which will distort the image and probably prevent it from working. What about if I'm having a bad day and my face is not in the "neutral-happy" pose it was in when I setup Face ID?

To be fair, Touch ID doesn’t work wet either.

And from everything that has been reported, facial expression doesn’t matter.

 

[formerpc]

You have no idea how it works.

Give it a shot before discounting it.

One doesn't need to try something to know they won't like it. Take smores with anchovies as an example.

 

[HEK]

This is like my issues with my Daily Workplace.
I have been accused of unwilling to change. But that's not true whatsoever.
My problems are generally the changes are for the worse.
What was easy is not difficult.
What was quick, now takes longer.
Over all my years at my workplace, pretty much every change that has bee imposed upon me, has made things I do harder, slower, more difficult and frustrating.
And they you are accused to moaning about things.

I, and I'm sure everyone else is generally 100% behind a change that makes something better.
It's when something is made worse then we have a issue.

Computers will make life easier, faster and more pleasant. There will be less printing needed.

Gotcha. Fooled everyone. Total lie

 

[vertsix]

is everyone forgetting that samsung was the first to implement non-biometric authentication with their iris scanning last year?

 

[formerpc]

To be fair, Touch ID doesn’t work wet either.

And from everything that has been reported, facial expression doesn’t matter.

The other post I quoted seemed to imply that Face ID will work all of the time, so I was just offering a similar scenario in which Face ID might not work.

 

[BvizioN]

yes, it all applies.

Even Apple still supplies a headphone jack and optical drive, not to mention Ethernet, USB-A, etc... as DONGLES.

Oh yeah, because Apple should stop selling everything it had already produced before just because it made new models that lack certain ancient technology. Because that’s what you would do, right?

 

[HEK]

SE was introduced before iPhone 7 (which was first iPhone without 3.5mm)
Yes, laptops and iPads do still have it for now...but believe me when I say, not for long.
Apple does not make devices with optical drive anymore. Finito. Capish?
Touch ID is good but I wish people would not dismiss something before even using it. If face ID is as good as they make it to be then screw Touch ID. No need for tons of technologies that do same thing. Only need the best.

Never happens. People hate change. Why I remember back when I was younger and someone introduced cooked meat. You should have heard all the complaining. Raw meat tastes better. It’s healthier for you. Why burn perfectly good meat. On and on it went. Why even today some people still eat steak Tatar.

 

[Taipan]

Haha. Lemmings

 

[R3DH3R0]

is everyone forgetting that samsung was the first to implement non-biometric authentication with their iris scanning last year?

Nokia 950 had this.

 

[HEK]

is everyone forgetting that samsung was the first to implement non-biometric authentication with their iris scanning last year?

We didn’t forget. Samsung introduces things that work half assed and are easily defeated. Apple works on it till it is functional and works robustly improving it even more over next several phones committing whole hog with no options. You gonna love it as most always do or you go elsewhere. It’s the way things work. Nothing new here.

 

[macTW]

People have a hard time with change, even if it’s better and more secure.