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Dude, your attempt at psychoanalysis and resulting inferences about people’s motives is a big FAIL — just like Google’s exploitation of user data fails to deliver any meaningful benefit. I’ve never thought twice about the cost of the iPhone. The value is clear to me. I don’t know why you feel it necessary to attack people whose opinions differ from yours; but I won’t speculate. I’ll leave that to the Professional you should consult to address your issues.
How does using iPhone avoids "Google's exploitation"? Don't you use Google search, don't you use Gmail or any other third party mail? No matter what, Google is getting your data. Google is everywhere. You just can't avoid it.
 
It's not impossible to say.

I switched to the Pixel 2 from Ifone. But returned it within a week.

Volume on the Pixel 2 is limited through headphone making it inaudible in urban settings

The Pixels 2's speaker crackles during phone calls.

Also when taking pictures in flourescent lights banding appears on the Pixel 2's screen due to interference pattern.

I am sick of Apple UX - too many balloons and lazers and emoji based nonsense. But unfortunately Google struck out with this one. Do yourself a favor and avoid this lemon.

Maybe next time.

Agree, disagree? Thoughts?

I'll add this: I just can't recommend an Android phone in good faith to family and friends after seeing this: http://www.zdnet.com/article/fake-w...oid-users-on-google-play-did-you-fall-for-it/

Imagine telling your Mum it's okay to get the Android phone then her coming to you and saying "But I didn't download an app from outside of Google Play? Why wasn't it safe?"

But, some people are hard-core Android fans and know what they're getting into. With them, I direct them to a Samsung Galaxy S8. The Pixel 2 has had so many production issues - like not shipping with an operating system to some users.
 
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Hard to believe the author gave it a coin-flip. REALLY?

The Pixel's design is pedestrian wrapped in plastic designed to digitize your personal information. Pixel has poor customer support - depreciates like a rock, and has an unforgivably bad display. Google can't even copy Touch ID on the front so they put it on the back, an annoyance at a minimum. The list is long but MacRumors sees fit to judge the entire Pixel on the basis of a decent camera, except that it also requires you agree that Google mines all personal data from the photos.

Did MacRumors hire a bevy of 9to5Google castoffs?
 
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Because this is an Apple forum :apple:

If you visit any of Google's Pixel 2 XL forums you will read the Pixel is the best... :)

I don't mind people thinking Apple is the best, though to call the pixel 2 crap is to have no idea about technology and blind bias.

I've tried the pixel 2 , very nice phone, not for me though , I'll stick to my iPhone 7 plus or X , have another week to decide about the X
 



Now that the new 2017 flagship smartphones from both Google and Apple are available and in the hands of consumers, we thought we'd compare Apple's iPhone X with the Google Pixel 2 XL to see how these two devices measure up.

In the video below, we took a look at specific features of both phones, including design, hardware, camera and display, along with each device's unique features like Face ID and Active Edge. We also compared what it's like using each phone on a day to day basis to give an overall picture of the similarities and differences between each of the devices.


Both the Google Pixel 2 XL and the iPhone X have high price points ($849 for the former and $999 for the latter), and similar display sizes at 5.8 inches for the iPhone X and 6 inches for the Pixel 2 XL.

Inside, the iPhone X has a custom Apple-designed A11 processor, while the Pixel 2 XL features a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chip. In raw benchmarks, the iPhone X outperforms the Pixel 2 XL, but the differences in processor and GPU speed aren't as noticeable in real world usage. When it comes to intensive tasks, though, the iPhone X will handily outperform the Pixel 2 XL.

Both devices feature OLED displays, but the iPhone X's display is leagues better than the OLED display of the Pixel 2 XL. The Pixel 2 XL is plagued by serious display issues that have been making headlines for the last couple of weeks, including burn-in and bizarre color variations.

iPhone X and Pixel 2 XL both have impressive cameras and produce some amazing photos, but the Pixel 2 XL does a lot of what the iPhone X can do with just a single camera. Apple's iPhone X is equipped with dual 12-megapixel rear cameras, one with an f/1.8 wide-angle lens and the second with an f/2.4 telephoto lens, while the Pixel 2 XL is sporting just a single f/1.8 12-megapixel camera.

