You should mention to them that their current lineup is horrible and they need to get with it, or be honest with Mac clients and just kill the whole line.
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Apple's First MacBook Pro With Retina Display is Now 'Vintage'
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You should mention to them that their current lineup is horrible and they need to get with it, or be honest with Mac clients and just kill the whole line.
I remember complaining about the ram being non removable and the battery glued in. Look where we are now.
I’m considering System76 (for power) or Purism (for confidentiality). Both use Linux variants.
How many battery cycles do you have?Writing this on my now vintage device
Can't believe it's that old. It still feels as fast as the day i bought it. Probably even faster, because back then there was some scrolling lag the first few months (or longer)
Still no reason to buy a new one... Never kept any computer this long before.
The 2012 Retina MacBook was an amazing machine and offered the Mac user way more in flexibility Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, USB 3 and MagSafe unlike todays offerings with just USB-C and the obligatory Docking Stations.
It is ironic the Mac that Apple have declared obsolete is infinitely superior in some areas to the latest offerings.
It is ironic the Mac that Apple have declared obsolete is infinitely superior in some areas to the latest offerings.
I'm still going to hold on to my 2013 retina pro
Superior to the current ones for my needs. More I/O, MagSafe, and most importantly a better keyboard
Superior to the current ones for my needs. More I/O, MagSafe, and most importantly a better keyboard
Yep. It was still sold as recent as 2015-16 so it will still be supported, probably longer than multiple retina laptops that were discontinued before it was off the shelves
How many battery cycles do you have?
I have 200! Did a battery swap a almost a year ago. Only took 45min ish
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Yup! My fiancé has the 2015 and wants to upgrade, I just laugh everytime. She’s hanging on to that for another 5 years at least.
We wonder why Apple isn’t updating their line.. they know they don’t have to because the current selection is good for just about everyone but “us”
I don't get why this is so hard to understand, the difference in years is the only point, Apple is making them obsolete by discontinuing hardware support JUST BECAUSE OF YEAR DIFFERENCE, but the fact is a 2012 MBP screams and performs comparably with some newer macs.
This is about to change real soon. AMD is really going full court press on Intel so the product releasing in the next couple of years will finally blow away anything from that era.
That a 2012 mac outperforms a 2017 mac regardless of class/type, yet the one that outperforms is "Vintage" just because of year difference, not sure what's hard to understand here.
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Speaking of vintage- I have an iMac from spring 2009- never any problems. It's using Lion 10.7.2. I may not be able to make secure transitions online because the browsers supported may not have the latest security features - I get it. But there's reasons. My MacBook Pro is 2011. In late 2015, when I shut down my Mbp while in in-patient rehab after surgery, I could not boot up the next morning. Prior to that I rarely shut down, opting for sleep. But the vram - display was all in hues of vibrating red and purple- sort of oscillating.
The shut down, but not able to start up sent alarms. The sr. advjdor sent me a shippinge box- I found out there was a recall. It was the video issue. All new logic board, display replaced, new battery, etc.
It took 4 days from shipping Fedex to receiving. No cost. I even got support from Apple to get files transferred to my iMac via FireWire cable to share screen.
Fast forward 2 years. Another issue- logic board again? Mother board/logic board- just 2 years later? Not good! No internal damage- but they couldn't repair parts. Had to replace - 2 years later!!? And I was told at the store it's vintage! I'm not happy! $550 later! Is that the life cycle to replace a logic board???
Another situation.october2016. I download iOS 10 for my iPhone. Then it won't allow me to sync-my phone to iTunes - due to lion on my mcp. The Apple Store iinstalled Mavericks to my mcp, so the MVP sees my iPhone- but I c annot access my ( iPhoto's) I won't go into the hassles I endured having to wait dAGAIN, when I now needed iPhoto (photos).
But I now need Yosemite- but at the Apple Store im told vintage . And vintage is what I'm told by my advisor! But I need Yosemite and I know I'm going to run into the same b.s. Like what happened installing iOS 10. So I cannot install iOS 11 without Yosemite.
And from what I researched, I can install
Yosemite OS OOn my MBP and still run my Adobe creative suite 5.5. MASTERCOLLECTION. I also own CS4 master collection. And cs3 design suite.
