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Not even offering a 4K screen in a laptop in 2018 is what gets you bad sales. So does dim displays.
Not putting a heatpipe on an overheating CPU but a fan in the case gets you bad sales.
Not supporting Displayport MST in 2018 on intel GPUs gets you bad sales.
Re-Inventing the keyboard so that most of your customers don't have a positive opinion about it... doesn't help with sales either.
Offering things like the Touchbar as an OPTION would make sense as well. Not everyone likes it (obviously). And since they don't put it in every device it won't become relevant any time soon...

Apple should take a look at the XPS. Dell did it right. The Macbooks are no longer the reference.
 
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Anyone using both windows and macos will attest the os's are profoundly similar

How so?

Our University runs Windows machines in the computer labs. I always hate to get near these machines.
Have you ever tried to do serious networking on Windows? It also does not help that Microsoft has patched on the third iteration of configuration dialogs, while still keeping the old ones around. It is a mess!

Don't get me started on such simple things as running a Python program...
 
It’s no surprise that less folks are buying computers when we are in the age of tablets and smartphones being just as, if not more powerful.

Correct, people see as declining PC market. Its not. Market is adjusting to new devices. At one point if you want to do anything digital you needed a computer. Then came pdas to take some (very little but still some) load off of PC, then xbox, PS to take off some more load from computer. Now phones and tablet. So PC/Mac is not declining they adjusting to their neighbors (phone, tablets, speakers, TVs, watches, and soon some VR headset....)
 
I have a 2014 macbook air i7 and had NO issues what so ever ... this is best apple laptop i have ever had.

My friends with latest macs are having issues with keyboards, etc ...

I think apples quality has took a huge hit last years while price has gone up... = huge disaster to come.

We do miss steve jobs!
 
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That trend is so obvious. It will start to decline in the coming years.​
 
Apple had -3.8% growth. The PC industry average was -4.3%. That puts Apple better than average (i.e., their slowing in sales was less than the average other computer manufacturer). Whether or not you want to interpret that as good or bad is opinion but Apple had less slowing than the average manufacturer (including companies that primarily make budget machines).

I'm not just being an Apple fanboy. I just bought a Dell XPS 15 rather than a MacBook Pro in part because of the price (I bought it so I could teach a university course; my department doesn't have money for purchases like this so to save about $800, I bought a Dell rather than a Mac). Let's just say that while it's a solid computer, its keyboard is vastly inferior to that on new MacBook Pros, its screen is good but not as good as Apple's. There are a number of other build quality issues that show why its priced lower (on sale) than MacBook Pros.

It runs well - mostly - especially now that I'm running Ubuntu on it.
 
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What would you expect? Being inside apples
Apple's walled garden and finding that new, shiny slightly faster computer is so very, very expensive would give most anyone pause.
 
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With outdated specs and higher prices can’t blame people.
Does that argument work for Acer, Asus, HP, and others who all had greater declines in sales growth than Apple? They all are overpriced and with outdated specs?

My point is you can't boil declines in growth down to "outdated specs and higher prices".
 
How so?

Our University runs Windows machines in the computer labs. I always hate to get near these machines.
Have you ever tried to do serious networking on Windows? It also does not help that Microsoft has patched on the third iteration of configuration dialogs, while still keeping the old ones around. It is a mess!

Don't get me started on such simple things as running a Python program...

You can run Unix subsystems on Windows. Easy. Granted I prefer coding in Mac because that’s what I’ve been coding in the last few years due to Unix, Windows has bridged the gap immensely.
 
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Anyone using both windows and macos will attest the os's are profoundly similar

rowspaxe - you are attributing the quote in your post to me. But I did not write that. Would you please go back and correct your post so that it is attributed to the appropriate forum member? Thank you.
 
Here's what I'd like to see (I might be in a minority here): merge the MacBook & MacBook Air lines. Make it the super thin laptop of the line. Keep the MacBook Pro, maybe make it a little thicker in order to get in better graphics and appropriate cooling. Maybe a better battery.