As for front-facing cameras, the Pixel 2 XL has an f/2.4 8-megapixel camera while the iPhone X is sporting an f/2.2 7-megapixel camera that also happens to be equipped with an additional infrared camera, sensor, and dot projector to enable Face ID, one of the flagship iPhone X features that gives the iPhone X an edge over the Pixel 2 XL.

Face ID has proven to be largely fast and accurate, making it an improvement over fingerprint sensing technology. Pixel 2 XL continues to offer a fingerprint sensor, albeit a fast and accurate one. Active Edge, the Pixel 2 XL's distinguishing feature, lets users squeeze the sides of the device to quickly activate Google Assistant. Speaking of Google Assistant, that's another feature where the Pixel 2 XL has an edge over the iPhone X -- many believe Google Assistant is more useful than Siri.

Pixel 2 XL has a larger battery than the iPhone X (though the iPhone X wins out in some battery life tests), but it doesn't offer the same Qi wireless charging functionality that's available in the iPhone X. It charges over USB-C, though, while the iPhone X continues to use a proprietary Lightning port for non-wireless charging purposes. Neither device has a headphone jack, as Google followed in Apple's footsteps and opted to rely solely on wireless technology.

So which of these devices is better? It's impossible to say. Both the iPhone X and the Google Pixel 2 XL are entirely different platforms, and each one is the best in its respective category. There are some things the Google Pixel 2 XL does better than the iPhone X, and some things the iPhone X does better than the Google Pixel 2 XL. Choosing one really comes down to the ecosystem you prefer -- iOS or Android.

Article Link: Apple's iPhone X vs. Google's Pixel 2 XL

Since receiving my Pixel 2 xl mid-October, I have had no issues with the screen. The phone is simply wonderful to use. Where I work, I have to power down my phone and put it in a lock box during the days when I'm performing certain work though most days, my phone stays in my vehicle while I work. This means I've seen a lot of power up cycles. It amazes me how fast this phone goes from off to ready. Simply amazing. And of course, I'm biased. We all are. Accept that fact. The Pixel 2 phones both have metal bodies, not plastic as some comment suggested. That is why they don't offer inductive charging. My previous phone had inductive charging and I was bummed to see this one did not. However, I've yet to run out of battery during the day. Plus, it charges freakishly fast anyway. The first day I had it, I ran it way down loading all my apps and files, plugged it in, when on a nature break, poured a drink, and that thing had already gained several hours worth of charge. Amazing. Inductive charging not needed. I'm sure when the first car without a hand crank start came out, people were upset... But, probably only until they realized they were upset about nothing. Another poster said "The iPhone has 5 years of updates while the Pixel 2 only has 2"... Boo hoo and all that. How many people who are tech headed enough to care about having the latest update genuinely keep a phone longer than 2 years anyway? I should sell forks with a 5,000 year warranty for the original owner. That will make it much better than those forks with only 40 year warranties. Anyway, a couple of observations and hopefully a chuckle or two... Later.
 
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Now that the new 2017 flagship smartphones from both Google and Apple are available and in the hands of consumers, we thought we'd compare Apple's iPhone X with the Google Pixel 2 XL to see how these two devices measure up.

In the video below, we took a look at specific features of both phones, including design, hardware, camera and display, along with each device's unique features like Face ID and Active Edge. We also compared what it's like using each phone on a day to day basis to give an overall picture of the similarities and differences between each of the devices.


Both the Google Pixel 2 XL and the iPhone X have high price points ($849 for the former and $999 for the latter), and similar display sizes at 5.8 inches for the iPhone X and 6 inches for the Pixel 2 XL.

Inside, the iPhone X has a custom Apple-designed A11 processor, while the Pixel 2 XL features a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chip. In raw benchmarks, the iPhone X outperforms the Pixel 2 XL, but the differences in processor and GPU speed aren't as noticeable in real world usage. When it comes to intensive tasks, though, the iPhone X will handily outperform the Pixel 2 XL.

Both devices feature OLED displays, but the iPhone X's display is leagues better than the OLED display of the Pixel 2 XL. The Pixel 2 XL is plagued by serious display issues that have been making headlines for the last couple of weeks, including burn-in and bizarre color variations.

iPhone X and Pixel 2 XL both have impressive cameras and produce some amazing photos, but the Pixel 2 XL does a lot of what the iPhone X can do with just a single camera. Apple's iPhone X is equipped with dual 12-megapixel rear cameras, one with an f/1.8 wide-angle lens and the second with an f/2.4 telephoto lens, while the Pixel 2 XL is sporting just a single f/1.8 12-megapixel camera.

