Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition

[Apple blogger]

Hahahahahahahahaha how is he an analyst!!!! You do know right that the only reason Apple didn't have Touch ID on the iPhone is because the Technology for the under screen display fingerprint sensor was not ready to make..

The first rumour that we heard about the iPhone was that the Touch ID was going to be the display.. and I believe it will be .. not in the next year maybe, but maybe in the year after that..

Touch ID and Face ID are both different in their own ways. And both of them have them applications.

Touch ID is a simpler and more secure than face ID cause Fingerprints can't be same for 2 people (Touch ID tech will be better, so it'll be better than 50,000:1)... and that's much more safe for Apple Pay and other payment. It's simpler and easy, and basically natural..

Face ID on the other hand, is a great security. The technology Apple created is leaps ahead from Samsung and the others. It's going to be used in ways which we may not know. Unlocking the phone is only one part. It'll help Siri know us better may be, It'll know whose face is and who's speaking to it. There are potential questions about robbery that if we steal the phone and to open it he just flashes the phone on the face and runs (my eyes will be open because the first thing will do is panic and not close my eyes)

They both have their flaws.

But I don't think Apple has stopped Touch ID, and that too after 4 years of it.. not a chance.

So if other companies think that underscreen sensor are not going to happen, and they put all their resources on Face detection, it's stupid on their part, and Apple really did some smart thing there then.

 

[ApfelKuchen]

If someone wants a mouse with a trackball instead of a laser and someone wants to sell it to them, then how does that affect you?

Not at all, if they go out and buy one on their own. However, if Apple included a trackball mouse and a laser mouse with every Mac, just for the sake of consumer choice, it means every Mac purchaser is buying something they don't want or need - an extra mouse. Environmentalists would rightfully complain of unnecessary waste, consumerists would rightfully complain of unnecessary expense.

Fingerprint sensors are a single-purpose component, whereas the sensor array for Face ID can be used for many purposes. That alone argues in favor of Face ID - ultimately, the user gets far more value from one than the other.

 

[apolloa]

I don’t buy this, we will see but next year if no one does under the screen scanners, then maybe they’ll turn to facial or iris scanning tech.

Vendors expressing interest is a far far far far cry from them actually implementing the tech into their products.

It does seem the more you watch videos of it, the more it appears that Apples solution works, so if this is the route they all go down I guess we have hope it’ll work as well as finger print scanners.

 

[HEK]

I don’t think you quite understand what happened to Craig on stage.

Of course he understands. Most all the news outlets that went with failure the first seconds understand now and have shut up.

It’s all about agendas. New wants to be read. What better to click bait with than “Apple fails”. And as for the agenda of person who “saw” it, well I leave you to guess what agenda they have.
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Not at all, if they go out and buy one on their own. However, if Apple included a trackball mouse and a laser mouse with every Mac, just for the sake of consumer choice, it means every Mac purchaser is buying something they don't want or need - an extra mouse. Environmentalists would rightfully complain of unnecessary waste, consumerists would rightfully complain of unnecessary expense.

Fingerprint sensors are a single-purpose component, whereas the sensor array for Face ID can be used for many purposes. That alone argues in favor of Face ID - ultimately, the user gets far more value from one than the other.

Finger ID system on by Apple is NOT A single component system. It works in conjunction with the secure enclave on the main chip. That’s what makes it superior to other print systems.

 

[alleggerita]

Hahahahahahahahaha how is he an analyst!!!! You do know right that the only reason Apple didn't have Touch ID on the iPhone is because the Technology for the under screen display fingerprint sensor was not ready to make..

The first rumour that we heard about the iPhone was that the Touch ID was going to be the display.. and I believe it will be .. not in the next year maybe, but maybe in the year after that..

Touch ID and Face ID are both different in their own ways. And both of them have them applications.

Touch ID is a simpler and more secure than face ID cause Fingerprints can't be same for 2 people (Touch ID tech will be better, so it'll be better than 50,000:1)... and that's much more safe for Apple Pay and other payment. It's simpler and easy, and basically natural..

Face ID on the other hand, is a great security. The technology Apple created is leaps ahead from Samsung and the others. It's going to be used in ways which we may not know. Unlocking the phone is only one part. It'll help Siri know us better may be, It'll know whose face is and who's speaking to it. There are potential questions about robbery that if we steal the phone and to open it he just flashes the phone on the face and runs (my eyes will be open because the first thing will do is panic and not close my eyes)

They both have their flaws.

But I don't think Apple has stopped Touch ID, and that too after 4 years of it.. not a chance.

So if other companies think that underscreen sensor are not going to happen, and they put all their resources on Face detection, it's stupid on their part, and Apple really did some smart thing there then.

You do know that John Gruber and Ming Chi-Kuo has came out to say that it was long decided that Face ID will replace Touch ID and it’s not because they couldn’t get under screen Touch ID to work?

Well of course that’s their words and it should be taken with a pinch of salt. But I think I’ll take their words than your words because it’s so unsubstantiated.

