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It's the last mac I have bought and quite likely the last I will buy.
I may be with you after three plus decades of Apple loyalty. Have been an Apple-nut that long with only a short interlude with Dell in the late 1990's. I may be going back to the dark side again, given prices and quality. Really sad to say that really... but haven't seen a MacBook Pro better than the one this article is about (and I own).
They kicked Aperture under the bus, have been put everything into the prized iPhone as their multi-billion $$$ moneymaker without offering their loyal, long-time customers much of anything new and better.
Emoji's, bleh. Contact management, terrible. Mail, the worst. iTunes, merely a music store with few other positives.
 
So I guess it is end of the line for the classic 2012 15” as well. Not that it was cheaper to repair before.. I still use one as my main money making machine. It’s unbelievable that a 6 years old hardware can handle high quality 4K video that recent windows laptops just can’t even bother. I just hope it doesn’t die before a new model comes out in 2018. After that I will use it as a server and use the extra cores in the network cluster for distributed video encoding.
 
The real problem is that a 2012 MBP is just as capable as a 2018 MBP. A 2006 MBP in 2012 probably was less desirable due to the dramatic increase in hardware speed to support the computing services of that day. The need for computing power for most has plateaued which is why a lot of people are more than happy with their 6yo machines. I fear this issue will only get worse in years to come.
How is people being increasingly happy with their older hardware a bad thing? Maybe if you're an Apple shareholder, investor, or reseller who only cares about profits...
Lets not forget all the issues with the 2012 either. The diabolical image retention problems, the staingate.
Yes, I had to deal with these issues as well. But both times Apple replaced the display assembly for free and neither issue has come back.

Image retention was a much worse (reoccurring) problem for me with the first-gen 5K iMac, and even my second-gen has developed the issue near the top of the screen.
 
Yes you are right, the previous benchmark screenshots I posted were single-core benchmarks. These are multi-core, 2012 outperforms 2017:

https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/277

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Why are you comparing a 15 inch to a 13 inch? Of course the 2012 will look good in comparison because it has double the threads and this is a multi core score. The 2017 15” model has over 15000.
 
So I guess it is end of the line for the classic 2012 15” as well. Not that it was cheaper to repair before.. I still use one as my main money making machine. It’s unbelievable that a 6 years old hardware can handle high quality 4K video that recent windows laptops just can’t even bother. I just hope it doesn’t die before a new model comes out in 2018. After that I will use it as a server and use the extra cores in the network cluster for distributed video encoding.

Nope, neither the classic 13".
 
Looking at your signature, I personally feel you don't have enough Apple products....I suggest you buy something else! ;)
Why do people do signature with their stuff anyway. It seems silly to me. Vanity at first I guess :)
 
it would appear that discontinuing support for their old products is the only way they know how to get people to purchase the new and "improved" ones.
unless the strategy backfires and consumers buy elsewhere...
You say that as if the new models aren’t selling
 
This MacBook Pro was the most seasiderockpileoceanviewsphotoenhancementest evah!
 
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The real problem is that a 2012 MBP is just as capable as a 2018 MBP. A 2006 MBP in 2012 probably was less desirable due to the dramatic increase in hardware speed to support the computing services of that day. The need for computing power for most has plateaued which is why a lot of people are more than happy with their 6yo machines. I fear this issue will only get worse in years to come.

I don’t understand this. People are also criticising the new MacBook Pro for not being powerful enough?
 
It still looks amazingly modern and has all the ports you need. If it got P3 colour and new chips I'd be happy. Don't like the new design.
 
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I’ve moved on to an XPS since then, but my ~£1400 2012 rMBP has been one of the best laptops I’ve ever owned. I brought it when I went to university to study CS.

I dislike the 2016+ MBP redesign and consider it a regression when comparing it to earlier models.
 
I'm glad I got the battery replaced with it earlier this year. I was expecting the move. The 2012 rMBP is the best laptop I've ever owned
Did you ever take the rMBP to an ocean side with boulder formation that cascades into the blue foaming water on a crisp wind-drift day and over enhance the photos that you have just taken?
 
At the current rate, how long before the entire range is 'vintage'? ;)
Sarcasm aside a Mac model is not made Obsolete (Vintage in two places in the world) until 5 years after Apple stops manufacturing it so technically as long as Apple makes computers the "entire range" will never be made vintage.

it would appear that discontinuing support for their old products is the only way they know how to get people to purchase the new and "improved" ones.
unless the strategy backfires and consumers buy elsewhere...
Hmmm, so the fact that every computer hardware manufacturer on the planet is using the same model for declaring hardware obsolete makes Apple the bag guys here? Doesn't matter what device you buy 5 years after the device is no longer manufactured it will be declared obsolete. Bonus with Apple is Macs often continue to receive security updates, etc., even if the hardware support is ended. I've worked with Servers that were sold "as new" essentially until the day before they were obsolete and that was a real surprise to discover support lasted only a couple weeks. Apple looks pretty good to me compared to that experience.


I am on the 2016 model which bought it last year, with Apple Care. Had the MBP 2017 and it was utter crap, and got the older version instead.
The 2017 and 2016 MBPs are essentially identical. Perhaps you have your years wrong?
 
Wow, 6 years, and mine is still running as well as it did when I got it (at least, any performance degradation is imperceptible to me). Fortunately, I didn’t have the image retention or staining issues. No plans to upgrade until it breaks.
 
MagSafe -- CHECK
Glowing Apple -- CHECK
SD Card slot -- CHECK
Optical Audio Out -- CHECK
Reliable Keyboard -- CHECK
No Emoji Bar -- CHECK
No soldered storage -- CHECK

IF They came out with a new MBP that had no glowing logo, no SD Card slot, no 'Emoji bar', but had MagSafe (USB-C MagSafe exists as a third party option, so W T F Apple?!?), good keyboard, Optical Audio, and let you replace the RAM, it would prob be perfect as a modern replacement of the 2012-2015 rMPB.

But it's Apple, so f-you, we'll give you idiotic emojis instead and let you make the MacOS theme 'dark' cuz 'innovation'. And yes, Apple looks like they aren't able to innovate for the sake of any ass, including Phil Schiller's fat ass.
 
Another mind boggling example, a 2017 mac only slightly faster than a 2012 mac. Perhaps if Apple loves the environment so much they should extend hardware support considering these machines keep screaming performance-wise and are nowhere near end of life? Nevermind, forced obsolescence is more profitable.

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The multi-core CPU performance of my Early 2011 17" MacBook Pro exceeds that of the current $1,200 MacBook. Yet Apple decided to stop supporting it in Mojave anyway.

Yes, the 2011 MBP doesn't support Metal, bot Mojave still has everything necessary for OpenGL acceleration. Caring about the environment only matters when there aren't profits to be made...
 
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