As for front-facing cameras, the Pixel 2 XL has an f/2.4 8-megapixel camera while the iPhone X is sporting an f/2.2 7-megapixel camera that also happens to be equipped with an additional infrared camera, sensor, and dot projector to enable Face ID, one of the flagship iPhone X features that gives the iPhone X an edge over the Pixel 2 XL.

Face ID has proven to be largely fast and accurate, making it an improvement over fingerprint sensing technology. Pixel 2 XL continues to offer a fingerprint sensor, albeit a fast and accurate one. Active Edge, the Pixel 2 XL's distinguishing feature, lets users squeeze the sides of the device to quickly activate Google Assistant. Speaking of Google Assistant, that's another feature where the Pixel 2 XL has an edge over the iPhone X -- many believe Google Assistant is more useful than Siri.

Pixel 2 XL has a larger battery than the iPhone X (though the iPhone X wins out in some battery life tests), but it doesn't offer the same Qi wireless charging functionality that's available in the iPhone X. It charges over USB-C, though, while the iPhone X continues to use a proprietary Lightning port for non-wireless charging purposes. Neither device has a headphone jack, as Google followed in Apple's footsteps and opted to rely solely on wireless technology.

So which of these devices is better? It's impossible to say. Both the iPhone X and the Google Pixel 2 XL are entirely different platforms, and each one is the best in its respective category. There are some things the Google Pixel 2 XL does better than the iPhone X, and some things the iPhone X does better than the Google Pixel 2 XL. Choosing one really comes down to the ecosystem you prefer -- iOS or Android.

Article Link: Apple's iPhone X vs. Google's Pixel 2 XL
 
I bought a Pixel phone a year ago and have no complaints -- it's the best phone I've ever owned, by far. My wife has an Iphone 7, and it's wonderful, for her. I have no doubts that the X phone is the best phone ever, but I bought a Pixel 2 XL this week and am very happy with it.

The last few things I've bought from Apple have all had problems (Logic board replaced on Macbook 12 and multiple keyboard problems with macbook pro, 13 and 15 inch -- and the ****ing spin drives they put in their new models of Imac's.) I'm starting to lose my faith in Apple -- I think they are cutting corners and costs to plow the money back into cars and fancy spoons and forks for their new spaceship.
 
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These phones aren't even on the same planet, for me personally.

The Pixel has an excellent camera but:
  • Mostly Plastic
  • Has Huge Bezels
  • An inferior OLED from LG. Color shift. Burn in.
  • Less premium build quality
  • Generally Ugly
  • No wireless charging.
  • Removed headphone jack after making fun of Apple...loses all credibility
The device is aluminum and glass, with a just as premium build with faster NFC and a removed headphone jack to implement something no consumer has seen yet. There is more to the pixel than any of us know. A whole processor is just sitting there waiting to be activated so we can't say whose is better until we know what it does. Not to mention the fact that LG pulled off making the phone in 8 months. The pixel 2 do was going to be the HTC U11 before HTC backed out and Google had to find someone else for their larger phone. The screen issues aren't nearly as bad as they are seeming to be. My screen looks amazing and pretty comparable to an iPhone X. I work in retail, so I've seen and used practically all of the new phones, and the iPhone X is the one I'm selling the least of. The iPhone 8, a much better option, is a lower cost with a much sturdier phone. By the way, drop your iPhone X, and it's $250 for a screen replacement, or Minimum $360 for anything else
 
If Pixel as it is didn't carry the Google badge, but had some Chinese brand attached to it, no on would take look at it twice. Like absolutely no one. Pixel is all about branding deviation of your perception. Knowing that you are using Google native product tips the scale by 25% at least, if not more.

Take a look at the Mi Mix 2, no one give a crap about it but if that thing was under Google branding it would be the best thing ever released on Android scene.

Don't get me wrong Pixels works like a flagship phone should but so does the Sony XZP which came out half a year ago, so does the Huawei P10 and many others.

Pixel is flagship Android phone but it's not the flagship of flagships in anyway like they want you to believe in.
 
I'm sorry, but let's recap Pixel 2/XL issues:

  • Grainy LED panel provided by LG, check
  • Burn-in on 2-week old LED green, check
  • Ships with missing accessories in the box, check
  • Ships with NO OPERATING SYSTEM, check
Who's the tester???

