Apple's Live Photos Take Up About 2x Space of Normal Images

[Soccertess]

Didn't Phil say the live pictures are about the same size as a normal photo? I might have heard incorrectly though...

 

[Jsameds]

I'd say they truly missed an opportunity here to offer a 256GB option. 4K video, 12MP photos, and motion photos? There's no question people who know what they're doing would have jumped at it ... Even if only on the S Plus. This would have also addressed a true iPod Classic replacement, giving customers over 160GB of music storage, with a significantly useable amount of space left for the iPhone features.

It'll come in time, most likely with the iP7, or maybe they'll even add it on to the 6s later on in the cycle like they did with the 128GB iPad.

 

[cfedu]

Fair enough, but still that's a specific deal. Also iPhones are expensive, everyone knows that, but it's worth it. That's why they're so popular despite the outlay.

I agree, I don't represent the average customer. The day I do represent the average customer is the day Apple stock goes down 50%. The way carriers market android in Canada makes it easy to get free phone. I picked up a moto G at costco last year for 0$ canceled right away and paid 159$ to cancel and kept the phone and the $225 costco giftcard. I made 65$ and got a free phone which I gave to my dad.

 

[John Mcgregor]

No, it's the same.

No its diff

The same applies to HDR or bust mode. But I see that you already moved the goalposts from 'How dare they add a feature that everybody is forced to use' to 'How dare they enable a feature by default'.

The same applies to HDR or bust mode. But I see that you already moved the goalposts from 'How dare they add a feature that everybody is forced to use' to 'How dare they enable a feature by default'.

HDR is not ON by default. You can turn it on yourself, but normally it will turn on only when the conditions are right.

Live Photos and HDR is nowhere in the same neighborhood.

 

[oldmacs]

People can afford a $1000 phone current model phone but cannot afford a $1100 phone? What about an iPhone 6 from last year with 64 GB of storage for $1000?

Yes yes, shift the blame from Apple onto consumers. This would not be an issue if the base phone was 32GB.

Not everyone is made of money and $150 is a lot of money. The iPhone is over priced to hell here so why should users have to pay for upgrades (also priced to hell) when they shouldn't need to .

 

[naeS1Sean]

I like this. Very Harry Potter-ish.

Ha! Yes! HP <333

 

[Jsameds]

What's funny about this is it took Apple sticking to a 16GB base model to realise Apple rip people off. How is it you all have only just realised this now? And if you knew it all along, why is it only upsetting you now? It's not as if Apple have been charging extortionate prices for additional iPhone storage since 2007... Oh wait, they have......


The reason they get away with it is their products are just so damn good.

 

[oldmacs]

If I were an Apple stock holder, I would have a much better forum available to me to address such issues.

How am I defending Apple? I simply stated what many others have stated on the subject -- no one is forcing anyone to buy the 16GB iPhone. And to say that it is unfair of Apple to keep this as the entry level model is childish and shows a real lack of perspective.

Its not unfair, its more just Apple showing off its mega-greedy side again. And the fact that people defend that is beyond me. You are defending Apple by blaming consumers.

 

[oldmacs]

What's funny about this is it took Apple sticking to a 16GB base model to realise Apple rip people off. How is it you all have only just realised this now? And if you knew it all along, why is it only upsetting you now? It's not as if Apple have been charging extortionate prices for additional iPhone storage since 2007... Oh wait, they have......


The reason they get away with it is their products are just so damn good.

Apple is always expensive, but price rises and the fact that this is a ripe example of an Apple rip off is why people are complaining. There is a rip off, and there is are major rip offs, and this falls into the later category.

I think it also scares people in that it is a clear sign Apple doesn't care for the experience anymore. The experience of a 16GB PREMIUM minimum $1079 phone (in my country) is not a good one for anyone other than your very basic user. Its all about penny pinching these days.

Also how on earth are their products all so "dammed good" when you have Apple pulling stunts such as the Mini 3, 1GB of ram in the 6 and then this.

 

[Jsameds]

Apple is always expensive, but price rises and the fact that this is a ripe example of an Apple rip off is why people are complaining. There is a rip off, and there is are major rip offs, and this falls into the later category.

I think it also scares people in that it is a clear sign Apple doesn't care for the experience anymore. The experience of a 16GB PREMIUM minimum $1079 phone (in my country) is not a good one for anyone other than your very basic user. Its all about penny pinching these days.