And btw, Face ID is more secure than Touch ID as Touch ID only reads a very small portion of your fingerprint and the chances of getting a reading so close as to be able to fool it is 1 in 50,000. Face ID is 1 in 1,000,000...though much lower if it’s identical twins.

Once again, totally unsubstantiated words from you. Especially this part: “Touch ID tech will be better, so it'll be better than 50,000:1”

 

[DevNull0]

In the same vein, why would you knowingly allow people an option you know to be inferior, all in the name of choice and personal freedom?

Wow. That is scary.

Why allow anyone self-determination about their lives when they may choose an inferior option. The state should enforce the "right" choice on everyone. Why should people be allowed to choose their own careers paths are study areas, there's a right answer of what's in demand that suits their skills. Their wrong preference shouldn't matter, right? Unhealthy food should be outlawed. Non-pro sports should be outlawed (there's a non-zero chance you may get injured for a frivolous reason). Personal cars should be outlawed; a lot of drivers are dangerous, it causes traffic and environmental damage that is bad for everyone. Pretty much every choice has a "right" and "wrong" answer according to the liberal crazies, and you want to enforce it on someone.

 

[HEK]

You do know that John Gruber and Ming Chi-Kuo has came out to say that it was long decided that Face ID will replace Touch ID and it’s not because they couldn’t get under screen Touch ID to work?

Well of course that’s their words and it should be taken with a pinch of salt. But I think I’ll take their words than your words because it’s so unsubstantiated.

And btw, Face ID is more secure than Touch ID as Touch ID only reads a very small portion of your fingerprint and the chances of getting a reading so close as to be able to fool it is 1 in 50,000. Face ID is 1 in 1,000,000...though much lower if it’s identical twins.

Once again, totally unsubstantiated words from you.

Nothing scream accuracy and substantiation like a McRumors forum poster.

Did I just say that?

 

[iReality85]

Except knowing Android device makers, they will store a clear picture of my face while also making that data easily accessible by 3rd parties because of the rush to market meant security was put on the backburner.

That’s really what it will come down to.

Personally, I’m not sold yet on FaceID. I won’t be buying the X since I’m using a 7 Plus, so I’ll have plenty of time to see how it pans out, consumer acceptance, reviews, etc.

But if facial recognition really is the way the mobile industry is heading (seems the answer is yes), then I am, by a factor of 1000, more comfortable with Apple keeping my face and biometrics than some 3rd party Android manufactuer.

Security is a key area in which Apple is strong in, coupled with a high level of consumer trust. This will pay huge dividends to Apple in the next 2-3 years.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Be prepared to keep blowing off $1,000 every year or two for the Face ID embedded iPhone, or $100 or more per month on the carrier plan. It'll get worse when it comes to iPad which will cost even more. Never praise Apple for getting away with things they think is 'trendy'.

People like you give Apple the wrong impression that it's 'okay to get away with charging $1000 just for Face ID'.

And when they ditch Touch ID, you will wish they kept it. You're paying $1,000 for the exact same OS that's across all devices that were updated for FREE annually. The only difference are the cameras and Face ID. Wireless charging is nothing and ancient news with Qi technology. Nothing revolutionary but something that Apple should have done about 3 years ago.

They don't wait to get it right, they wait until the LAST MINUTE to get it out there. There's a pattern to it. Pay close attention.

But it’s ok for google to get away with charging $1000 for a web browser? (Pixelbook)

 

[flat five]

if the first iteration of faceID works reliably at the angle being portrayed in the picture then.. it's going to be awesome and i think a ton of these "touchID till the grave" type of thoughts are going to dissolve very rapidly once people have a chance to use the tech.

if in real-world usage, we find our faces need to be parallel to the phone in order to get a read then it won't seem as great upon initial uses..

idk, i hope the usage being depicted in the photograph is at least close to what it's going to be like in actual use

.

 

[uwdude]

Apple is a trend setter.

I hope that you mean you're an archeologist with that name.

 

[jonnysods]

But wait I thought that Android already perfected face recognition tech?

 

[alleggerita]

That’s really what it will come down to.

Personally, I’m not sold yet on FaceID. I won’t be buying the X since I’m using a 7 Plus, so I’ll have plenty of time to see how it pans out, consumer acceptance, reviews, etc.

But if facial recognition really is the way the mobile industry is heading (seems the answer is yes), then I am, by a factor of 1000, more comfortable with Apple keeping my face and biometrics than some 3rd party Android manufactuer.

Security is a key area in which Apple is strong in, coupled with a high level consumer trust. This will pay huge dividends to Apple in the next 2-3 years.

Absolutely agreed. They may have been lagging behind in many areas, but security and privacy, they are definitely ahead.

There’s always pros and cons from either platform, but I think I favour my privacy and security enough to stick with iOS for now.
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But wait I thought that Android already perfected face recognition tech?

You mean the one that only maps a 2D picture of your face and can be easily fooled by photos? Then yes they’ve perfected this utterly useless crap since long ago.

 

[kuwxman]

Apple is a trend setter.

