Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition

[QCassidy352]

Well...if you choose to believe what Apple told Gruber and what Ming Chi-Kuo said (they both do have some credibility), then Apple has decided right from the start to ditch Touch ID and focussed all efforts on Face ID.

That's the story NOW, and I don't believe it, actually, because it only became the story after they failed to get Touch ID under the screen implemented. It reeks of face-saving (no pun intended).

 

[Jimmy James]

This warms the cockles of my old Apple heart.

I like warming my cockles.

 

[gnasher729]

You mean all the reporting on rumors. Nobody knows what Apple was planning.

But it suits the narrative of certain people or news sites to imply Apple had to settle for the “inferior” FaceID because their engineers failed to make TouchID under the screen work. As long as it makes Apple look bad in some way.

I would think that Apple had two independent teams, working on each method independently. If the TouchID team had succeeded and FaceID team had failed, we would have TouchID. Maybe they both succeeded, and then Apple chose FaceID. Maybe TouchID under the screen _is_ really difficult.

 

[ajfahey]

I don't believe anyone, including Apple, fully appreciates just how revolutionary this facial recognition technology is.
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Be prepared to keep blowing off $1,000 every year or two for the Face ID embedded iPhone, or $100 or more per month on the carrier plan. It'll get worse when it comes to iPad which will cost even more. Never praise Apple for getting away with things they think is 'trendy'.

People like you give Apple the wrong impression that it's 'okay to get away with charging $1000 just for Face ID'.

And when they ditch Touch ID, you will wish they kept it. You're paying $1,000 for the exact same OS that's across all devices that were updated for FREE annually. The only difference are the cameras and Face ID. Wireless charging is nothing and ancient news with Qi technology. Nothing revolutionary but something that Apple should have done about 3 years ago.

They don't wait to get it right, they wait until the LAST MINUTE to get it out there. There's a pattern to it. Pay close attention.

Still selling buggy whips Pilgrim?

 

[rafark]

Be prepared to keep blowing off $1,000 every year or two for the Face ID embedded iPhone, or $100 or more per month on the carrier plan. It'll get worse when it comes to iPad which will cost even more. Never praise Apple for getting away with things they think is 'trendy'.

People like you give Apple the wrong impression that it's 'okay to get away with charging $1000 just for Face ID'.

And when they ditch Touch ID, you will wish they kept it. You're paying $1,000 for the exact same OS that's across all devices that were updated for FREE annually. The only difference are the cameras and Face ID. Wireless charging is nothing and ancient news with Qi technology. Nothing revolutionary but something that Apple should have done about 3 years ago.

They don't wait to get it right, they wait until the LAST MINUTE to get it out there. There's a pattern to it. Pay close attention.

I have the perfect solution for you: don't buy it. As simple as that. It's their product and they can charge whatever they please for it. On the same note, you're not forced to buy their products so why complain?

 

[QuarterSwede]

Everyone defending TouchID as superior obviously doesn’t live in a climate where the humidity drastically changes from night to day or doesn’t do manual labor with their hands where moisture is pulled out or put in. It’s nearly impossible for it to work reliably and is incredibly frustrating when it doesn’t. If FaceID works as well as they say with facial changes (hair, sunglasses, etc) then it’ll be the superior technology. Stop acting like their isn’t a downside to using TouchID.

 

[BritishApple]

My main issue with FaceID is that it adds additional steps to things like ApplePay, and anyone who argues it'll be quicker is kidding themselves on.

TouchID ApplePay, put phone to sensor with finger on the TouchID button, instant payment.

FaceID ApplePay, take phone out, double click button, look at phone, hold to the sensor and pay.

It's adding two, yes two additional steps to an already near instant payment method, which in technology is a step backwards.
[doublepost=1507403785][/doublepost]I really like Google's fingerprint scanner placement on the Pixel/Pixel 2. I didn't realise until someone pointed it out that your finger falls naturally on that part on the back of the device.

I agree with a lot of the posts here who believe FaceID was Plan B. Apple being Apple, they'd have loved to embed a fingerprint sensor into the display.

 

[iSayBoourns]

My main issue with FaceID is that it adds additional steps to things like ApplePay, and anyone who argues it'll be quicker is kidding themselves on.

TouchID ApplePay, put phone to sensor with finger on the TouchID button, instant payment.

FaceID ApplePay, take phone out, double click button, look at phone, hold to the sensor and pay.

It's adding two, yes two additional steps to an already near instant payment method, which in technology is a step backwards.

Way to skip steps purposely in your TouchID scenario. (Taking the phone out is required in both cases)

TouchID:
- take phone out
- use finger to authenticate
- place phone on terminal

FaceID:
- take phone out
- use face to authenticate
- place phone on terminal

Steps required are the same.

 

[joueboy]

Maybe you should try Face ID first? Then decide.

Do you have any idea that it will cost him/her at least a grand for him/her to decide based on your suggestion.

