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It's a good point -- how long until Uncle Tim sets up a toll booth in the web browser too
I'm sure he'd love to.

Buying anything with Safari?
30% for Uncle Tim
/s

This is all totally absurd
The only reason browsers are allowed to exist on the AppStore is because they existed before the AppStore. Apple cannot get away with forcing everything to be an App and take 30%. But YOU BET THEY WOULD LOVE IT!
 
What if Apple allow 3rd party payments methods but charges those third party payment methods to be listed in their stores? When you go to starbucks somewhere in the world, they are not forced to accept American Express as a payment method. Will Apple be forced to allow ALL payment channels in the world in their app store? PayPal, AE, MasterCard, Visa, JCB, Baidu, AliPay...etc etc...?

Good. Apple needs to stop including Safari with MacOS and iOS as well.

More like allow other web engines like blink and gecko from chromium and firefox instead of forcing each one to be Safari in a dress

Please stop attempting to make those of us that HATE GOOGLE have to deal with unnecessary changes to our ecosystem.

but Apple makes Google the default search engine?!
 
It's a good point -- how long until Uncle Tim sets up a toll booth in the web browser too
I'm sure he'd love to.

Buying anything with Safari?
30% for Uncle Tim
/s

This is all totally absurd
Hell, follow the logic to its conclusion. Why shouldn't everyone who makes a digital purchase possible get a 30% cut? ISPs should be charging 30% for transactions their customers make. They invested in all the wire, fiber, and 5G technology that allow Apple and their users to interact.
 
Hell, follow the logic to its conclusion. Why shouldn't everyone who makes a digital purchase possible get a 30% cut? ISPs should be charging 30% for transactions their customers make. They invested in all the wire, fiber, and towers that allow Apple and their users to interact.

It's a good point.

I think maybe the HVAC company should take a cut also as their equipment is providing heat to the room where I am making the online purchase. Same for the utility company...

Do any rich people around me own the rights to "the air" also?
Maybe they need a cut?
 
It's a good point.

I think maybe the HVAC company should take a cut also as their equipment is providing heat to the room where I am making the online purchase. Same for the utility company...

Do any rich people around me own the rights to "the air" also?
Maybe they need a cut?
Hey, without electricity your computer cannot work to buy on Amazon. So the utility company needs its fair share of everything you buy online. Same for the ISP, without them your packets will not even reach Amazon.
 
Hey, without electricity your computer cannot work to buy on Amazon. So the utility company needs its fair share of everything you buy online. Same for the ISP, without them your packets will not even reach Amazon.

You're right!
I should just give them all access to my bank account actually.

By the time everyone gets their cut for "doing nothing", there is no money left anyhow..
 
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Wow there's so much money and energy being wasted on this stuff hey..... I mean, a bunch of legal teams are making some good coin with all of this but honestly, it's ridiculous. Apple built the entire platform, the hardware, and the ecosystem. They can do whatever they want, and if it isn't liked, then seek development elsewhere. Boggles my mind that a company can be forced to change the way they operate at the behest of watchdogs and a selection of noisy, upset developers who wish they could eat into the well-deserved profits of Apple.

I wouldn’t be able to respond better to this absurd statement than the Judge in Epic v Apple:

“As described, the commission rate driving the excessive margins has not been justified. Cross- reference to a historic gamble made over a decade ago is insufficient. Nor can Apple hide behind its self-created web of interlocking rules, regulations, and generic intellectual property claims; or the lack of transparency among various businesses to feign innocence.”
 
Judge is right, Apple is anti-competitive.

Blah blah blah.

Unfortunately there's a perception that "digital doesn't cost anything". Take Google Search as one example. Does Google provide this excellent search engine to the world for free? No way! They make billions from their various ad placement services, paid services and strategic contracts. Otherwise, they'd publish the Google Search algorithm as open-source for the world to peruse and contribute. It's not charity.

Now, do developers expect Apple to host and distribute their apps for free? By bypassing Apple's payment system, Apple stops being compensated for his very important aspect of the app ecosystem.