16 --> 64GB for $100 is better than 16 --> 32GB for the same price. That's how I see it. As a middle tier person I've actually get a better deal, which is why I'm happy.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

The 16GB model should exist, but it should NOT cost as much as the current one does. The point is that either Apple should just sell a 32GB model instead of the 16 at the same price, or put the price of the 16 down and introduce the 32 at the old 16 price.

Nobody is asking apple to get rid of their cheapest price tier.

I think the 16g is priced just fine. You, like many others are too focused on what you can't do with that amount of storage and not looking on what you CAN do with the phone. Not everyone takes 10k photos and keeps a 50g music library they will never listen to.

An iPhone with 16g of storage will still do far more than what many consumers need. It will do what THEY WANT, which makes the phone worth the money to them.

-maps
-FaceTime
-big screen
-iMessage
-view shared photos
-watch videos from YouTube and other streaming services
--phone calls
-calander
-notes
-music, both stored and streaming
- pay
-news
-newsstand
-Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/etc
-contacts
-calculator
-email
-even pages and numbers don't use much space for most people
-you can even fit in a bunch of shopping, fuel tracking, and other fun apps that don't use big storage.

Many of those people will even want a love image of their kids/grandkids on the home screen!


There is a massive amount of stuff people can do with a 16g iPhone!!

All the people bitching about it sound like little whiners that can't see past their own wallet and use case!

Does anyone else think this is kind of gimmicky and pointless?

We were watching the keynote last night with several families around and I watched several people literally jump up and down excited about this feature. They were mostly moms and grand parents that were very excited to have moving wallpapers of their children/grandchildren!

So, like most complaints here, just because it's pointless to YOU doesn't mean it's pointless to everyone! This little feature may win over many customers as people share family live-photos.

 

[oldmacs]

I think the 16g is priced just fine. You, like many others are too focused on what you can't do with that amount of storage and not looking on what you CAN do with the phone. Not everyone takes 10k photos and keeps a 50g music library they will never listen to.

An iPhone with 16g of storage will still do far more than what many consumers need. It will do what THEY WANT, which makes the phone worth the money to them.

-maps
-FaceTime
-big screen
-iMessage
-view shared photos
-watch videos from YouTube and other streaming services
--phone calls
-calander
-notes
-music, both stored and streaming
- pay
-news
-newsstand
-Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/etc
-contacts
-calculator
-email
-even pages and numbers don't use much space for most people
-you can even fit in a bunch of shopping, fuel tracking, and other fun apps that don't use big storage.

Many of those people will even want a love image of their kids/grandkids on the home screen!


There is a massive amount of stuff people can do with a 16g iPhone!!

All the people bitching about it sound like little whiners that can't see past their own wallet and use case!









We were watching the keynote last night with several families around and I watched several people literally jump up and down excited about this feature. They were mostly moms and grand parents that were very excited to have moving wallpapers of their children/grandchildren!

So, like most complaints here, just because it's pointless to YOU doesn't mean it's pointless to everyone! This little feature may win over many customers as people share family live-photos.

You're missing the point. The specific users you're bringing up are also being ripped off. They shouldn't be paying the current price for a 16GB phone.

Of course there are plenty of basic users, its not hard to realise that. However a large number of people who purchase a 16GB phone do take photos, they do use apps and they do film. They are being significantly ripped off.

 

[oldmacs]

16 --> 64GB for $100 is better than 16 --> 32GB for the same price. That's how I see it. As a middle tier person I've actually get a better deal, which is why I'm happy.

That doesn't matter - the 16GB price tier should be 32GB, and the only reason it isn't is to allow for Apple's inflated margins to be even more so.

 

[AngerDanger]

Yep, very true. It's just a little frustrating when you consider all that BS rhetoric they give about 'making the best products in the world' and 'we only think about the user experience', and 'we don't ship junk/profits aren't important'. It's all rubbish.

I think it would be more "sane" if a company dedicated to great products and technology (which they have, by the way), decide that upgrading the 16GB base storage introduced with the iPhone 3GS would be a pretty good idea.

Seeing as within the last 6 years: pictures take more space, apps are bigger, there are more apps available, the OS takes more space, software updates are larger, videos take more space, app caches are larger, and people install more apps by default.

