Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition

[iZac]

Perhaps Apple was intentionally spreading rumours and about their desire to use under-screen Touch ID as a misdirect to their competitors?

But probably not - if they could have implemented it under the entire display it would have been killer. Expect to see it in the iPhone X2

 

[Labeno]

Windows 3.11 forever! :Roll eyes:

And floppy disk, b&w tv, record player forever! Also rolling eyes! I’m actually looking forward to a phone with no orifices.

 

[HEK]

Lol, you think all 30,000 dots that it mapped over your entire face will suddenly be in completely different places & different distances apart, making a wildly different & unrecognizable pattern.... if you’re a bit grumpy???

Lol, do your friends & family not recognize you whenever you get grumpy?? Are you Dr. Jeckyl/Mr. Hyde??

Now now don’t be so harsh. They either don’t understand the workings of the technology and the testing and trials that went into making a robust facial recognition system. Or they here to dis it for some other reason.

 

[MH01]

I would agree here. Apple made the decision well over a year ago to go with Face ID. I’m sure Samsung picked up on it along the way.

Apple would have had multiple prototypes in play. Going with faceid was not decided over a year ago.

 

[Kabeyun]

Apple makes wireless air pods. What can they do beside play music?

Google makes wireless ear buds and they can translate languages in real time. That is innovation.

Is this just an odd way of stating that you prefer AI innovation over biometrics innovation?

P.S. It’s not the buds that do the translating any more than it’s the AirPods that to the audio decoding.

Take a look in the ios11 section of this forum, many complaints.

Finding complaints in these forums as a basis of assessment, as you have helped demonstrate, isn’t exactly setting a high bar.

 

[Tech for Kings]

Except it doesn’t work like that. The in-app faceID interface is identical to TouchID. They substituted in new GUI, but it behaves the same. You have to initiate the biometric by tapping the screen. (Eg for a bank app). For buying in app it used to be tap to buy then touch home. Now it’s tap to buy, put phone in faceID position and look at screen, and tap to confirm. But these are not the cases I refer to. But even in these cases it certainly seems like an extra step.

You're wrong! Maybe at least try to know what you're talking about. Once you open an app like 1Password on iPhone X Face ID pops up immediately to start scanning. With Touch ID you have to tap. There's these little things called YouTube videos. Lol wow.

 

[HEK]

Well so far, the very first demo of FACE ID was a complete and utter failure. So we'll see how that embarrassment shakes out in the media.

As for Apple being leading edge, sometimes they pick a tech to kill that actually hurts their market share.
I watch eBay sales, iPhone 6s prices went up when they dropped the headphone jack and I see iPhone 7 sales going up with this current launch. I just think there's going to be a lot more skepticism of Face ID after the failed launch. Tim Cook's a bean counter, hardly a visionary. Steve Jobs is dead. He didn't give Timmy the Reality Distortion Field. Steve Jobs could have sold Edsels in droves for Ford. I"m anxious to see how Timmy gets through this. Unlike Jobs, he's not a media darling. His charisma could fit in a thimble.

The glaring thing about Touch ID is that Tim Cook was seen unclothed. Steve Jobs would have never let anyone know that Apple failed at getting Touch ID under the screen. You wouldn't even know about it.
You'd only know there's this AMAZING ONE MORE THING called FACE ID!

Your first statement proves you don’t understand the system. The first showing was an utter success. The facial recognition system performed exactly as was designed to do. The presenter failed to comprehend that in the second it happened. Had he entered the password he could have demonstrated how the facial ID had correctly locked after attempts by someone other than himself to facially unlock correctly reverted to password request.

Course that wouldn’t further your agenda.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

I don't like to throw this around much, but I actually think this story is an Apple PR FAKE NEWS type story.
With Apple already failing in its first demo of Face ID, why would all the competitors run to abandon Touch ID?

There's just a total nonsensicality to this story's premise.

 

[BvizioN]

Well so far, the very first demo of FACE ID was a complete and utter failure.

I agree that the first demo didn’t go well but I would be an idiot if I based my judgement purely on that. And the reason why the first demo leaded to device asking for password have been explained and totally understood by “no chicken brain” people. Some people will remember this as a failure, who gives a rats ass when this people will shut their gab and pretend they always knew Face ID was great, when and if it turns out to be great. It it’s always the case when a new tech replaces an older one. But it’s gonna be fun time for all the haters who are having a good time presuming face ID was a failure.

