Apple's Live Photos Take Up About 2x Space of Normal Images

[oldmacs]

You really don't get it do you?

The base price isn't about storage, its about features.


You, like many others here are looking at the phone based on storage. Storage is not the primary reason people buy an iPhone. They buy it for what it can do. Then......if you're the user that needs more storage you can pay for it.


It would be ripping people off to make them pay for storage they don't need.


I'd bet that a very large percentage of iPhone owners do just fine with 16g (which as posted above will still store a ton of photos)

Again again again missing the point. The point is that storage matters to many people. MANY people. It doesn't matter that some people don't use the storage, having more storage than they need (at the same price they already pay) or getting the same storage for less IS AN ADVANTAGE. If Apple put customer experience first it would do this, giving those who need more storage on a budget their extra storage, and those who don't, the same amount of storage for a lower price, or more storage that doesn't impact on them negatively for the SAME PRICE.

I am looking at the phone based on storage because that is what the argument is about. We're not talking features here. The argument is that apple is ripping people off by offering a sub par base model phone. As simple as that. The BEST iPhone experience comes when people are NOT running out of storage space, and a bump to 32GB at no extra price to the customer would deliver that.

Sure a large number of people don't need storage, however your average young person (for example) with an iPhone has music, has photos has videos and has any number of other things. You ignore the fact that the iPhone is one of the most wildly used cameras and video cameras.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

But that's essentially saying that the 16GB is for people who won't use all the features that the phone is priced at for.

That simply isn't true at all.


It is for those users, (who are probably the vast majority of phone buyers), that have no interest in storing massive photo/video/music libraries.

EVERY other feature of the phone can be used to its fullest function for those users. Their only limitation is that they can't have 10,000 photos/videos/songs/music stored locally. They do have an option to upgrade their iCloud for pennies.

 

[HenryDJP]

That isn't really true. They may not buy the latest and largest phone every year. But just because you are on a budget doesn't mean you can't benefit from all the other things (especially communication tools) that an iPhone has.

These people may simply have longer buying cycles. iPhone 2 to 4s to 6s etc. Buying when the old phone no long works vs buying just because there is a new phone available.

Well you're coming up with anecdotes and an ideas of what you think people do. The reality is cheap Android phones have a larger penetration because of people on a budget. Apple products "in general" are not for people on a budget.

Just noticed you started the same line with someone else as well. Is that your forte today finding posts and telling people upfront that what they are saying simply isn't true?

 

[oldmacs]

They've not lost anything though, that's the point. They're complaining about not being given something for nothing. Life's not fair, that's just the way it is I'm afraid. First world problems, lol.

"I can't afford to record more than half an hour of 4K at a time on my new iPhone"

Its a 1st world problem that exists due to greed, and it shouldn't. Life isn't fair but Apple can afford to put more storage in. And yes in many countries people are loosing things, as the 16GB model is more expensive than it was before.

The iPhone in itself is a 1st world problem.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

Again again again missing the point.

I am looking at the phone based on storage because that is what the argument is about. We're not talking features here. The argument is that apple is ripping people off by offering a sub par base model phone. .

No, that is what YOU are making the argument about. It's because YOU are implying YOUR use case on EVERYONE and that is simply not the way the world works.

The phone does FAR FAR more than store pictures. Its too bad you don't know that.

 

[Jsameds]

This has to be the biggest troll over. Can't help but think how insane it is that Apple get a pass with this (unfortunately, we the consumer are to be blamed for it).

16GB iPhone:

• iOS 9 size has increased - takes more space.
• 12-Megapixel and Live photos takes 2x more space.
• 4K video recording size???
• More Bloatware (No option to delete them)
• 5GB iCloud as of 2015 and we are almost near 2016. Seriously?

32GB should be the entry level, if not, at least give us more cloud storage. and I am not even saying anything about 2GB ram...which seems too much to ask.

Let's be real now, Tim is all about the share holder and not what the consumer wants.

- iOS 9 size hasn't increased. In fact it's quite the opposite
- You can fit 2000 12MP photos on a 16GB iPhone
- 375MB per minute
- Bloatware? The overall OS uses less space!
- Cloud storage is cheap and local storage even cheaper

 

[ladycsr]

is there any reason why this feature shouldn't work on the iphone 5 and 6? it seems like a simple short video shoot.
or do they want us to upgrade t get what essentially is a gif/photo?

 

[Jsameds]

Its a 1st world problem that exists due to greed, and it shouldn't. Life isn't fair but Apple can afford to put more storage in. And yes in many countries people are loosing things, as the 16GB model is more expensive than it was before.

The iPhone in itself is a 1st world problem.

Not really. You will get more available storage space on a 16GB phone this year than you would the last due to iOS 9 going on a diet, so that is negated straight away.

 

[oldmacs]

That simply isn't true at all.