In my experience, zero of those things happened. How many of the problems that we hear about are just fake or lies? My Pixel 2 has been nothing but great so far. I'm sure the same is true of the iPhones. I trust my experience more than unsubstantiated claims. I clicked on this article because it was a "comparison" but ended up just being a "I feel like" piece. I'm now spending a few minutes clearing the air of conjecture, inaccuracies, and spreading rumors.
 
Without a doubt a can say that both phones are top of the line. I'm not refuting that the Pixel 2 XL has some screen issues, although I've actually looked at the screen and can clearly state that the problems are blown way out of proportion for the regular user (testing conditions were not realistic average scenarios). Otherwise both phones are excellent. HOWEVER, the main issue I have with Apple devices is that even though you get 5 years of software updates you get a reduction, a decay, of usability. Those software updates from Apple get programmed for the new hardware standard, leaving the old hardware behind and now you have a nerfed phone in 2 years. Browsers and core apps slow significantly. Anyone here have a 3+ yr old iDevice like an iPad 4 that now types with lag? Why should something as basic as typing have programmed obsolescence. It should get faster with improvements and efficiency, not slower. I believe Android devices, especially those designed by Google directly have better lifespans because their OS is designed to work with slower hardware. In the future I plan on just changing out my battery for a few bucks and still be able to maintain an excellent level of experience because Android OS will still work as good as it did when I first got it. Can the same be said for iPhones? I doubt. The life of an Android device surpasses 2years. iPhones are tarred in 2 years.
 
If Pixel as it is didn't carry the Google badge, but had some Chinese brand attached to it, no on would take look at it twice. Like absolutely no one. Pixel is all about branding deviation of your perception. Knowing that you are using Google native product tips the scale by 25% at least, if not more.

Take a look at the Mi Mix 2, no one give a crap about it but if that thing was under Google branding it would be the best thing ever released on Android scene.

Don't get me wrong Pixels works like a flagship phone should but so does the Sony XZP which came out half a year ago, so does the Huawei P10 and many others.

Pixel is flagship Android phone but it's not the flagship of flagships in anyway like they want you to believe in.

Only Android phone that is smooth and has easily the best smartphone camera ever and no body would be interested? It also has a chip that can do over 3 trillions OPS.

Front portrait mode also and no other. Simply bizzare comment.
 
The main difference is that with Apple, YOU are the tester!
Excuse me? For the last 4 years how many times did Google released a new product and killed it. Yeah that’s more like a market testing for me. Not denying the early adopters of Apple products are beta testers. But they keep the product and improve as opposed to killing it off completely.
 
iPhone X is clearly far superior to the Pixel. And Apple is pushing the boundaries of user experience in a much more polished and usable way than Google. And as others have noted, Apple actually cares about privacy and respects their customers instead of exploiting them as Google does.

No brainer: X
 
iPhone X is clearly far superior to the Pixel. And Apple is pushing the boundaries of user experience in a much more polished and usable way than Google. And as others have noted, Apple actually cares about privacy and respects their customers instead of exploiting them as Google does.

No brainer: X
In what way does Google exploit you on a Google phone that Google doesn't exploit you when you're using Google services on an iPhone X?
 
Apple and Tim Crook (oops, Crook? I meant Cook) "lost all credibility" when they said last year they pay all their taxes and don't hide overseas money, yet we find out through the Paradise Papers that was all BS. They hide their money in the English Channel and pay minimum tax while hoarding $265B overseas.

That's totally unAmerican wouldn't you say? Of course not. Because they made a shiny new toy to distract you.
Lol, Apple breaks no laws and certainly doesn’t do anything Microsoft, Foogle, and others do. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. You want to cry about tax avoidance, call your senator.

1) Apple pays more taxes than any company in America.
2) Apple has broken no law.
3) Apple is smart and takes advantage of LEGAL ways of avoiding tax on foreign income.
4) Apple answers to shareholders and has to do what’s in the best interest of the owners of the company.
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Wasn’t it Samsung that teased Apple about removing the 3.5mm headphone jack?
Regardless, yes on quality. With only a couple of exceptions, iPhones have always been the Benz to Android-running Kias.
In the original Pixel keynote, Google did as well.
 
The main difference is that with Apple, YOU are the tester!

