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What are you talking about? I pointed out facts to iPhone X having great hardware.

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

iPhone X has the best camera for still, according to dxo.

Everything I said about their silicon being industry leading, having the best still camera, and the highest rated screen is all true. I know you’re mad that it is, but true nonetheless. I literally didn’t read anything you posted because I know what I’m talking about.

You pointed out 2 FALSEHOODS of iPhone X hardware.

You pointed out 2 FALSEHOODS of iPhone X hardware.
Best Camera/Best Still Camera - denounced by the worlds most respected camera/
You say all this nonsense like it's fact. The iPhone X has good hardware.
  • The best mobile silicone in the industry (fact).
  • The cameras are phenomenal (best still camera on the market).
  • The OLED screen was rated the best screen in the industry.

Best Camera/Best Still Camera - denounced by the worlds most respected camera/video quality testing source
The best mobile silicone in the industry (fact).
The best mobile silicone in the industry

The silicone is relative. How do you rate "best" silicone by how fast it is, how many cores, computational power as a whole, or what? NONE of that matters unless the OS that runs on it is as optimized to do all sorts of tasks. Apple themselves is VERY careful NOT to state their silicone is 'The Best' in the industry, vs "amongst" or "one of" or "the envy" etc because over such a short time this changes! That's competition at it's very best.

PS: You'll recall Apple learned this lesson of printing it's the BEST CPU back when the first Powermac G5 launched and within 6mths had a huge uproar in the industry.


https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-2-reviewed-sets-new-record-smartphone-camera-quality/

Seems there is a conflict here. The thing to take away from this is that the Pixel 2 is more than comperable with 1 camera than what the iPhone X is doing with 2 camera's.

btw, the throttling you mentioned about SGS8/8+ I've only seen threads about thermal throttling for users using intense apps while charging - which seems to be normal of any manufaturer. Personally I only browse in Safari when my IP7 is charging that's it. I'm still looking yet having come across more indepth or definitive that Samsung is throttling or even Google doing so.
 
This doesn't make sense.

If you grouping all the iPhone family, why don't you group all the Samsung Galaxy family too?

So $50 phones with Galaxy in their name should be included?
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Please. That’s a contract price. Samsung sells new phones as low as $50 WITHOUT a contract. As in that’s the full retail price.
 
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You pointed out 2 FALSEHOODS of iPhone X hardware.
Dude, you're really struggling. So DXOMARK didn't rate iPhone X the top still smartphone camera?

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

Let me help you. The iPhone scored a 101 for stills and the Pixel scored a 99.
Anyone who knows anything about mobile processing knows the Apple A series chips lead the industry by a wide margin.

I was right about everything I said. Why do you think I said STILL camera? I know the Pixel scored 1 point higher in their overall score. Look at the date of your link versus mine.
 
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Apple has redeemed itself in the best tradition of American companies. Kudos on selling more product than anyone on the planet.
 
So $50 phones with Galaxy in their name should be included?

Please. That’s a contract price. Samsung sells new phones as low as $50 WITHOUT a contract. As in that’s the full retail price.

I agree that $50 Samsung phones should not be on ANY list with iPhones. :)

However... if they're gonna count ALL iPhones sold the entire year to add up to 223 million units... at least make the comparison somewhat equal.

If they are basing it on price... fine.

Apple iPhones have retail prices ranging from $349 to $1149

But they have to use the same criteria for Samsung too. There are PLENTY of Samsung phones in that price range.

Again... we'll ignore the $50 phones... but Samsung has many phones at $349 and up.

I'm not one to defend Samsung here. I'm slamming the whole premise of this article.

I guess we need to decide what is a product... and what is a product family.

Yeah... Apple will get a huge number if you add up all these phones that were sold throughout 2017:

SE
6
6+
6S
6S+
7
7+
8
8+
X

It's just a little weird to say "iPhone is the best-selling product" when the iPhone is actually 10 models spanning an $800 price range.

Echo Dot is a product... but the iPhone is a family of products.

This whole article is flawed. :p
 
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Apple has redeemed itself in the best tradition of American companies. Kudos on selling more product than anyone on the planet.