It is for those users, (who are probably the vast majority of phone buyers), that have no interest in storing massive photo/video/music libraries.

EVERY other feature of the phone can be used to its fullest function for those users. Their only limitation is that they can't have 10,000 photos/videos/songs/music stored locally. They do have an option to upgrade their iCloud for pennies.

I'd love to see your data for vast majority of users.

That argument is a joke. A 16GB 6S can apparently only hold 2000 of these new (on by default pictures). The average user takes around 1800 photos a year (as collected through phone usage studies). Combine that with apps and other things, thats storage gone quick smart.

And yet the solution is simple. Tell me what does the basic user have to loose by having a 32GB iPhone THAT THEY PAID THE SAME PRICE AS BEFORE ON.

Perhaps Apple should go back to 4GB iPhones instead if more storage than needed is a problem for these users.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

Well you're coming up with anecdotes and an idea of what you think people do. The reality is cheap Android phones have a larger penetration because of people on a budget. Apple products "in general" are not for people on a budget.

Just noticed you started the same line with someone else as well. Is that your forte today finding posts and telling people upfront that what they are saying simply isn't true?

I study buyer behavior for money


Techies are often blinded by their own use cases and can't see that *buyers* are different than *enthusiasts*.

The iPhone has thousands of uses for the average *buyer* that don't include using lots of storage.

 

[ladycsr]

- Cloud storage is cheap and local storage even cheaper

Edit:- sorry, I meant to respond to someone else about using cloud storage instead.

t-mobile only gives me 5 gig transfer a month and I used that on browsing the net... you did not make this sound good at all.

 

[oldmacs]

Not really. You will get more available storage space on a 16GB phone this year than you would the last due to iOS 9 going on a diet, so that is negated straight away.

Thats not going to solve anything. The gains are very minimal. Apple should suck it up and do the right thing.

 

[HenryDJP]

I heartedly believe that Apple stuck with the 16gb "entry level" in order to sell more 64gb phones.

I hate to be that guy that says "Duh", but of course that was Apple's M.O. I think everybody here figured that out.

 

[JohnApples]

That simply isn't true at all.


It is for those users, (who are probably the vast majority of phone buyers), that have no interest in storing massive photo/video/music libraries.

EVERY other feature of the phone can be used to its fullest function for those users. Their only limitation is that they can't have 10,000 photos/videos/songs/music stored locally. They do have an option to upgrade their iCloud for pennies.

It's still about the principle of the thing. If all the other competition (literally every other flag ship phone priced above $550) can, and has been, offering 32GB base, why can't Apple? If the base was, say, 32GB, light users won't be hurt by this. They'll now have an abundance of storage.

Yeah I know the answer— they CAN, but they choose to maximize profit because they know people will buy up the phone anyway (and it makes the 64GB look like a "good deal"). I still don't think they should design their flagship, most advanced and most expensive smartphone, around light users.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

I'd love to see your data for vast majority of users.

That argument is a joke. A 16GB 6S can apparently only hold 2000 of these new (on by default pictures). The average user takes around 1800 photos a year (as collected through phone usage studies). Combine that with apps and other things, thats storage gone quick smart.

And yet the solution is simple. Tell me what does the basic user have to loose by having a 32GB iPhone THAT THEY PAID THE SAME PRICE AS BEFORE ON.

Perhaps Apple should go back to 4GB iPhones instead if more storage than needed is a problem for these users.

Your argument is equally a joke unless you can provide data too. And not data collected on avid phone users but the real world people that don't share their usage stats or take surveys.

I bet Apple sells a massive ton of "basic" iPhones because there is a 16g version.

 

[oldmacs]

It's still about the principle of the thing. If all the other competition (literally every other flag ship phone priced above $550) can, and has been, offering 32GB base, why can't Apple? If the base was, say, 32GB, light users won't be hurt by this. They'll now have an abundance of storage.

Yeah I know the answer— they CAN, but they choose to maximize profit because they know people will buy up the phone anyway (and it makes the 64GB look like a "good deal"). I still don't think they should design their flagship, most advanced and most expensive smartphone, around light users.

oh no, didn't you hear? 32GB phones cause instant illness to casual users - the extra storage is just such a negative for them.

 

[H2SO4]

I am one of these people. Many companies release all sorts of stuff that don't suit my needs but it doesn't mean they should't. They can release whatever the heck they want. It's up to the consumer to be smart and buy what suits their needs. You think 16gb is not good for you, then don't buy it ...period. If people don't buy it, Apple will move on and release higher entry level.

You still don’t get it. Not everybody is smart and this is the thing that Apple purport to understand. Also exploit.

 

[HenryDJP]

Me!! why would Apple forgo the extra 100$ of profit. As long as people are buying iPhone in record numbers, I support their decision. Just think of it as a price hike of 100$

While I get the message you're trying to relay, it made me chuckle a bit. While I understand why Apple does this I would never bravely say in an open forum that I support their decision.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

It's still about the principle of the thing. If all the other competition (literally every other flag ship phone priced above $550) can, and has been, offering 32GB base, why can't Apple? If the base was, say, 32GB, light users won't be hurt by this. They'll now have an abundance of storage.