 

[rafark]

FaceID is impressive, but I still want TouchID. A mix of the two would really be the ultimate security combination.

I've always wondered what you guys have inside your phones to deserve bank vault level security systems.

 

[roeiz]

I've always wondered what you guys have inside your phones to deserve bank vault level security systems.

naughty pics

 

[deanthedev]

Do you have any idea that it will cost him/her at least a grand for him/her to decide based on your suggestion.

Doesn’t cost you anything. Apple has a great return policy if you don’t like it.

 

[ani4ani]

if the first iteration of faceID works reliably at the angle being portrayed in the picture then.. it's going to be awesome and i think a ton of these "touchID till the grave" type of thoughts are going to dissolve very rapidly once people have a chance to use the tech.

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if in real-world usage, we find our faces need to be parallel to the phone in order to get a read then it won't seem as great upon initial uses..

idk, i hope the usage being depicted in the photograph is at least close to what it's going to be like in actual use

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If it does work at this angle, then gonna be fun on a date, staring lovingly into each others eyes wondering who is trying to open the phone.....pin me thinks!

 

[iapplelove]

Do you have any idea that it will cost him/her at least a grand for him/her to decide based on your suggestion.

And? He has a 14 day 100% money back return policy. A two week test drive in real word scenarios should be all the time one needs.

Or are we going to keep complaining about things we have never tried yet?

 

[Zwhaler]

Did anybody see Blade Runner? Face ID is the future

 

[Kabeyun]

Let's just wait for people to decide, shall we ? Last time Phill Schiller said they were innovating, it was at the beginning of mac pro 2013 fiasco.

If you mean that we should wait to see how FaceID performs in the wild, we should. But this article is about what others are saying and doing, not about what Apple is saying about themselves. So I’d say people are indeed deciding.

N.B. The last time I heard Schiller suggest Apple was innovating it was when they killed the 3.5mm headphone jack. Inconvenient for some, true, but the sky hasn’t fallen just yet. I thought I’d dislike it but I’m fine with the adapter they included with my 8.

 

[ani4ani]

Well...if you choose to believe what Apple told Gruber and what Ming Chi-Kuo said (they both do have some credibility), then Apple has decided right from the start to ditch Touch ID and focussed all efforts on Face ID.

Then why have they been launching TouchID on Macs when clearly there no issue with real estate for the cameras, i.e. no notch, consistent viewing angles, or the need to make 100's of millions to ensure FaceID works?

 

[tkukoc]

Lol Tilted interest? Seriously, where do these people come up with this nonsense. If I was any other company other than Apple I would be trying to get Touch ID under the glass to work. People will jump on that as a selling feature.

 

[kdarling]

Kuo went on to say he believes the next two to three years will see shipments of 3D sensor-equipped Android devices to exceed those with under-display fingerprint recognition by a factor of two or three or more.

This will be mainly due to 3D-sensing's wider compatibility with LCD screens than under-display optical fingerprint recognition, which is exclusive to OLED panels, said Kuo.

So, basically...

- LCD Android phones will tend to use 3D Facial sensing.

- OLED Android phones will tend to use behind-screen Fingerprint sensors.

... which is the opposite of what Apple has done. ??

 

[rafark]

I'll probably be banned for life for this answer. [...]

Oh, for a second I thought you were going to insult me, my mother and god know what else. Lol

 

[MH01]

Of course it was. Not to mention we have been seeing leaked iPhone X parts for how long now?

And they were all final production pieces which means they were decided a long time ago which means the choice to move away and give up on Touch ID was even longer ago.

We also saw leaks with touchid at the back

 

[Rogifan]

That's the story NOW, and I don't believe it, actually, because it only became the story after they failed to get Touch ID under the screen implemented. It reeks of face-saving (no pun intended).

Except the failed to get Touch ID implemented under the screen was a rumor not fact. It seems to me people who are skeptical about Face ID or prefer Touch ID want to believe the rumors and this is just spin from Apple. It’s not based on facts though.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Then why have they been launching TouchID on Macs when clearly there no issue with real estate for the cameras, i.e. no notch, consistent viewing angles, or the need to make 100's of millions to ensure FaceID works?

Since when has all Apple products across all categories received the same hardware advancements at the same time? It’s always implemented in one device first and over time trickles down to others.

Doing it on the iPhone first ensures better adoption (far, far more users with an iPhone than a Mac) Rather than gently pushing the door open to bring new tech to the public they break through it.

 

[Rogifan]

We also saw leaks with touchid at the back

We don’t know those were legit. Could’ve been Chinese knockoffs based on rumors.

 

[iapplelove]

We also saw leaks with touchid at the back

Yes, we saw lots of leaks. But the ones that mattered were popping up about 6/7 months ago. Which meant Apple had the design already locked in.

Which probably meant months and months of testing. The plans to remove Touch ID are well over a year old.