I appreciate your optimism and I agree. And it's more than just selling a product to anyone on the planet, it's the customer service behind their product. I agree Apple makes very well-made devices, but if and when an issue arises, it's crucial that they have the customer service that meets the customers expectations, in which they do.
 
Dude, you're really struggling. So DXOMARK didn't rate iPhone X the top still smartphone camera?

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

Let me help you. The iPhone scored a 101 for stills and the Pixel scored a 99.
Anyone who knows anything about mobile processing knows the Apple A series chips lead the industry by a wide margin.

I was right about everything I said. Why do you think I said STILL camera? I know the Pixel scored 1 point higher in their overall score. Look at the date of your link versus mine.

The score yes totalled 101 (X) vs 99 (Pixel2); yet it's WHERE the numbers show the only 3 areas of strength vs 6 other areas ... and each has to do with using 2 sensors vs one. Personally I'd say that isn't "The Best"
Source from both our links btw.

[iPhone X vs Pixel]
Exposure & Contrast:
90 vs 95
Color:
79 vs 86
Autofocus:
78 vs 98
Texture:
65 vs 73
Noise:
69 vs 59
Artifacts:
82 vs 64
Flash:
85 vs 88
Zoom:
58 vs 32
Bokeh:
55 vs 45

many of the failings could be refined by algorhythms and some of the strengths in any also could be negatively affected. This is why I go by overall ratings, not just one, or sorry 3 ratings. This is not reaching ... Zoom (and how it affets noise and artifacts) would be 'reaching'. But I'm no shutterbug.
 
Unbelievable. It’s unbelievable it sold so well. First, you have the iPhone X with its ugly notch and lack of home button. Then you have the iPhone 8 with the same design as the iPhone 7, which has the same design as the iPhone 6s, which has the same design as the iPhone 6.

Both product names—iPhone X and iPhone 8—are blatant lies to customers. There was no iPhone 9 and the iPhone 8 is really an iPhone 7s.

(The iPhone 7 name was a lie as it was really an iPhone 6ss. Therefore, the iPhone 8 is really an iPhone 6sss.)

It’s amazing that Apple can be so lazy with their industrial design and hardware engineering and still be not only named the best-selling tech product of 2017, but “easily” named the best selling tech product of 2017. It’s a shame that there are no consequences for Apple’s lazy actions.

You sound like a few who demand a new design, get one and then complain how it's missing all the parts/features of the old design. Apple will always be the damned if you do, damned if you don't company to some. Either you want a new design which it seems you do since you complain about how the 8 looks like the previous models OR you want the same design because you don't like the notch which is necessary because of the sensors for face ID. I say don't complain, just buy whatever phone floats your boat and be happy =).

As for the 8, it's way more advanced than the 7 or 6. It's got the same guts as the X except for the Face ID hardware. My wife has it and it's fast. It ain't no 7s and she can't wait to try the wireless charging.
 
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Welcome to the 21st century, unlike the "why did they remove the headphone jack?" crowd, not everyone is an audiophile people!:p

Yes, the AirPods would be the winner for 2017 best tech gadget for me. I don't ever see myself going back to wired headphones or using anything else, unless something better than AirPods are introduced. The seamless connection without going into settings and tapping on it just works for me.

Flawless victory!

I’ve been impressed by the sound quality (noticeably better than the wired versions- lightning and non-lighting) and by the build quality. With the build quality, it’s all the little things where you can tell the engineers put a lot of thought into it.

Things like the magnetic tips at the ends of the earphones, which are “grabbed” by the case when you slide them in to charge and holds them firmly in place. Or when you open the lid and the battery stats pop up on your iPhone. Or the sound confirmation when you place them in your ears. And taking one out makes the music pause- love love love that.

Hell, even the “click” of the case lid. I showed off the AirPods to my brother (who is an Android guy) and while checking out the case he also played with the lid a few times, grinning and nodding. His remark?

“Ooooh, that’s satisfying.” :)
 
eh, every gen was different tbh.
porsche_911targa_evolution_1600_2.jpg

6, 7 are basically the same design, 7 removing the antenna strips. 8 is arguably more different because glass-back and no antenna strips, and it feels different in hand too. X was first truly new design since 2014 (3 years)
Disagree. If ever there was an example of an iterative design approach to a car, and I mean ever, it’s the Porsche 911. It’s what it’s known for. Sloping back, rear-mounted flat 6, eyes in the fenders around a lower, flattish hood ... all those photos basically look the same. The design cues of a 1963 911 are the same as a 2017 911. Ferdinand Porsche found a successful design and, for better or worse, has stayed with it. Just like Apple.
 
