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I'm pretty sure that there IS a corporation between me and the parts...the ones who make them, market them and sell them! Do you think there isn't a markup on things that you buy from newegg or frys? The stuff I am referring too are the top shelf parts that you see advertised on sites like Anandtech etc. These aren't cheap. The point was it's still cheaper than any kind of mac pro, though of course you don't get the really nice case. There are still good cases to be had however.

The simple fact of the matter is that Apple's have a fairly large price premium on them. There is just no way around that. I have two mac's myself and am planning on a current pro. This is simply because I want to use OSX (along with windows when needed) and it's the only way to get it. People who like to say "Apple hardware is superior!" though are just flat out wrong. It's the same stuff as in PC's if not worse. The designs are obviously the best however. But we gotta be real about it.

You are right, but Apple is an additional link in the chain when you buy from them and that is an extra reason for added expenses. (Not to mention the fact that the Mac Pro is more than the sum of its individual parts, the OS, development, marketing, and support involved). It's obvious the Mac Pro is more expensive than something you can build yourself, but take a look at workstations sold by other big name corporations and how expensive they are. Still, the people that the Mac Pro is designed for usually don't have the time to build let alone support their own computers if something goes wrong. They are too busy trying to make money.
 
I've always wanted to know if Apple makes any profit from the XBox 360. Since the 360 uses PPC chips and Apple was one of the three companies that developed and owned (still owns?) the PPC chip, it stands to reason that Apple may be making a small amount off each XBox sold.

Not that I actually care much. I don't get into the MS-vs-Apple thing. I'm just big on the irony of it.
They don't, Microsoft has a PPC license and that's that. Apple hasn't been cooperating in the development of PPC processors for quite a while, they haven't even been using them for many years now.

I'd say it just as ironic as Apple computers using Microsoft software (even some hardware) in the late seventies.
 
I put together machines, with a professional result, in about an hour, and I wouldn't charge anyone 100 bucks to do so. It's not a hard task.

It may not be hard, but if you are going to sell them it WILL take more than an hour. You have to consider the time spent determining the customer's needs or exact request for certain parts, order them somehow, build the machine, install OS, install drivers, install additional software, test the entire configuration, package and deliver it to said customer.
 
Say all you want, OS X is a far far superior operating system to the abomination that is MS Windows. THAT is a fact. Has always been.

Things that PC users unfortunately take for granted every day (like rebooting to fix whatever problems they have, being worried to open a zip file cause it might contain a trojan, defragmentation, complete install every a couple of months..etc etc) just doesn't exist in Unix land.

You can go on mumbling all you want about smugness and what not but the fact still remains. Windows is mediocre software at best when compared to just about anything else out there.

what exacaly makes OSX superior to windows?

i have never seen OSX support so many diffrent types of hardware, be nearly as scaleable in a corporate environment nor have i seen OSX modified to a point where it can run on any HW (Carputer that can boot in 25 seconds)

OSX is missing alot of features windows provides (even simple things like cut and paste in explorer/finder)

for me windows doesnt crash every day, the only times windows does bluescreen is when i push my CPU too hard (overclock it from 2.2 to 3.3GHz, apparently the chip i got cant go past 3.14GHz) if i ran all my hardware at stock speeds (making it awfully slow, but still faster than an imac) i bet it would never crash, everything would run so cool i could probably just take out all the fans.

defragmentation wont exist once you join the 21st century, SSDs actaully will fail FASTER if you defrag them

with vista not very many viruses or trojans can be ran with out the UAC prompt coming up. so if a virus does infect its because of the user, not the OS.

not sure what you mean by "complete" install, my HTPC and desktop havent been formatted since 2006 and that was the original build date.
 
what exacaly makes OSX superior to windows?

It's easier and more pleasant to spend hours of your day in front of.

Yes, even with the annoying lack of finder window functionality - it is still more satisfying to use.

I speak as a user of both platforms for a decade and a half.

No doubt techies will debate long into to night about which is easier to work on, I am just giving my view as a layman as which is easier to work with.

More mac users know pc than vice versa, but I haven't heard anyone say they abandoned mac because vista was a better os.
 
With all the anti-Mac flaming on the net accusing Mac owners of elitism, etc. (usually from people who in the main have never even used OS X), I'd say "superior" isn't the best adjective to describe OS X. But I certainly think it's more intuitive &, by & large, more secure than Windows. It's also telling that some of the most glowing recommendations for OS X come from former PC users. :rolleyes: Anyone can Google & find no end of such posts. That said, I think a lot of people are probably okay enough with Windows PCs &, I admit, I'm kinda looking forward to Windows 7.

As for these ads: obviously both Apple & MS take some liberties with the truth, but I think the Mac ones are simply better in every respect. To me the MS ones suggest that mostly only really technologically clueless people buy PCs... which is probably true to a degree at least. :)
 
Met up with a trilingual techie mate this pm and he has seen a preview of Win 7 from someone who knows M$ products enough to get a legit copy.