Yeah I know the answer— they CAN, but they choose to maximize profit because they know people will buy up the phone anyway (and it makes the 64GB look like a "good deal"). I still don't think they should design their flagship, most advanced and most expensive smartphone, around light users.

Because  isn't pricing other phones, they are pricing theirs. Porsche shouldn't have to sell at Hyundai prices just because Hyundai decided to have a lower price. Apple, like Porsche tries to provide a higher quality experience at many levels and charges what people will pay!

That last part in bold is important. People buy these phones over cheaper phones WILLINGLY. This isn't like raising the price on life saving medicine to force those with no choice to buy it.

 

[ladycsr]

I hate to be that guy that says "Duh", but of course that was Apple's M.O. I think everybody here figured that out.

Not really.. if apple wanted to sell more 64 phones they would have not made the 16 model to begin with.
I think the 16gig model is there so they can say "starts at $199" or whatever the lowest possible price is.

 

[oldmacs]

Your argument is equally a joke unless you can provide data too. And not data collected on avid phone users but the real world people that don't share their usage stats or take surveys.

I bet Apple sells a massive ton of "basic" iPhones because there is a 16g version.

Research firms are more informed than you are.

https://gigaom.com/2015/01/23/personal-photos-videos-user-generated-content-statistics/

The average iOS user takes over 2000 photos a year. Thats more than the 16 GB 6S can hold in Live photos. Research firms are quite educated in gleaning the most accurate data they can.

So Apple would sell less 32 GB iPhones (priced the same as the current 16GB model). Thats literally the craziest thing I've heard in a while.

Let me remind you that an extra 16GB of storage doesn't suddenly make basic users go buy another phone brand.

 

[H2SO4]

Yep lets all go on like happy little sheep and pretend its fine.

I don’t think that’s what the attitude is. What is being said is that the compromise between what the consumer wants and how to maximise profit is working very well for Apple so they are never goign to change until it does.

 

[HenryDJP]

Apple, have it turned OFF by default please. There's millions of ordinary non-tech-nerds who will be confused as to why they are suddenly losing iPhone space so quickly.

This post is very condescending. You're suggesting that unless someone is a tech nerd they don't have the intelligence enough to figure out how to use their own product or even check out the features or ask questions before they buy.
Newsflash, some of the so-called "techies" on this very board don't have a clue what they are talking about. Like when someone here last week challenged me saying the iPhone 6/6 Plus recorded in 4K. Yeah.....

 

[nia820]

That's a bit uncalled for don't you think? While I have no interest in 16GB either I don't see it necessary to call my fellow forum members dumb for their opinion. Some people here are looking at it purely from a business standpoint, while the rest of this forum only looks at it from a personal standpoint.

Be real about it, if you ran a big company like Apple and you know your customers will buy regardless you will do as best you can to save money for the company by offering as little as necessary on your entry level. Because at the end of the day the name of the game is "Up-sell the Customer".

With 12mp, 4k video and live photos storage is going to fill up fast. You only really get about 11gb of storage. I'm sticking to what I said. Apple continues to offer 16gb as base people keep enabling it by buying it. If people would actually stand up and stop buying the 16gb model they would get rid of it.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

Research firms are more informed than you are.

https://gigaom.com/2015/01/23/pers

Research firms are more informed than you are.

[URL]https://gigaom.com/2015/01/23/personal-photos-videos-user-generated-content-statistics/

The average iOS user takes over 2000 photos a year. Thats more than the 16 GB 6S can hold in Live photos. Research firms are quite educated in gleaning the most accurate data they can.

So Apple would sell less 32 GB iPhones (priced the same as the current 16GB model). Thats literally the craziest thing I've heard in a while.

Let me remind you that an extra 16GB of storage doesn't suddenly make basic users go buy another phone brand.

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The average iOS user takes over 2000 photos a year. Thats more than the 16 GB 6S can hold in Live photos. Research firms are quite educated in gleaning the most accurate data they can.

So Apple would sell less 32 GB iPhones (priced the same as the current 16GB model). Thats literally the craziest thing I've heard in a while.

Let me remind you that an extra 16GB of storage doesn't suddenly make basic users go buy another phone brand.

Worst source ever! (Which I warned you about).

Here is quote right from the source.

Now, it’s worth noting that Magisto’s data is somewhat self-selective. The company makes an app that helps you to turn your everyday snapshots and video clips into short, shareable videos, complete with soundtracks and visual effects. It’s safe to assume that people who don’t take any photos at all wouldn’t download Magisto to begin with

So right there is clearly does NOT represent the "average" 16gb phone buyer. Fail.