Mac mini get discrete (I'd be okay with non-replaceable) graphics. Redesigned iMac, remove Fusion drive option and go NVMe SSD drive only. I'd really like something like the Microsoft Surface studio with a moveable touchscreen. Better discrete graphics and cooling. Have a truly modular Mac Pro, with support for upgradeable CPU, RAM, drives, & multiple GPUs cable of SLI/Crossfire mode.

All computers can upgrade RAM & drives.
 
The iMac didn't get a 2018 update, the Mac Pro is going to be updated this year (Apple confirmed themselves), the new Macbook Air and Macbook Pro's weren't going to carry that. Had Apple updated the iMac and introduced the new Mac Pro then i think it would of been a different story. Fingers crossed for an updated iMac this year
The iPad is already slipping to a 1.5 year refresh cycle. I won't be surprised if the Macs go longer, say 2-3 years, in between updates.
 
Who would of thought raising prices of Macs would lead to a higher volume
That's the seventh post in a row moaning how bad Apple is doing - when the reality is that computer sales have generally dropped, and Apple's sales dropped less than others', so their market share has been growing, which means that Apple computers have actually become more popular.

Anyone with theories why sales for everyone else dropped?
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This is pure speculation on my part. But I can't help but wonder if Apple might just spin off the Mac division of the company into a separate business. Laptops and desktops have become passé now that the smartphone and to a lesser extent the tablet have become the new "personal computer".
It's not passé. Computer and laptops are a multi-billion dollar business. And a highly profitable business for Apple. What exactly would Apple achieve in your opinion by splitting off the business?

Especially since operating system development goes hand in hand between four product lines (macOS, iOS, watchOS and tvOS). Separating that out would be a massive cost increase.
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Mac mini get discrete (I'd be okay with non-replaceable) graphics. Redesigned iMac, remove Fusion drive option and go NVMe SSD drive only.
See, that's why Apple shouldn't listen to people like you. A 3TB Fusion drive is _affordable_ compared to an SSD drive. I've got tons of stuff that is stored, and access speed is not relevant. Fusion drive or even an external drive connected through USB 2 is plenty fast to handle terabyte after terabyte of music, videos or audiobooks. For very little money.
 
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I really think that the Mac is going to end up like the Apple II, Sculley said the Apple II was very important to Apple and shortly after that Apple killed it. With the iPad Pro gaining USC-C support, it’s only a major iOS update away from potentially killing the Mac. At least the Mac that we know today anyway.
 
It's pretty sad that Apple's Mac sales more closely follow the little guys Acer and Asus instead of the big boys Lenovo and Dell. Wasn't Apple the richest company a few months ago, but they sell units equal to Acer and Asus?

I think it's more about total sales, not about % changes. If Apple actually had product people wanted, their sales numbers could easily be up there with the big boys (and cutting into PC sales simultaneously).
 
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Apple had -3.8% growth. The PC industry average was -4.3%. That puts Apple better than average (i.e., their slowing in sales was less than the average other computer manufacturer). Whether or not you want to interpret that as good or bad is opinion but Apple had less slowing than the average manufacturer (including companies that primarily make budget machines).

I'm not just being an Apple fanboy. I just bought a Dell XPS 15 rather than a MacBook Pro in part because of the price (I bought it so I could teach a university course; my department doesn't have money for purchases like this so to save about $800, I bought a Dell rather than a Mac). Let's just say that while it's a solid computer, its keyboard is vastly inferior to that on new MacBook Pros, its screen is good but not as good as Apple's. There are a number of other build quality issues that show why its priced lower (on sale) than MacBook Pros.

It runs well - mostly - especially now that I'm running Ubuntu on it.

There is no such thing as an average computer manufacturer. There are computer manufacturers doing better than Apple and there are some that do worse.

Trying to find confidence in the fact that there are some that do worse is not really a sign of excellence. It is like being the average guy in school. You are probably not going to be invited to all the cool parties in town...
 
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