Its not much to write home about, even the win nut that showed him is rather dissappointed.

Whatever is supposed to be 'new and exciting' isn't really that useful.

And it seemed to have trouble with his nvidia card.

I jumped to osx rather than going vista - don't feel the temptation need to go back.
 
Met up with a trilingual techie mate this pm and he has seen a preview of Win 7 from someone who knows M$ products enough to get a legit copy.

Its not much to write home about, even the win nut that showed him is rather dissappointed.

Whatever is supposed to be 'new and exciting' isn't really that useful.

And it seemed to have trouble with his nvidia card.

I jumped to osx rather than going vista - don't feel the temptation need to go back.
One of the greatest breakthrough features Win7 has to offer, is the advent of multi-touch to the screen of touchscreen laptops. I am certainly not looking forward to cleaning laptop screens on an hourly basis, and replacing them after six months, or less, due to impact damage. I imagine that your legit copy of Win7 is not much different from the beta version, currently in circulation. After all the development and hype devoted to Aero, it seems W7 has completely abandoned it, along with any hope for WinFS. All in all - there is much less here in W7 to WOW over than there was for it's ever so, prematurely, overhyped predecessor. At the very least, W7 seems to suck less at memory management than does Vista, although, ejecting items, customization, and the convoluted control panel leave much to be desired:
 

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If you want to tell which of 2 items is slightly hotter, don't use both hands, use one hand and keep switching between the two.

You will soon feel the relatively small difference magnified beyond doubt.

I use windows and osx daily - i miss more things from one than the other.

Oh - and there is one thing in the above screenshot that makes my blood run cold - "Let windows suggest...."

If ever there was one thing that summed up how to make a good feature into a trial of eternal torment - it was that ******** paper********clip.

I reinstalled XP on my pc because movie maker stopped working - and the acres of self-help garbage nag screens was just intolerable. It took days just to get back to somewhere comfortable. And MM STILL crashes on my login (but not the other login)

Whereas when i got my imac out of the box 2 years ago - my first experience of OSX - i was up and running in less than 60 seconds from plugging it in.
 
Met up with a trilingual techie mate this pm and he has seen a preview of Win 7 from someone who knows M$ products enough to get a legit copy.

Its not much to write home about, even the win nut that showed him is rather dissappointed.

Whatever is supposed to be 'new and exciting' isn't really that useful.

And it seemed to have trouble with his nvidia card.

I jumped to osx rather than going vista - don't feel the temptation need to go back.

He's far from alone in having that opinion as by no means everything I've read about Win 7 has been positive (which poster preceding your last post & many others confirm).

After the general huge disappointment that greeted Vista, I think it's too easy to hype up how good Win 7 will be compared to, say, Snow Leopard. But the biggest obstacle MS may face could be winning over the XP crowd, bearing in mind that only the most expensive versions of Win 7 will have XP mode (even Home Premium won't have it). Though I'm interested in Win 7, it certainly won't be at the expense of my Macs. :)
 
My works pc is up for replacement in 12 months (4-year UK local gov replacement cycle.)

Will it be Win7 or will they stick with XP?

(we still have to use IE6)
 
Hard to say.

But i sincerely doubt the local gov will be even thinking about vista, so its sucessor will have to be bulletproof if global swap is to be made across the network.

Trouble is - my pc has now been running xp for 3 years and is slowing down considerably.

That is why i made them buy me a macbook for "design reasons". :D

And you know what?

On the e-procurement service for buying new tech - the basic standard 13" laptop we have to buy from dell - is £700.
 
In 12 months time, will you even have that choice? :rolleyes:
XP still holds 63% within Window's 88% market share. It is doubtful XP users will want to upgrade, even if threats of "End of Support" are issued. There simply are not enough advantages nor differentiation to sway XP users over to W7. Perhaps, when W8 surfaces is eight years, things may become a bit more compelling.
 
Time will tell, but this bit about XP mode may be of interest to those expecting acceptable XP compatibility & is germane to my previous point: XP mode in Windows 7 is a scam
XPM will be made available free of charge for Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate. Other versions will require a charge for XPM - this simply will not fly for the vast majority of business owners. Eight years isn't that long a wait - really.
 
XPM will be made available free of charge for Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate. Other versions will require a charge for XPM - this simply will not fly for the vast majority of business owners. Eight years isn't that long a wait - really.

I'm sure you're right that most XP users will want to stick with XP for as long as they can for a number of reasons - in some cases, possibly longer than 8 years. :) I just hope that those XP users being lulled by Windows 7's XP mode realize that they're unlikely to be too impressed by the overall performance, at least going by the article I linked.
 