 

[iapplelove]

Apple would have had multiple prototypes in play. Going with faceid was not decided over a year ago.

Of course it was. Not to mention we have been seeing leaked iPhone X parts for how long now?

And they were all final production pieces which means they were decided a long time ago which means the choice to move away and give up on Touch ID was even longer ago.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

Your first statement proves you don’t understand the system. The first showing was an utter success. The facial recognition system performed exactly as was designed to do. The presenter failed to comprehend that in the second it happened. Had he entered the password he could have demonstrated how the facial ID had correctly locked after attempts by someone other than himself to facially unlock correctly reverted to password request.

Course that wouldn’t further your agenda.

You having to go to a bit of explaining what I "saw" in 5 seconds pretty much proves my point. If you have to explain why it didn't work, you've already lost a great number of people. We might all be geeks that know more, but most buyers are not. I have no agenda, but people in the media sometimes do and they will jump on this and have. That's why I just don't believe the premise of this story.

And then you add in the production delays all purported to be from Face ID issues? Ok, you have some more explaining...

 

[HEK]

I don't like to throw this around much, but I actually think this story is an Apple PR FAKE NEWS type story.
With Apple already failing in its first demo of Face ID, why would all the competitors run to abandon Touch ID?

There's just a total nonsensicality to this story's premise.

FaceID did not fail. Worked perfectly and other competitors know it and as always predicting they will attempt to copy it is, well a no brainer .

 

[macfacts]

Your first statement proves you don’t understand the system. The first showing was an utter success. The facial recognition system performed exactly as was designed to do. The presenter failed to comprehend that in the second it happened. ....

If the Vice President of Apple can't understand how to use faceID, it isn't very intuitive nor ready for the public.

 

[DevNull0]

Until you can't

Why can't you? The iPhone 8 will probably be available at least 2 more years and even with the glued battery should last 4 years. 6 years from now is so far in the future tech-wise, you can't even try to speculate what phones will be like.

You seem to be assuming everyone has to be on the latest phone or something horrible will happen. If someone wants TouchID more than anything the 8 or x or xiii will have, they can have their TouchID indefinitely.
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Your correct! DOS forever!

Excuse me while I go into hiding from the future under a rock...

So because 30 year old computer OS tech is pretty outdated we're supposed to conclude newer tech is always better?

Wow.

What was that you were saying about living under a rock?

 

[dan110]

I would prefer that they continue to give us a choice between six digit code, fingerprint ID, and Face ID. I'm not a fan of anything that tracks something as intimate as my face since that can be used in so many different ways if hacked. Since the US Government can't stop hackers, why do we think hackers won't get access to biometrics stored on mobile devices. Overall, I think we're giving too much information to these devices, websites, ISPs, etc. I'm seriously thinking of giving back to a flip phone or at least a less than "smart" one.

 

[HEK]

You having to go to a bit of explaining what I "saw" in 5 seconds pretty much proves my point. If you have to explain why it didn't work, you've already lost a great number of people. We might all be geeks that know more, but most buyers are not. I have no agenda, but people in the media sometimes do and they will jump on this and have. That's why I just don't believe the premise of this story.

And then you add in the production delays all purported to be from Face ID issues? Ok, you have some more explaining...

Yes note how all the news outlets went wild with negative story how it failed. Don’t hear much from them about the failure now they have egg on their face.

I hope many of the morons don’t order on 27 Oct so I have better chance of getting mine. Selfish I know but hey, why not.

Apple has had so many fails. Yup i’m Worried that something in development and testing for multiple years that Apple has committed to whole hog will fail to prove out when masses get their hands on it.

I remember all the negative propaganda that was heard when a full screen phone with no keyboard was introduced. No one will want a phone with no keyboard. How in heavens name will they text.

See how well that BS worked out.

LOL, bolting what you saw doesn’t mean you understood what you saw. Eye witness testimony is the most flawed testimony possible. People see what they want to see. In this case I suspect you wanted to see failure. So you did. Even when it is explained to you what actually transpired you continue to believe and propagandize your belief.

I suspect you saw the magician cut the woman in half. And of course you believe what you saw. Give me a break. Your agenda is showing.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

id imagine big tech companies like Samsung already knew about the tech apple was putting into the front camera well ahead of its launch no?

Samsung doesn't manufacture the camera parts.