The 6/6S is a lovely phone, and they're crippling it with the storage. They should have just done a modest base storage upgrade to 32GB with the iPhone 6, and nobody would have complained. Instead, by leaving it at 16GB, they've now put themselves in an awkward position where they can't do any upgrades without looking like they're backtracking or responding to user backlash.

All they had to do was make a 32/64/128GB tier with the 6. Nobody would have complained and Apple wouldn't come across as money-hungry hippos.

Ugh, we get it; cheapskates like you are unwilling to buy an iPhone and simply pop in a micro SD ca—… uh, a Lightning connector and constantly pull media from a computer you tote around with you at all times.

Guys, can someone (maybe a developer) please explain to me why -if really not- the iPhone 6 and 6+ should not support the creation / capture of 'live photos'?
The article specifically states that they basically already capture everything up until the shot is taken but dump everything prior to that. So what's the deal?
a) insufficient specs?
or
b) this restriction makes a good reason for 6/6+ owners to upgrade.
Anyone?

I'm going to go with B. Like Siri initially being on the 4S only, live photo exclusivity is most likely do to the technical constraints of 'trying to make a similar product more appealing'. Apple probably spent months trying to figure out how to have live photo creation on the iP6 and release an appealing S upgrade, but the… technology wasn't ready.

 

[BornAgainMac]

Didn't Phil say the live pictures are about the same size as a normal photo? I might have heard incorrectly though...

The pics don't take up much more room is what he said.

 

[Jsameds]

That doesn't matter - the 16GB price tier should be 32GB, and the only reason it isn't is to allow for Apple's inflated margins to be even more so.

Well it isn't, and to be honest there's no point arguing about it. Like I said, use this time wasted to work some overtime at your job and you can upgrade to the 64GB for free

If not - vote with your wallet and don't buy an iPhone if you disagree with it that strongly.

 

[jtrenda33]

Not everyone is made of money. Plenty of people buy an iPhone for the long run and really don't have the cash up front to upgrade. The 6 + is already $1229 for 16GB.. another $150 on top of that is ridiculous when at the end of the day Apple is rolling in the dough, they can afford a 32GB model.

I know, that's why I still currently have a 5. And in the U.S., which is all I care about, the 16GB 6 Plus is nowhere close to $1229.

 

[Jaro65]

Apple just keeps milking their followers. 16GB entry storage and yet they've added Live Photos and 4k video recording? Sigh. At least I plan to go for the 128GB but I feel bad for those on a budget or who don't know what 16GB really means.

Apple claims that their focus has been always around user experience. It is rather apparent here that the focus is more on profitability, at the expense of user experience.

 

[waveman]

I think the 16GB 6S is there because the 6 is no longer sold in gold. Since gold is the most popular color, and Apple knows that the 6 & 6 Plus will heavily cannibalize from the 6S for the average customer, they wanted to make the gold 6S affordable (well, at least a premium upgrade). Otherwise 16GB makes no sense for anyone who is specifically buying the 6S for the cameras, video and photos. And let's face it what else is there in this update that will be meaningful to the average customer at this time?

People specifically buying the 6S for the cameras will surely know enough to get 128GB. But I suspect, other than those going for the gold, Apple will continue to sell a LOT of the 6 series. For $100 less, and negligible differences, most people would be foolish to spring for a 6S, especially if they opt for the 16GB model.

To be honest... no matter what color you choose, you should be able to have a great user experience. If you buy 16GB model, you should have 16GB of space in iCloud without paying anything extra. No, they give you 5GB, even though there are sooo many free cloud storage options when you get 50GB. C'mon Apple?! 5GB?? it's almost 2016!

I guess for most entry level users like me, the experience is still rather bad. You install some apps. take some photos. record one or 2 videos and that's it. The end of storage space. So - despite having iCloud, we cannot backup anything there, there is no space. So we need to take our lightning cable which broke 20 times already, connect our iPhones to our computers, move all the photos and videos, and of course keep some of our favourites on the phone. All this just to have a little more space, and be able to take some more photos. But. after a week, it's still not enough... so you keep connecting your phone, moving and deleting some photos... The same way like 10 years ago, the same way like 15 yeas ago! This is definitely not a great user experience.

If you cannot take photos and videos because of the lack of space on the device - you can only use it to make phone calls, and to check facebook, so if you don't need to check facebook every hour, you might as well go with a new model of NOKIA 105.

