It's a shame prices went up considerably last few years, especially in the EU, up by €500.
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Apple's First MacBook Pro With Retina Display is Now 'Vintage'
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It's a shame prices went up considerably last few years, especially in the EU, up by €500.
Vintage? what a pi$$take.
Mine runs as good as the day it was made, is just as capable as the current models, and it will likely be the last Mac I buy.
They've lost the plot entirely and I'm tired of the nonsense.
Mine runs as good as the day it was made, is just as capable as the current models, and it will likely be the last Mac I buy.
They've lost the plot entirely and I'm tired of the nonsense.
Another mind boggling example, a 2017 mac only slightly faster than a 2012 mac. Perhaps if Apple loves the environment so much they should extend hardware support considering these machines keep screaming performance-wise and are nowhere near end of life? Nevermind, forced obsolescence is more profitable.
Blame Intel....or maybe physics.
Back in 2016, all the rumors were talking about what was going to change with the then-upcoming MBPs... so I went to our admin and said "I know it's a few months early, but could we buy my replacement laptop now? I'm concerned about what I'm hearing regarding the new models".
I've used both the 2015 and 2016 models a fair bit, and - I'm really glad she put in the order for a 2015 Pro that day.
Apple still sells the 2015-era 15" model. It's a little larger than I like, but I may buy one of those myself - the last good Apple MacBook Pro.
I'm sure the new ones benchmark faster... but they certainly don't feel any faster. Heck, whenever I have to set up a new one, it seems to take bloody forever to boot up (compared to my 2015, and yes - completely subjectively).
Not to mention that whenever we purchase a new Pro now, invariably we have to make an additional purchase - some sort of dock to get a workable set of ports for the user.
Its probably because they're running out of replacement parts to fix them, along with the overhead and cost of supporting a 6 year old laptop
Another mind boggling example, a 2017 mac only slightly faster than a 2012 mac. Perhaps if Apple loves the environment so much they should extend hardware support considering these machines keep screaming performance-wise and are nowhere near end of life? Nevermind, forced obsolescence is more profitable.
Exactly! It's ridiculously unsustainable for the environment. Why obsolete something which is completely useable. From an environmental perspective, it's criminal.
Hopefully my new Mac Air will last for the next year. Not planning on AC extended warranty. Hopefully the big negative inertia machine known as Apple Engineering/Marketing can get it together with a 2018 release before then.
20+ years of Macs and my 2012 rMBP was the greatest Apple product I've ever owned.
The real problem is that a 2012 MBP is just as capable as a 2018 MBP. A 2006 MBP in 2012 probably was less desirable due to the dramatic increase in hardware speed to support the computing services of that day. The need for computing power for most has plateaued which is why a lot of people are more than happy with their 6yo machines. I fear this issue will only get worse in years to come.
I never thought I would ever say it but I'm thinking about a Microsoft Surface instead. Met someone running OS X on it and they said good things.
Ah, my beloved MacBookPro Retina Mid 2012. I've put a whole lot of miles on it and a total rebuild of the OS a few months ago -- which was a very real headache for several weeks in recovering everything I had on it. So now it's "vintage" eh? All I know is I'd have difficulty in replacing it -- whenever Apple decides to update the MacBookPro line, tic, tic, tic -- given the likely price point. $3,000+???
I'm not making excuses for Apple here, so I'll just put that out there before I get shot down in flames
The quad core machine will make a difference between the 2 machines depending on how you use your machine of course.
Having said that I do wish Apple still made machines like the 2012 models....love 'em to death!
I am still using the mid 2012 non retina MacBook Pro 13". Best Mac I ever had and I had a few. Even had the Cube. LOL. After two years I maxed my MacBooks RAM to 16 GB and since I could do it in 5 Minutes I upgraded the drive to a 500 GB SSD a couple or years later. Was like a new machine. I just swapped it again for a 1TB SSD last year. The only thing that may force me to buy a new Mac is if Apple decides not to let the latest OS run on my Mac. That is if there is a new good MacBook Pro. If Apple abandons the Macs I will try a Hackintosh. I don't have much to lose since a comparable Windows machine is under 900 Euros compared to 3000 Euros for a MacBook. If it doesn't run well I will buy a used MacBook.
By the way, funny how the Macs back than were called "late" 2011 or "mid" 2012. Now you can say the last or this decade Mac Mini.
By the way, funny how the Macs back than were called "late" 2011 or "mid" 2012. Now you can say the last or this decade Mac Mini.
I had a Surface Book and it was a decent computer. Never gave me any issues, it was stable and the battery was very good. I've since sold it, to help offset the cost of a new laptop
At the current rate, how long before the entire range is 'vintage'?
LOL I said the same thing. Crazy how long it's taking!
The 2012 is a great machine but the 16GB RAM limit was ridiculous even back then. How is it even possible this is still the limit today?
Pro? Embarrassing. How do they live with themselves as a tech company supposedly supplying the Pro Market?
Pro? Embarrassing. How do they live with themselves as a tech company supposedly supplying the Pro Market?
It's funny, I was seconded to Microsoft for a couple of years as the UX Lead for the Microsoft Soundscape app and I was shocked at how many employees were using Macs! I thought I was going to be shoved to the floor with guns pointed at my head for walking in with my MacBook Pro.
Same here. I remember how crisp the 15" Retina display looked back then, made every other laptop on the market look outdated instantly. One of Apple's last truly innovative and ahead of the game features on the Mac.
Now that PC manufacturers have caught up to and surpassed the Retina display, I hope Apple can do something to make the 2018 models more appealing.
I'm not making excuses for Apple here, so I'll just put that out there before I get shot down in flames
The quad core machine will make a difference between the 2 machines depending on how you use your machine of course.
Having said that I do wish Apple still made machines like the 2012 models....love 'em to death!
Yes you are right, the previous benchmark screenshots I posted were single-core benchmarks. These are multi-core, 2012 outperforms 2017:
https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/277
Lets not forget all the issues with the 2012 either. The diabolical image retention problems, the staingate.
Mine was affected by both of these issues and was and still in part is a P.O.S. - the screen still ghosts badly even though they replaced it twice. I consider this part of the final nails in the coffin for me as a 25 year apple customer.
Crapple.
Mine was affected by both of these issues and was and still in part is a P.O.S. - the screen still ghosts badly even though they replaced it twice. I consider this part of the final nails in the coffin for me as a 25 year apple customer.
Crapple.
Proving the old adage - they don't make 'em like they used to.
They really, really, don't.....
Yes you are right, the previous benchmark screenshots I posted were single-core benchmarks. These are multi-core, 2012 outperforms 2017:
Jeez, that is worrying! And a significant increase in price!