The score yes totalled 101 (X) vs 99 (Pixel2); yet it's WHERE the numbers show the only 3 areas of strength vs 6 other areas ... and each has to do with using 2 sensors vs one. Personally I'd say that isn't "The Best"
Source from both our links btw.

[iPhone X vs Pixel]
Exposure & Contrast:
90 vs 95
Color:
79 vs 86
Autofocus:
78 vs 98
Texture:
65 vs 73
Noise:
69 vs 59
Artifacts:
82 vs 64
Flash:
85 vs 88
Zoom:
58 vs 32
Bokeh:
55 vs 45

many of the failings could be refined by algorhythms and some of the strengths in any also could be negatively affected. This is why I go by overall ratings, not just one, or sorry 3 ratings. This is not reaching ... Zoom (and how it affets noise and artifacts) would be 'reaching'. But I'm no shutterbug.
So you can’t even admit I was right and you were wrong?
 
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You say all this nonsense like it's fact. The iPhone X has good hardware.
  • The best mobile silicone in the industry (fact).
  • The cameras are phenomenal (best still camera on the market).
  • The OLED screen was rated the best screen in the industry.
You may not like the design, but a lot of people do. FaceID has some interesting and cool tech that works.

Ever use an iPhone X? The home button now feels like 1996.

200M+ people aren't wrong. MANY people just like iOS more than Android.

The hardware may be good but the software certainly isn’t worth 1k at all and is why I returned mine. No matter how advanced the tech is inside and outside, the software, which is the true heart of the phone, isn’t. And I’m not paying such a high asking price for a phone that lags out of the box. There’s still frame drops and micro stutters in apps and around the OS itself. Heck, Apple had to issue a statement on their site because of those well-known-by-now reports of slowing phones which even they admit isn’t just the battery but that piece of junk iOS 11.

This once Apple loyalist switched to Android (Pixel 2) because of it, and I don’t care if 200m others bought a new iPhone, that doesn’t equal quality software (see 90s Microsoft). Samsung is the highest selling Android phone and it certainly isn’t because of TouchWiz. Like Apple, it’s because of the aesthetics and the cool factor of owning one, plus they are the most popular and most of their friends have one.

People continue to buy iPhones because of the quality reputation that they once had in the past, so they continue to buy expecting the same. They put up with these nagging slowing-down issues and can look past them because they are loyal to the brand and because they like the positives which, thankfully, still remain at Apple. Things like the customer service, privacy + security, iMessage, the app variety/quality and the secure and simple OS (which isn’t even so simple anymore). It for sure isn’t the quality software, that died over 4 years ago.
 
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The hardware may be good but the software certainly isn’t worth 1k at all and is why I returned mine. No matter how advanced the tech is inside and outside, the software, which is the true heart of the phone, isn’t. And I’m not paying such a high asking price for a phone that lags out of the box. There’s still frame drops and micro stutters in apps and around the OS itself. Heck, Apple had to issue a statement on their site because of those well-known-by-now reports of slowing phones which even they admit isn’t just the battery but that piece of junk iOS 11.

This once Apple loyalist switched to Android (Pixel 2) because of it, and I don’t care if 200m others bought a new iPhone, that doesn’t equal quality software (see 90s Microsoft). Samsung is the highest selling Android phone and it certainly isn’t because of TouchWiz. Like Apple, it’s because of the aesthetics and the cool factor of owning one, plus they are the most popular and most of their friends have one.

People continue to buy iPhones because of the quality reputation that they once had in the past, so they continue to buy expecting the same. They put up with these nagging issues and can look past them because they are loyal to the brand and because they like the positives which, thankfully, still remain at Apple. Things like the customer service, privacy, the app variety/quality and the secure and simple OS (which isn’t even so simple anymore). It for sure ain’t the quality software, that died over 4 years ago.
iOS is the major differentiator for iPhone and has been the main reason people choose Apple over Android. It’s only been with the iPhone X that the hardware has caught up to rivals like Samsung.