 

[Piggie]

I literally answered this in my post. TouchID is less secure. Coupling a less secure mechanism with a more secure mechanism doesn't make the whole system overall more secure. Or are you suggesting that the claim that FaceID is statistically more secure (if I recall 1,000,000 vs 50,000) is false?

And I finally pointed out that biometrics are included because its a convenience to most phone users, not because they are superior security measure in themselves. Then you and insinuate that I'm drinking Apple koolaid for pointing these issues out.

???

The 50,000 vs 1,000,000 numbers are make up marketing based on small scale results/statistics with

Computers will make life easier, faster and more pleasant. There will be less printing needed.

Gotcha. Fooled everyone. Total lie

I remember at school I was told.

1: The paperless office.
(in reality we have more paper than ever)

2: Computers will be doing all the work
(in reality we are working harder)

What went wrong with the dream I was sold as a child ?

 

[Abazigal]

You can’t predict how people would choose to secure their phones.

Having TouchID as an option has ZERO affect on how YOU secure YOUR device.

One example that solves your concern: During setup, ask for FaceID first, then passcode, then ask if they wan to setup ToucID. Hell, if they wanted to hide it, force users to go into settings later to set up TouchID. This way people have to already know about TouchID or discover it in settings. Setting up TouchID wouldn’t shut down FaceID. Authentication would be TouchID+FaceID. I can imagine allowing only TouchID, say if you break the front cameras.

I’m just spitting **** out of nowhere. I don’t even need to bother trying to justify a personal preference.

It’s baffling that people are so against the idea of behind-the-screen TouchID as an option. It wouldn’t affect you at all. Why is it so concerning how other people secure their devices? Should everyone give up on Android because it’s too insecure to use?

It’s not exactly rocket science. Having two options means a non-zero chance of people using the lousier option, and that is that many people too many.

In the same vein, why would you knowingly allow people an option you know to be inferior, all in the name of choice and personal freedom?

You are right, it doesn’t affect me, but it could well affect someone I know, whose security I do care about.

Sounds like a very selfish way of thinking. I don’t know these people, so they can suffer worse security for all I care?

 

[profets]

The 50,000 vs 1,000,000 numbers are make up marketing based on small scale results/statistics with


I remember at school I was told.

1: The paperless office.
(in reality we have more paper than ever)

2: Computers will be doing all the work
(in reality we are working harder)

What went wrong with the dream I was sold as a child ?

Regarding a paperless office: I manage a medical clinic (which are notorious for being heavily paper based), yet we’re nearly entirely paperless. There is some hope.

 

[iapplelove]

If the Vice President of Apple can't understand how to use faceID, it isn't very intuitive nor ready for the public.

I don’t think you quite understand what happened to Craig on stage.

 

[Wags]

Kuo is just Apple's propaganda homer. Says what told to say.

 

[HEK]

If the Vice President of Apple can't understand how to use faceID, it isn't very intuitive nor ready for the public.

Vice President or not. I make bet he never experienced lock up do to others trying to unlock his phone repeatedly with their face. I bet is his test iPhone X never left his hand.

And everyone caught on to every feature of every new process never making a mistake. Right like I believe that. Finger print ID rolled out with no complaints or misunderstanding of use.

And you ever get on stage in front of thousands and millions watching? I thought not. Don’t discount brain freeze for a few seconds, even in a “Vice President” of the company.

But go on believe what you want. iPhone X will be terrible failure. No one will copy robust facial recognition system, or try to. End of Apple for sure. Any other predictions?

 

[alleggerita]

Face ID also requires additional effort - you have to hold it up to your face. If I am in a meeting and want to discreetly check my messages, with TouchID I can unlock the phone under the table without even looking then take a quick glance, with FaceID I would have to hold it up where it can see me, make the appropriate interest expression, then look at the message. Its far less discrete and more effort. No thank you.

Honestly, when you say check your messages discreetly you DO need to look at your phone right? FaceID would have unlocked it while you were looking at the lock screen. Have you watched the keynote or read the support documents for FaceID? You don’t have to hold the phone perpendicular and directly in front of your face to unlock it. It works at an angle too. How much of an angle I can’t tell you since it’s not out in the field yet. But don’t dismiss FaceID so soon till you’ve tried it. Better still, it’s attention aware. You screen stays lit while you’re reading all the notifications.

 

[profets]

This is the next "3D TV", and hopefully deads soon.

TouchID forever!

Hopefully short sighted comments like this end soon.