Life Long Windows User

I had been a life long windows user a supporter. I had many friends around me telling me how great Mac OS X was and that I should change over. I resisted with every fiber of my being, I saw Mac as something people bought because it was the cool thing. Then I bought an iPhone and was blown away by it's ease of use and how pleasant it was to operate, you see I had also been a Windows Mobile man. My exposure to the iPhone slowly peaked my curiosity about Mac OS X and tear down my reluctance to try it out. The one thing that I still had to get around was the cost of owning a Mac. After months of going to Best Buy and cruising past the Apple display area and playing with the Mac I finally built up the courage to purchase my MacBook. I have had my MacBook now for 6 months and I have yet to experience a crash a freeze up or that dreaded blue screen, the battery life is incredible, it's fast simple and simple to use, it's an all around joy. The money I paid for my Mac was worth every single penny. I have come full circle, I was a windows user who is now the biggest Mac & Apple supporter out there. My brother gave me a Windows Media Center PC and after a couple of times it crashed or things didn't work right I had enough and I just purchased a Mac Mini and the Elgato 250 Plus Hybrid Tuner to use it as my Mac Mini Media Center. I enjoy my Mac so much that I have gotten on a Mac shopping spree that is yet to end, LOL. (iPhone, Macbook, Mac Mini, Apple Time Capsule, & Apple AirPort Express.) I thank the iPhone for opening my eyes and I would like to apologize to all the Mac owners I rebuffed in the past thinking that you were just trying to be cool. Once you go Mac you never go back. Mac rules!
 
One of the greatest breakthrough features Win7 has to offer, is the advent of multi-touch to the screen of touchscreen laptops. I am certainly not looking forward to cleaning laptop screens on an hourly basis, and replacing them after six months, or less, due to impact damage. I imagine that your legit copy of Win7 is not much different from the beta version, currently in circulation. After all the development and hype devoted to Aero, it seems W7 has completely abandoned it, along with any hope for WinFS. All in all - there is much less here in W7 to WOW over than there was for it's ever so, prematurely, overhyped predecessor. At the very least, W7 seems to suck less at memory management than does Vista, although, ejecting items, customization, and the convoluted control panel leave much to be desired:

Awwww do you clean your iPhone screen? Must be a big chore.... And all that impact damage... lol.. listen to yourself
 
I had been a life long windows user a supporter. I had many friends around me telling me how great Mac OS X was and that I should change over. I resisted with every fiber of my being, I saw Mac as something people bought because it was the cool thing. Then I bought an iPhone and was blown away by it's ease of use and how pleasant it was to operate, you see I had also been a Windows Mobile man. My exposure to the iPhone slowly peaked my curiosity about Mac OS X and tear down my reluctance to try it out. The one thing that I still had to get around was the cost of owning a Mac. After months of going to Best Buy and cruising past the Apple display area and playing with the Mac I finally built up the courage to purchase my MacBook. I have had my MacBook now for 6 months and I have yet to experience a crash a freeze up or that dreaded blue screen, the battery life is incredible, it's fast simple and simple to use, it's an all around joy. The money I paid for my Mac was worth every single penny. I have come full circle, I was a windows user who is now the biggest Mac & Apple supporter out there. My brother gave me a Windows Media Center PC and after a couple of times it crashed or things didn't work right I had enough and I just purchased a Mac Mini and the Elgato 250 Plus Hybrid Tuner to use it as my Mac Mini Media Center. I enjoy my Mac so much that I have gotten on a Mac shopping spree that is yet to end, LOL. (iPhone, Macbook, Mac Mini, Apple Time Capsule, & Apple AirPort Express.) I thank the iPhone for opening my eyes and I would like to apologize to all the Mac owners I rebuffed in the past thinking that you were just trying to be cool. Once you go Mac you never go back. Mac rules!

Manny13z, your experience sounds very familiar to mine - a die-hard Windows and Windows Mobile user who was finally won over by the iPhone, and now absolutely thrilled with my new Macbook Pro. I don't see myself going back to Windows anytime soon. I'll keep an open mind (after all, if I hadn't been open-minded I never would have tried a Mac in the first place), but it's going to take a LOT to bring me back to the Windows fold.
 
Manny13z, your experience sounds very familiar to mine - a die-hard Windows and Windows Mobile user who was finally won over by the iPhone, and now absolutely thrilled with my new Macbook Pro. I don't see myself going back to Windows anytime soon. I'll keep an open mind (after all, if I hadn't been open-minded I never would have tried a Mac in the first place), but it's going to take a LOT to bring me back to the Windows fold.

One of the things I realized when I switched over was how unhappy I was with Windows I just didn't know any better. I have a windows mobile phone for work and I absolutely hate that thing, so much so that I have convinced the owner of my company to switch us over to the iPhone, it wasn't very hard to convince him because he is also extremely frustrated with Windows. After our chat about the iPhone he brought up the idea of changing our whole office to Mac.
 
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