Samsung sells phones over $900, so let’s stop talking about $1k like it’s on its own island. The Pixel 2XL is almost $900.

You’re just totally mistaken if you think iOS is not a huge factor for iPhone buyers. I’ve been on both sides and iOS is far superior in my experience. Even with iOS 11hiccups, it’s gotten much better and will continue to be supported by a company that actually supports its products.
 
iOS is the major differentiator for iPhone and has been the main reason people choose Apple over Android. It’s only been with the iPhone X that the hardware has caught up to rivals like Samsung.

Samsung sells phones over $900, so let’s stop talking about $1k like it’s on its own island. The Pixel 2XL is almost $900.

You’re just totally mistaken if you think iOS is not a huge factor for iPhone buyers. I’ve been on both sides and iOS is far superior in my experience. Even with iOS 11hiccups, it’s gotten much better and will continue to be supported by a company that actually supports its products.

You obviously haven’t tried a Pixel 2 then because honestly, based on solely the software it blows iOS away. I’m not talking about app selection and things like that, I’m talking about how smooth it operates, the fluidity of the animations which have almost zero hiccups, how there is no lag and none of this slowing down nonsense no matter how long you own one.

This used to be Apple, and it pains me to say all of this because I never thought I’d ever find myself going to the dark side. I loved Apple and defended them at every chance I could get, but that was Apple back then when the software was quality which backed up the reason why I was so defensive.

It’s mainly those positives I mentioned in my previous post as to why many people are loyal to Apple. The software has been on a steady decline since iOS 7, but because of those positives people can look past it and put up with it. Also, there’s many casual phone buyers out there who aren’t as sensitive to or don’t care about UI lag, and if they do it isn’t too bad to distract from everything else they love about the phone. It’s important to me though because as a techie and once Apple loyalist, I notice things like that right away. I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 and it is shocking seeing and feeling the difference between that and the latest iPhone running the latest iOS version. Snappy, smooth, fluid transitions, a UI which was less of a mess - all of this has been lost, no more attention to detail. People just don’t remember how good it was back then because we’ve been accustomed to the iOS 7> way of things for over 4 years now.

Anyway, apologies for my rambling but that’s just how I see Apple now. They’ve completely lost focus for me and don’t sweat the details that once made them special and set them apart from the rest.
 
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I am hoping Apple will aqueeze an ipad mini update in there somewhere. Preferably sooner rather than later. Perhaps March. And if its not too much to ask, the ability to use an apple pencil on it. Heh heh heh.
 
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You obviously haven’t tried a Pixel 2 then because honestly, based on solely the software it blows iOS away. I’m not talking about app selection and things like that, I’m talking about how smooth it operates, the fluidity of the animations which have almost zero hiccups, how there is no lag and none of this slowing down nonsense no matter how long you own one.

This used to be Apple, and it pains me to say all of this because I never thought I’d ever find myself going to the dark side. I loved Apple and defended them at every chance I could get, but that was Apple back then when the software was quality which backed up the reason why I was so defensive.

It’s mainly those positives I mentioned in my previous post as to why many people are loyal to Apple. The software has been on a steady decline since iOS 7, but because of those positives people can look past it and put up with it. Also, there’s many casual phone buyers out there who or aren’t as sensitive to or don’t care about UI lag, and if they do it isn’t too bad to distract from everything else they love about the phone. It’s important to me though because as a techie and once Apple loyalist, I notice things like that right away. I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 and it is shocking seeing and feeling the difference between that and the latest iPhone running the latest iOS version. Snappy, smooth, fluid transitions, a UI which was less of a mess - all of this has been lost, no more attention to detail. People just don’t remember how good it was back then because we’ve been accustomed to the iOS 7> way of things for 4 years now.

Anyway, apologies for my rambling but that’s just how I see Apple now. They’ve completely lost focus for me and don’t sweat the details that once made them special and set them apart from the rest.
I’ve tried the Pixel 2 and find Android inferior to iOS 11.2.1 on my iPhone X.

The screen on the Pixel 2 is bordering on horrible.
 
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