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yeah, right, punching in the 16 digit alphanumerical code is so simple at the checkout and everyone in the line behind you understands that if you loose the connection to the reader, you simply start from scratch. All while the cheap SE or even a half a decade old iPhone just breezes thru.
Your phone's passcode is 16 alphanumeric characters? Mine is 4, 6 if you want to be more secure.
 
Apple implemented perfectly reliable, fast touchid on it's iphone. Under screen touch id is work/tech in progress. When Apple feels underscreen touchid has reached the level of perfection; Apple will implement.
 
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At this point in time an underscreen fingerprint scanner would be more valuable than 5G which is in its infancy
Hopefully Apple can appreciate the need with people wearing masks and faceID unusable
Apple quickly implemented a quick passcode login a few months ago realizing what’s going on so I would be inclined to believe that underscreen Touch ID is being worked on
 
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If it's the crappy snapdragon under screen fingerprint reader no thanks, hopefully apple have been working on their own fingerprint reader that covers the bottom half of the display, if not give us Touch ID built into the power button like the iPad Air 4.
 
oh so now y'all want in display sensors? they should all have it in the "iPhone 13 Pro Ultra". It's basically turning into a Samsung. hahaha
 
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Why the inferior optical one though, even if it's a capacitive hybrid? I just got an S21 with the new 2nd gen ultrasonic reader and it's excellent. Much faster than the first gen and good enough to finally replace the rear capacitive ones I'm used to.
 
What do you mean "people cannot use ApplePay for purchases if wearing masks?" Of course you can. You just need to enter your phone passcode.
So do you use a 4 or 6 digit pin password?

If I am not wrong anybody who has access to your phone (or stealing it) and happens to know/see your PIN can easily even change your apple ID password too. Why would you risk it?
 
Apple could not force the pandemic so they did not shoot themselves in the foot.
I like Face ID a lot - before covid more than touch ID but Apple is known for not giving options to users. The best would be both authentication systems. For people in medical profession face ID is also a problem.. For others who are wearing gloves, touch ID is a problem. Competition offers both choices - as i hear not equally secure but this is why we are paying the Apple premium - .. so why not Apple? And anyway they could put the touch ID on the new ipad, I think they could also put it on PRO phones if they wanted..
 
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I have a 16 character passcode, fully alphanumeric. I want this... but, I also want the increased security. There is no reason they cannot combine the two technologies.

Optical sensor for your finger (fast, but relatively easy to "fool") combined with...
Face-ID of your eyes / area above the mask.

Each solution is easier to fool, but combined could present sufficient difficulty that the two together are greater than the sum of their parts.
 
I know, that's why our company has a secure pass code. 4 digits my son could crack, 6 digits my grand son.
(nice joke :))

We agree.. So when you're wearing a mask, do you always type in your passcode when you are at the store? I had to use apple pay over 5 times today and it's super annoying with face ID..

Actually the reality is that lot of people will try to remove their masks temporarily to activate face id.. It's human nature... Touching the masks is the worst thing they can actually do.
 
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i'm not claiming to be a scientist, maybe you are one, could you really get enough datapoints for an accurate id on simply the eyes? sounds a bit far fetched that it could work. The only time I need to unlock phone with mask on is inside grocery store when I am using notes for a shopping list. Pretty minor inconvenience to type my password a few times. I tried setting the time out longer and tapping the screen ever so often that works too. I guess I'm not willing to give up security for convenience. FaceID is so much better than finger print scanning, remember everyone who used to complain about wearing their gloves. LOL

Face ID can't. It works by projecting 30,000 invisible dots on your face, and then uses those to map the structure and depth of your face (geometry). The infrared camera reads those dots. Apple highly dissed Iris scanning when Face ID came out, which of course, Samsung had put into their phones at the time and was simultaneously dissing Apple's Face ID.

Face ID was considered to be just slightly better than Samsung's Iris tech due to the AI Apple used as a cheat detector, but Samsung later did some software updates that took that edge away. Iris is considered the more secure of the two amongst experts, but they're really very close in reliability and security all around. It's like debating if Aquafina or Desani water is better.

Iris Scanning costs a whopping $5-$10 to implement in a device. Most Galaxy users just use the under the screen fingerprint reader, but the pandemic makes a great case for that tech.

If I were Apple, I'd ditch Face ID for Iris and the embedded finger print sensor. It would be cheaper, technically more secure, and get rid of that eyesore cutout on the front of the iPhone.


This article was kind of interesting on that topic:
 
I have a 16 character passcode, fully alphanumeric. I want this... but, I also want the increased security. There is no reason they cannot combine the two technologies.

Optical sensor for your finger (fast, but relatively easy to "fool") combined with...
Face-ID of your eyes / area above the mask.

Each solution is easier to fool, but combined could present sufficient difficulty that the two together are greater than the sum of their parts.
I just posted this so not going to rewrite the entire bit, but Face ID can't scan your Irises and that wouldn't be Face ID of the eyes, it would be Iris scanning. iPhones don't have the hardware for Iris scanning, which is just a smidge more secure than Face ID.

Iris scanning is every bit as hard to fool as Face ID is. We're not talking about the first face recognition and Iris scanning tools from 10 years ago.

The embedded finger print readers are also harder to fool than the original kind.

There is a software component for cheat detection separate from the scanning mechanism. Apple's cheat detection algorithm is what makes or breaks Face ID, same with Iris scanning. Two companies could technically put the same hardware in their device and it not be nearly as secure.
 
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Masks are here to stay
masks have been around and used (need I say Spanish flu) long before there was an iPhone ... the current use model will be a temporary one. and just to be clear, I wear a mask when outside my home and while it is inconvenient to type in my 10 digit passcode at the grocery store, if you RELLY want to protect yourself you're wearing gloves too ...
 
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