So now developers start using a third-party system and Apple gets $0.00 from each purchase.

I bet your bottom dollar, developers will need to pay something, in some form. Apple won't just give them everything for free.
 
Wow there's so much money and energy being wasted on this stuff hey..... I mean, a bunch of legal teams are making some good coin with all of this but honestly, it's ridiculous. Apple built the entire platform, the hardware, and the ecosystem. They can do whatever they want, and if it isn't liked, then seek development elsewhere. Boggles my mind that a company can be forced to change the way they operate at the behest of watchdogs and a selection of noisy, upset developers who wish they could eat into the well-deserved profits of Apple.
So the only option is to bend over and cough ? Got it.

Hey, without electricity your computer cannot work to buy on Amazon. So the utility company needs its fair share of everything you buy online. Same for the ISP, without them your packets will not even reach Amazon.
Didn't all modern web infrastructure get built with public funding in the 70-80s and privatized in the 90s ?
 
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Now, do developers expect Apple to host and distribute their apps for free? By bypassing Apple's payment system, Apple stops being compensated for his very important aspect of the app ecosystem.
Good thing they already pay Apple the developer fees to be on the AppStore and users pay for iOS when they buy an iPhone for $1000

Apple is already compensated, they just want MORE. Its like my ISP wanting a cut out of my Amazon purchase as it was done through them. And Windows wanting a cut out of my Steam purchase because Steam runs on top of Windows.
 
That’s ridiculous. Anyone can go to target.com and buy something. There is nothing special about their app that only Apple can offer. Going by your logic every ISP or cell provider should get a cut too because without the internet you wouldn’t be able to download and use Target’s app to buy anything.
So remove the app and have them go there.
 
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Has Apple ever justified the 30% number? Or was it just pulled out of thin air?

Why not 50% or 70%?

I seem to recall the 30% being universally praised when the App Store was introduced in 2008.

It was apparently a much lower fee than various marketplaces and distributors charged before.

Developers almost never got to keep 70% of the sticker price in the old days.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I wouldn’t be able to respond better to this absurd statement than the Judge in Epic v Apple:

“As described, the commission rate driving the excessive margins has not been justified. Cross- reference to a historic gamble made over a decade ago is insufficient. Nor can Apple hide behind its self-created web of interlocking rules, regulations, and generic intellectual property claims; or the lack of transparency among various businesses to feign innocence.”
I can. “I made it I choose what I charge.”
 
I seem to recall the 30% being universally praised when the App Store was introduced in 2008.

It was apparently a much better deal than app marketplaces before.

Developers almost never got to keep 70% of the sticker price in the old days.

The world has changed a fair bit since 2008, wouldn't you say?

(ESPECIALLY in technology...)
 
I am pretty sure that Apple gets paid when Target buys their dev kits and pays dev fees. Do you think the Apple doesn’t make money off the sale of their dev kits and dev fees?
Do you think people can only get paid once?
 
Has Apple ever justified the 30% number?
Or was it just pulled out of thin air?

Why not 50% or 70%?
They tried to justify it in the Epic v Apple case. The Judge didn’t buy any of it:

“As described, the commission rate driving the excessive margins has not been justified. Cross- reference to a historic gamble made over a decade ago is insufficient. Nor can Apple hide behind its self-created web of interlocking rules, regulations, and generic intellectual property claims; or the lack of transparency among various businesses to feign innocence.”
 
Most software used to be proprietary stand alone applications. You paid for the anti-piracy and infrastructure.

Nowadays most stuff is a browser to access a service. You pay for what, hosting a few lines of UX software ?

Not to mention that the per user/per service revenue has risen dramatically.
 
I don’t know, but you are right to assume they should get something.
Following Apples abusive 30% logic: Couples made by dating platforms available on iOS should share 30% of their GF/BF with Apple employee’s, and 30% of their children will belong to Apple, too. Apple have the right to freely brainwash these kids 7.2hs per day with Apple ads.
 
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