I could upgrade free to high sierra, but that would render myCS5.5 suite useless.
And with the several thousand bucks invested in adobe software, I'm in no position to put it on the shelf to collect dust and shell out $50. /month for subscriptions. The basics in Photoshop, illustrator, indesign are all the same.
So besides having Apple consumer relations look into the out of pocket expense for replacing a logic board /GPU only 2 years after the recall, I don't understand why the problem with getting Yosemite. I don't think ElCapitan will work. And I don't know of a verifiable way to ensure elcapitan will work.
But to be told I can't get Yosemite for my Mbp, because it's vintage makes no sense.
Someday I may get newer. But with everything I read-Will it be another Mac?
After reading about butterfly keyboard, perhaps there is a lot of credibility about
declining quality of Mac's.
And the iMac? I have a used G4- the original G4 was damaged by a power surge spike. Once I get the G4 set up and connected on the network, I'm going to install my quark xpress 7 and all quark files from the iMac to the G4. And that will handle those files, and use CS 3 or 4.
Then the iMac will only upgrade to mountain Lion, maybe Mavericks, and that's as far as that goes. I may not be able to sync my iPhone 6 with the iMac, but I need Yosemite so I can install ios11. This is what a starving mac user and graphic designer does when you don't have a blank check.
Any suggestions on other ways of getting Yosemite? And consumer relations?
Thank you
Larry. Designer58 (at) Comcast (net).
The shut down, but not able to start up sent alarms. The sr. advjdor sent me a shippinge box- I found out there was a recall. It was the video issue. All new logic board, display replaced, new battery, etc.
It took 4 days from shipping Fedex to receiving. No cost. I even got support from Apple to get files transferred to my iMac via FireWire cable to share screen.
Fast forward 2 years. Another issue- logic board again? Mother board/logic board- just 2 years later? Not good! No internal damage- but they couldn't repair parts. Had to replace - 2 years later!!? And I was told at the store it's vintage! I'm not happy! $550 later! Is that the life cycle to replace a logic board???
Another situation.october2016. I download iOS 10 for my iPhone. Then it won't allow me to sync-my phone to iTunes - due to lion on my mcp. The Apple Store iinstalled Mavericks to my mcp, so the MVP sees my iPhone- but I c annot access my ( iPhoto's) I won't go into the hassles I endured having to wait dAGAIN, when I now needed iPhoto (photos).
But I now need Yosemite- but at the Apple Store im told vintage . And vintage is what I'm told by my advisor! But I need Yosemite and I know I'm going to run into the same b.s. Like what happened installing iOS 10. So I cannot install iOS 11 without Yosemite.
And from what I researched, I can install
Yosemite OS OOn my MBP and still run my Adobe creative suite 5.5. MASTERCOLLECTION. I also own CS4 master collection. And cs3 design suite.
I could upgrade free to high sierra, but that would render myCS5.5 suite useless.
And with the several thousand bucks invested in adobe software, I'm in no position to put it on the shelf to collect dust and shell out $50. /month for subscriptions. The basics in Photoshop, illustrator, indesign are all the same.
So besides having Apple consumer relations look into the out of pocket expense for replacing a logic board /GPU only 2 years after the recall, I don't understand why the problem with getting Yosemite. I don't think ElCapitan will work. And I don't know of a verifiable way to ensure elcapitan will work.
But to be told I can't get Yosemite for my Mbp, because it's vintage makes no sense.
Someday I may get newer. But with everything I read-Will it be another Mac?
After reading about butterfly keyboard, perhaps there is a lot of credibility about
declining quality of Mac's.
And the iMac? I have a used G4- the original G4 was damaged by a power surge spike. Once I get the G4 set up and connected on the network, I'm going to install my quark xpress 7 and all quark files from the iMac to the G4. And that will handle those files, and use CS 3 or 4.
Then the iMac will only upgrade to mountain Lion, maybe Mavericks, and that's as far as that goes. I may not be able to sync my iPhone 6 with the iMac, but I need Yosemite so I can install ios11. This is what a starving mac user and graphic designer does when you don't have a blank check.
Any suggestions on other ways of getting Yosemite? And consumer relations?
Thank you
Larry. Designer58 (at) Comcast (net).