This statement couldn't be further from the truth. As a customer of every tech company that has ever existed, Apple is the one company that I have never seen release a product that is laughably unfinished. If there's ever one thing to give them credit for, that is it.
 
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I picked up an iPhone X at my local Apple store and waited until I got home to activate it. The iOS 11 "copy from an existing phone" functionality is almost like magic. Just hold your new iPhone over your old iPhone to capture the "moving particle" image and within minutes your new iPhone starts restoring the latest iCloud backup to it.
 
As a Pixel 2 XL owner, I feel like I need to defend it a bit.

  • The phone isn't technically plastic. It's a metal uni-body with a plastic coating. The end result makes it seem mostly plastic, but the strength of a metal bodied phone is still there.
  • Huge bezels on the Pixel 2, yes. Pixel 2 XL has MUCH smaller bezels, definitely not what I would call "huge". Not everyone cares as much about that though, and it's hard to compare to the iPhone X which basically has NO bezels.
  • The LG OLED display has had some major QC issues. The varying degrees of blue shift, grainyness, and the "black crush" issue people have had, to me, fall under QC issues. The burn-in is more a problem inherent with the display itself. For whatever reason, LG's OLED display seems to suffer from it much worse than Samsung's do. My experience has been just fine. My brother has the iPhone X and there is also color shift when tilting it as well, though a bit less. My particular device hasn't suffered from the grainy issues, and I haven't noticed any burn-in yet.
  • Less premium build quality? This one is hard to argue. The use of glass on the back of the iPhone X, in my opinion, isn't indicative of a premium-or-not build quality. It's more the little things that make the real difference. The power button on my Pixel 2 XL pretty much has to be pressed dead center. It's a little mushy on the edges of the button. Things like that, I feel, are more telling of the build quality.
  • Whether it's ugly or not is a matter of opinion, and saying "generally", to me, is the same as saying "objectively". I actually really like the look of the phone. Shrinking the glass portion on the back from the OG Pixel was a big improvement. The iPhone X is also a great looking phone, but again, this is a subjective matter.
  • I feel like the lack of wireless charging isn't an issue. Especially considering this is the first generation of iPhones to actually include it. Does it suck that it's not there for people that want it? Yes. Did I ever use it when I had phones that included it? No. Other people care more about it, but it's not a big deal to me since I can go a full day on one charge and I always charge it when I sleep.
  • This one's tough. This is the problem with marketing departments using attacks on other devices to sell their own. It's something that never should have happened, but it's not a reason to put a mark against this particular phone. The marketing department for the Pixels aren't the ones that actually design them. They're just trying to find the best way to make people feel like they want to buy their phone vs the competition's, and they made a stupid stupid choice. Does this make me question Google's marketing? Yes, it does. Do I feel like this make Google as a whole lose credibility? Certainly not.
I don't want this to seem like an attack on your opinions. You are entitled to feel how you feel about it, as is every one else. I suppose I just wanted put my own opinion out there.
So I was pretty much right on all my points?
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The device is aluminum and glass, with a just as premium build with faster NFC and a removed headphone jack to implement something no consumer has seen yet. There is more to the pixel than any of us know. A whole processor is just sitting there waiting to be activated so we can't say whose is better until we know what it does. Not to mention the fact that LG pulled off making the phone in 8 months. The pixel 2 do was going to be the HTC U11 before HTC backed out and Google had to find someone else for their larger phone. The screen issues aren't nearly as bad as they are seeming to be. My screen looks amazing and pretty comparable to an iPhone X. I work in retail, so I've seen and used practically all of the new phones, and the iPhone X is the one I'm selling the least of. The iPhone 8, a much better option, is a lower cost with a much sturdier phone. By the way, drop your iPhone X, and it's $250 for a screen replacement, or Minimum $360 for anything else
Get real. It’s not a premium build. You have an all plastic button and your entire phone is dipped in plastic. Your screen is awful. You don’t have wireless charging. Your phone is SUPER expensive for an Android phone.

The only thing good on the Pixel 2 is the camera, period.
 
Unmm first of all, the article is incorrect on pricing. You are comparing a $750 device to a $1000 device. Of course the iPhone 10 is better. It's $250 more expensive (that's 25% more). It BETTER be better. It's like saying the Hyundai accent vs the Audi TT. Which is better? Lol. Compare 2 phones closer in price for a better argument on whether the phone is worth the money or not. (hint: it's not).
 
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