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Apple's First MacBook Pro With Retina Display is Now 'Vintage'
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Because a 2012 product is as capable performance-wise as a 2017 product, and I also provided 2 other examples earlier in this thread if you didn't like that one.
I still don't own a Retina display Mac. But I think my aging eyes could really use one.
Apple, bring on the new Macs! No more stalling.
Apple, bring on the new Macs! No more stalling.
My 2015 MBP that my work supplied for me died a while ago (GPU failing, standard thing). I was handed a spare 2016 one as a replacement. Long story short, when the 2015 got back from service I begged to have it back. The touch bar, dongles, lacking ports and whatnot is SO much more annoying than the computer maybe being a bit slower and thicker. I'm now back with my 2015 MBP and it performs great, but it made me realize I really don't want to upgrade anymore, as the 2016+ models are crap. Let's hope for a very exciting update in 2018, but I don't have high hopes. Very close to jumping ship to Linux now.
@justperry [Screwed up my quote]: The Pismo is still my favorite design. An elegant tank!
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Worse than what?
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32gb ram would kill battery life. This is a portable computer; if that much ram is needed, a desktop should be the purchase.
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And why did Apple start doing this? Because end users were installing poor quality third party batteries, destroying their computers, and then demanding Apple fix them.
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The irony is how many people said the exact same thing as you, but about the 2012 retina! And yet Apple sells more computers today than it ever has. You think they’ve lost the plot? No, they clearly know what they are doing.
software is not about the age of the machine but the guts in it. if the computer has the right guts then Mojave can be installed. if it doesn't then it doesn't matter if it's only 1 year old
macrumors published the released list of supported models during WWDC week
- MacBook (Early 2015 or newer)
- MacBook Air (Mid 2012 or newer)
- MacBook Pro (Mid 2012 or newer)
- Mac mini (Late 2012 or newer)
- iMac (Late 2012 or newer)
- iMac Pro (2017)
- Mac Pro (Late 2013, plus mid 2010 and mid 2012 models with recommended Metal-capable GPU)
I don't wonder that. I'm using a 2010 Mac Pro at work and I haven't found anything is "gimped" running 10.12 on an 8 year old computer (ok, upgraded with a 6 year old CPU)
The MR comments back then seem fairly similar to now. Hmm....
Yup. I overheard a guy at work railing against the new MacBook pros because they "didn't have any ports" (my least favorite criticism, I prefer to move forward with technology and I prefer 4 super high bandwidth single physical connector ports to do that). Anyway, I specifically remember the same guy complaining that the Retina macbook pro "didn't have an ethernet port", nevermind one couldn't have fit on the body, and that two thunderbolt 2 ports was much more versatile and expandable in the end.
so they held a gun to your head and made you buy an Air rather than pay for an out of warranty repair?? or was it a bomb they strapped to you not a gun
Mine has been running the Mojave beta nicely.
For the 2018 models at the very least Apple should lower the price, improve the keyboard reliability / key travel, and increase the display resolution (6 years of 2880x1800 is enough, and I don't want to use a scaled resolution to get the same amount of screen space other laptops provide natively, though of course with software HiDPI support that still isn't as good as it is in MacOS).
So I should pay because of other peoples' stupidity?
Seriously though, I'm sure there were some cases of this happening, but I don't believe it was a widespread problem. Same goes for the RAM. Neither one was particularly hard to replace and you had to be extremely careless to damage something.
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i laugh at folks saying that about the MBP but for that MacBook with the single usb C for everything I have to agree. that is the only time I would tell Tim Cook he F'd up to his face. i get that they probably assumed that anyone that bought that machine would be doing all backups and syncing via iCloud but they were so wrong.
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in terms of Apple itself try NO availability of parts and NO hardware repairs outside of those areas that by law they have to. so California and Turkey.
That is simply a matter of opinion. I've never read so many people wanting to move to microsoft or dell or what ever. Apple don't even care, they are abandoning computers. To me, it looks like they already have.
LED battery indicator - CHECK
Optical drive / room for 2nd HDD - CHECK
Standard upgradable 2.5” HDD - CHECK
Sturdy and strong Magsafe - CHECK
Power button not on the keyboard - CHECK
Ethernet - CHECK
Infrared receiver - CHECK
Status LED - CHECK
Oh wait, that’s the generation before retina
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Look, it has nothing to do with CPU speed. It has everything to do with supporting newer technologies like Metal. Even a 12 core Mac Pro with the stock GPU won’t run Mojave. This isn’t the same as like getting Macs stuck on El Capitan to run Sierra and High Sierra. There Apple was basically saying they didn’t want to test on those older machines anymore and it was easy to add older machines. This is literally a hardware limitation. By moving to Metal in the UI it eliminates all GPUs that don’t support Metal (<2012 Macs). Now whether it is worth it or not remains to be seen.Another mind boggling example, a 2017 mac only slightly faster than a 2012 mac. Perhaps if Apple loves the environment so much they should extend hardware support considering these machines keep screaming performance-wise and are nowhere near end of life? Nevermind, forced obsolescence is more profitable.
Back in 2012 I needed a new MBP and was torn between the classic and the new retina. I chose the classic and it has been the best apple decision I ever made.
The original retina Mac was nice, but over priced imo... the classic is still running strong.