That’s sad. This was definitely the best MacBook Pro that Apple ever built. Fast, great display, solid build quality, and an insane amount of ports for Apple.
I’m hoping I can say that about a 2018/2019 MacBook Pro...I’m fine with the Thunderbolt 3 ports, just give me a keyboard that I don’t have to operate inside of a clean room to keep from breaking. I have a 2016 rMBP and I’ve had to constantly use compressed air, but it seems it is finally time for a full repair soon. Just don’t really want to give up my laptop for a week.
I’m hoping I can say that about a 2018/2019 MacBook Pro...I’m fine with the Thunderbolt 3 ports, just give me a keyboard that I don’t have to operate inside of a clean room to keep from breaking. I have a 2016 rMBP and I’ve had to constantly use compressed air, but it seems it is finally time for a full repair soon. Just don’t really want to give up my laptop for a week.
As long as they support them with the latest OS, the vintage label doesn’t mean anything. I agree that it’s ridiculous. All of these machines are stronger than any 2015-present MacBooks and there are really no big differences between Ivy Bridge and Haswell machines. What differentiates them is force touch, faster SSD speeds on the 2015 models and their individual clock speeds. The 13” models perhaps see more of an improvement through more CPU cache. Ivy Bridge i7 already was available with 8MB but with the top config of course.
As far as I know this only affects getting service through Apple.
It’s not but we’re at the start of a phase where a lot of hardware is gonna start to become vintage and not supported anymore by Apple. So more and more people are going to become unhappy about no more support.
I’m sure Apple also bases their decision on certain new features that the newer architecture supports that Ivy Bridge-Haswell don’t have like hardware HEVC(H.265). While an Ivy i7 is still a strong performer today, it is missing things here and there that have been added since Skylake. Whatever they release next will finally justify an upgrade for those with these MBPs. All i5 and i7 are getting more cores. The next MBP will have quad i5 and hexa i7 and given AMD’s competition they will have to keep increasing cores a lot sooner than Intel would’ve otherwise wanted to.
Other than a place to express frustration at Apple's policies I don't know why MacRumors keeps running articles about older hardware. If Apple cared about the situation they could say something, and in the amount of time that things have been deteriorating hardware wise they could have done something. They haven't said or done anything. They have no future plans to do either.
Due to the fact that after Intel launched Core they got a little bit lazy, the first retina MBPs have perhaps offered more longevity than at any other time before. A 2006 MBP in 2012 was useless but a 2012 in 2018 is still competitive. Some will see this as a good thing and others are pissed off that newer generations haven’t produced significant gains in performance.
What’s your explanation?
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You do pay for others’ stupidity, actually. And it is a widespread problem. Where do you think the Genius Bar costs come from? Product prices. By removing user serviceable parts, Apple ensures it doesn’t waste resources at the Genius Bar fixing the mistakes of end user “repairs” and “upgrades”.Mine has been running the Mojave beta nicely.
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For the 2018 models at the very least Apple should lower the price, improve the keyboard reliability / key travel, and increase the display resolution (6 years of 2880x1800 is enough, and I don't want to use a scaled resolution to get the same amount of screen space other laptops provide natively, though of course with software HiDPI support that still isn't as good as it is in MacOS).
So I should pay because of other peoples' stupidity?
Seriously though, I'm sure there were some cases of this happening, but I don't believe it was a widespread problem. Same goes for the RAM. Neither one was particularly hard to replace and you had to be extremely careless to damage something.
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Mine has been running the Mojave beta nicely.
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For the 2018 models at the very least Apple should lower the price, improve the keyboard reliability / key travel, and increase the display resolution (6 years of 2880x1800 is enough, and I don't want to use a scaled resolution to get the same amount of screen space other laptops provide natively, though of course with software HiDPI support that still isn't as good as it is in MacOS).
So I should pay because of other peoples' stupidity?
Seriously though, I'm sure there were some cases of this happening, but I don't believe it was a widespread problem. Same goes for the RAM. Neither one was particularly hard to replace and you had to be extremely careless to damage something.
The screen resolution is so high that any increase at this point is going to have increasingly diminishing returns at the expense of drains on processor/graphics and a resulting battery drain.