Now - let's compare my old iPhone 5 to this Nokia. I go to the mountains for a 1 day trip. I start early in the morning, my iPhone is fully charged, I'm ready. During the trip I decided to take some photos, a couple of videos, check-in a mountain hostel, and also to use maps from time to time. After 3-4 hours, I don't have in iPhone anymore as it's battery is completely drained. so, finally I can enjoy my trip like I used to, but if anything happened to me, I cannot even make a phone call.

I can also go on this trip with a Nokia 105. It cannot do anything so it's just there, in my pocket. It stays there, ready to be used in an emergency for 35 days!!! Yeah, the battery lasts for 35 days. But if I want to call someone during my trip, I can talk continuously for 12 hours!!. It cannot take photos though. So i have a tiny old school camera in my second pocket. It's got a 128GB space for photos, and it's battery lasts for days as well. The photos don't move though... but it's ok.. they're photos.

Apple - the technology you implement is fantastic. But it's all need space and power. Those are the only 2 things you don't deliver, so I can only enjoy your portable devices sitting on my couch connected to power sockets. And maybe this is what you actually want me to do!! I'm quite sure of that, given the fact that there is a new Apple TV where I can watch the mountains in full HD!

 

[ISanych]

Didn't Phil say the live pictures are about the same size as a normal photo? I might have heard incorrectly though...

If they would just store a lot of photos to play clip it would take up to 75 times more space (depends on framerate), so 2 times increase in size is very reasonable size increase for 3 sec video. I don't remember exact wording but I think he said something about efficiency - and it is very efficient format.

 

[oldmacs]

Well it isn't, and to be honest there's no point arguing about it. Like I said, use this time wasted to work some overtime at your job and you can upgrade to the 64GB for free

If not - vote with your wallet and don't buy an iPhone if you disagree with it that strongly.

Sigh...

No really no. I just don't see how people can justify Apple in this.

I couldn't give a flying damn about myself and the 6S, for me there is no 4 inch model so its next to useless. I'm talking about the broader scheme of things. All the people who will buy the 16GB and end up with a sub par product because Apple is not focused on customer experience anymore.

 

[Judas1]

The storage capacity schemes should allow people to choose the right storage size for their use. Apple's options are ridiculous. You can go with 16 Gb which is likely to be too small for the average user or get 64 Gb which is probably too large and wasteful for the average user. Its ridiculous to use this silly scheme to force more users to buy the 64 Gb model just because the 16 Gb model isn't a viable option. Pure greed at its worse. Just like sticking with 1 Gb of ram for so long. And we're talking about a company thats holding hundreds of billions of dollars that they're not even using for anything. Just sickening.

 

[oldmacs]

I know, that's why I still currently have a 5. And in the U.S., which is all I care about, the 16GB 6 Plus is nowhere close to $1229.

Not everyone lives in the US. Plenty of non US countries now have even more overpriced iPhones. Glad to know you only really care about Apple's product margins, rather than a good user experience for us as customers.

 

[Glassed Silver]

16GB lol.

Apple please. There has to be at least one sane person who thought "we can't ship 16GB phones" inside those walls, right? RIGHT?

Yeah, probably, HOPEFULLY, all of the engineers who got stern looks by Tim Cook (and maybe others) who like having raised the iPhone's ACTUAL base price by 100 bucks some time ago already and don't want to stop, because... Well people gave in, media is hardly blaming them, nobody dares to laugh during the keynote, ...

Apple and storage/memory options has always been a debacle, they will milk this as long as possible.

And when they do upgrade the base storage they will make it sound like they are being the most humble people to ever grace this planet earth. You know, just like they incentivized you with the 6 and 6s where the second tier storage option is a whopping 64GB for the same price. Wohoo, so generous!

Glassed Silver:mac

 

[keysofanxiety]

Ugh, we get it; cheapskates like you are unwilling to buy an iPhone and simply pop in a micro SD ca—… uh, a Lightning connector and constantly pull media from a computer you tote around with you at all times.

Well yeah, of course! That's why I got the new 12" MacBook, so I have an ultraportable whenever I need to use my phone. I just plug it into the USB po— ...uh, I mean, plug in my USB-C adapter that doesn't come with it, which I also tote around with me at all times.