The original retina Mac was nice, but over priced imo... the classic is still running strong.
i still use it for some things. if Apple ever got around to putting plug in support etc into Photos (Mac and iOS) and the plug in companies converted their stuff then I would drop Aperture
My 2011 15" MBP has died (GPU death). Went and looked at what I would buy to replace it, the answer was nothing.
Apple does not produce a machine I am willing to spend my money on.
This is the first time since my Mac 512KE that I have no good choices for upgrading.
and so begins my journey into Linux.......
Im using a classic 2012 as well, use it daily. Its on the list for Mojave...but so is this retina. Maybe next year the classic gets cut.
Best thing you can do with an old Mac that still works, but for which Apple drops support: get familiar with Linux, resize your MacOS partition to a smaller but still bootable size, and install Linux on the new unused partition space. Works like a charm with my old 2006 MBP, which dual boots just fine. I really don't even need the old OSX partition, and rarely use it since it long ago stopped getting system and security updates. Just make sure that you have a cloud backup of your valuable data files and photos. As iCloud didn't exist yet when Apple withdrew support for my old MBP, there's no easy way that I could use it for my OSX partition data, so I use Google Drive instead - both for Linux and rare instances I need to move stuff from the old OSX partition. My new iMac can also be used to store old MBP files which are accessible via bluetooth or through CD transfers (the old MBP still has a working CD/DVD reader/writer on board), and the stuff can be stored on iCloud from the iMac.
I am at the "elsewhere" stage, I think my next step is Linux.
There is no "Steve" this time
My 2012 retina MBP is admittedly a bit long in the tooth...at least a couple of parts of the screen have stuck pixels...some sort of thermal sensor issue where it reads the CPU as overheating when it's not (kicks up fans and throttles CPU)...have to run hardware test and then that eliminates the problem for one session...had to replace the battery a few weeks ago (you can get one on amazon for 50 bucks and then look on youtube and use the kite string method to cut the glue and remove the old battery yourself...clean up with goo gone...it took 20 minutes)...i7 with 16GBs of RAM and it still does fine for day to day tasks...It's looking more and more likely that my next lappie will be a PC...waiting till Fall to see what they do with MBPs this year.
My then 17 yr old neighbor used this rMBP in 2013 a lot, she would nestle the laptop in between the steering wheel and dashboard of her dad’s BMW 750Li and chat with her friends while driving down the interstate off to college.
What a great machine!
What a great machine!
On June 11, 2012, at its annual Worldwide Developers Conference, Apple introduced its first MacBook Pro with a Retina display. Impressed by its thinness, the crowd at Moscone West erupted with a huge round of applause.
The notebook was also praised in many reviews, which awarded it top marks for its mix of functionality and portability. Marco Arment, a well-known developer, even called it "the best laptop ever made," with a "crowd-pleasing design."
"Introduced in 2012, less than a year after Steve Jobs died, I see it as the peak of Jobs' vision for the Mac," said Arment, in a blog post last year.
In addition to being the first MacBook Pro with a Retina display, the 2012 model had a much slimmer design compared to previous models, after Apple removed the built-in Ethernet port and optical disc drive for CDs/DVDs. The external design of the notebook remained largely unchanged through 2015.
Despite being thinner, the 2012 to 2015 era MacBook Pro had an array of connectivity options, including a pair of Thunderbolt and USB-A ports, an HDMI port, a SD card slot, and a MagSafe power adapter that breaks away safely if tugged.
I/O on 2012 MacBook Pro with Retina display
By comparison, the 2016 and later MacBook Pro has two or four Thunderbolt 3 ports, depending on the model, that can deliver power, USB, DisplayPort, HDMI, and VGA over a single cable. Apple in turn removed dedicated USB-A and HDMI ports, an SD card reader, and MagSafe from the notebook.
I/O on 2016-and-later MacBook Pro
While the latest MacBook Pro lineup hasn't led to any significant declines in Mac sales, which Apple reports on a quarterly basis, a subset of customers continue to favor the older models. In fact, Apple continues to sell one configuration of the 2015 MacBook Pro, priced from $1,999 in the United States.
For those clinging to a 2012 model, however, there's a bit of bad, but inevitable, news.
Just over six years after Apple released the Mid 2012 model 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display, which is more than a fair amount of time, Apple has officially classified it as "vintage" or "obsolete" depending on the region.
What this means is that at least five years have passed since the model was last manufactured, meaning that Apple and Apple Authorized Service Providers are no longer obligated to provide hardware service or replacement parts, except in the state of California and Turkey, where required by law.
Of course, if you own a 2012 MacBook Pro, there is nothing stopping you from following one of iFixit's many do-it-yourself repair guides.
Apple routinely updates its vintage and obsolete products list with additional devices as they age, so this was to be expected eventually, but it's still somewhat of a sad reminder that the first MacBook Pro with Retina display has nearly reached the end of its life. Anyone still using one is now on their own in terms of hardware.
Apple's support team should still be able to answer questions about macOS and be able to perform software troubleshooting if needed.
Apple's website does not list the Late 2012 model 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display, released in October 2012, as "vintage" yet. Only the 15-inch model, released in June 2012, carries this distinction.
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I wonder what Marc Arvent thinks of the current line?
Particularly the Pro and the Mini. Any Mini you buy today was designed and first sold in 2014.
I use Mylio. It meets my needs better than Aperture ever did. I especially appreciate having all my images available for cataloguing and editing on my iPad. don’t miss Aperture at all.