For better or worse. In this case, I'm leaning towards worse...much like the removal of the headphone jack.

 

[larpo]

Happy to see TouchID to go away! I have too wet palms and fingers for finger print sensors, and end up having to enter the pin way too often. I guess I could move to a less sweaty country, but having a facial recognition seems like a way better option.

 

[alleggerita]

For better or worse. In this case, I'm leaning towards worse...much like the removal of the headphone jack.

Says the one who have yet to even read a review about it, let alone try it.

 

[kstotlani]

View attachment 724128 When there's a will there's a way.

That cracked me up. What would have made this even better would be a headset jack at the end. That would be a complete iPhone companion.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Very unfortunate, there is still a future to underscreen fingerprint sensors.

Is there even a present for one?

 

[alleggerita]

Happy to see TouchID to go away! I have too wet palms and fingers for finger print sensors, and end up having to enter the pin way too often. I guess I could move to a less sweaty country, but having a facial recognition seems like a way better option.

This is EXACTLY my problem. I have sweaty palms AND oily fingers. And Touch ID has a 50:50 success rate for me. If Face ID can be successful for 7 out of 10 attempts I’m more than happy enough

 

[kuwxman]

Says the one who have yet to even read a review about it, let alone try it.

Which is the reason I said leaning... The world will know full well how it works or doesn't work before too long.

 

[Iconoclysm]

iPhone 8 will be my last iPhone unless Apple implements Touch ID again.

And you'd buy into a new ecosystem over something that eventually won't exist on Android either?
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The number of times I pull the phone half out of my pocket or just keep it under the table to open and read/reply to a notification in meetings or out socializing makes faceid a total failure for me.

Not sure how you think that's not going to work...or better yet, why you think you can declare something a total failure before you've used it.

 

[Bluestrike2]

It's unfortunate that Apple views Face ID as an outright replacement for Touch ID rather than a supplement. Not in a "choose between the two" sense, but "use both" instead.

Biometric authentication is flawed to begin with—for starters, you can't change your fingerprints and you leave them everywhere, including all over the device they're meant to protect—but many of the common flaws could be somewhat hedged against by using multiple biometric methods concurrently. That's especially true now that speed and reliability have improved significantly over time.

Ideally, users would have the ability to pick and choose multiple methods without a major increase in unlock time. Think face, fingerprint, and iris (for example) altogether. Or face and passcode. Or smarter authentication using geofencing, recognized bluetooth devices, etc. to either require or disable additional methods rather than the current methods that enable or disable entirely. Has the device been sitting for a certain period of time, etc.?

There's a lot of room for innovation with authentication methods that go well beyond the introduction of new methods and the replacement of others. While I'm no longer an iPhone user, I have high hopes for Face ID. I just hope Apple looks for ways to secure devices beyond just any single method.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Hahahahahahahahaha how is he an analyst!!!! You do know right that the only reason Apple didn't have Touch ID on the iPhone is because the Technology for the under screen display fingerprint sensor was not ready to make..

The first rumour that we heard about the iPhone was that the Touch ID was going to be the display.. and I believe it will be .. not in the next year maybe, but maybe in the year after that..

Touch ID and Face ID are both different in their own ways. And both of them have them applications.

Touch ID is a simpler and more secure than face ID cause Fingerprints can't be same for 2 people (Touch ID tech will be better, so it'll be better than 50,000:1)... and that's much more safe for Apple Pay and other payment. It's simpler and easy, and basically natural..

Face ID on the other hand, is a great security. The technology Apple created is leaps ahead from Samsung and the others. It's going to be used in ways which we may not know. Unlocking the phone is only one part. It'll help Siri know us better may be, It'll know whose face is and who's speaking to it. There are potential questions about robbery that if we steal the phone and to open it he just flashes the phone on the face and runs (my eyes will be open because the first thing will do is panic and not close my eyes)

They both have their flaws.

But I don't think Apple has stopped Touch ID, and that too after 4 years of it.. not a chance.

So if other companies think that underscreen sensor are not going to happen, and they put all their resources on Face detection, it's stupid on their part, and Apple really did some smart thing there then.

Yes, fingerprints can't be the same...however, you aren't getting a full fingerprint with TouchID. You aren't rolling the entire finger, a part of your finger will match a part of someone else's prints. It's rare, but it can happen.

 

[CarlJ]

I Want My Touch ID and I will keep my touch ID.

I seem to recall people complaining about TouchID before it came out, and how it'd never work well. Apple got it to work well. Maybe see how FaceID does before writing it off.

If you're just letting us know your personal preferences then, uh, thanks for keeping us informed. For me, I'm expecting to get an iPhone 8 soon, so I'll be sitting out the FaceID, OLED screen, and notch excitement for a year or two.

 

[iSayBoourns]

No no no no no!! Ugh. I hate facial recognition. Fingerprint readers are far more versatile and easier to use, imo. I'm not buying into this stuff.

How do you know TouchID is more versatile and easier to use when you’ve never once used Apple’s FaceID?