Apple's New iPhone XR Has Been the Most Popular and Best Selling iPhone Since October Launch

[ryanwarsaw]

The satisfaction of iPhone XR is really impressive. People would worry about the lower PPI comparing to XS and XS Max, and the quality of pictures because of having only one rear camera; however, they are quite good in fact.

Took last Saturday.

The picture is okay but I didn't remember the 101 building being so ugly.Time hasn't been kind to her.

 

[shiseiryu1]

Those statements make no sense! How can a phone which did not meet expectations and got production orders slowed down all of a sudden become the best selling iPhone?

What does make sense if you say "best selling iPhone since october launch" because there was nothing new in November. The XS Max is such a great phone (I own one) but they could have sold more if they weren't so greedy to hit that 1 Billion dollar company value. I'm so glad to see Apple failing profits wise and in reputation. They really need to go back to making products for the end users and not stock holders.

Wish they also just take a 5S and paint it space grey and call it the SE2 so all these annoying SE people and their demand for a small budget phone would just shut up.

I don’t care about the price. I want an SE2 because of the form factor. I want something light and thin. The XR is the thickest and heaviest iPhone....no thanks.

 

[usarioclave]

It's straight up economics: things that cost less sell more. The real question is "how many units are being sold?"

 

[jtm77]

I have an X R. I’ve had iPhones since the 3g and Macs before then. I’ve been very satisfied with it. Particularly the battery life.

 

[Glockworkorange]

There is nothing to indicate any production cuts that may have happened weren't already planned by Apple.

This is true. But if this statement was to quell the rumors of the production slow down, it doesn’t inspire much confidence because it’s an empty statement when put into context.

 

[Icaras]

Just simply the best of the bunch. Does not mean the bunch are any good...

This is true...

 

[ckhris1613]

Where is your evidence for this comment?

Ur the only one crying about it

 

[benlukes]

But this doesn't fit with "it's the worst iPhone ever' rabble I have been hearing.

Note that the the story doesn’t say that this is the best selling iPhone ever, all it says is that it is the best selling iPhone since late October, which means it is outselling the XS, XS Max, the iPhone 8 (only since last October, when the phone was over a year old), and the iPhone 7 (over 2 years old).

This is an incredibly important distinction. It does not mean the XR is outselling the 7 or 8 when they were new, or any other model, for that matter (other than the XS and Max).
[doublepost=1543463311][/doublepost]Add a headphone jack and make it a bit smaller and I would buy one immediately.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

This is true. But if this statement was to quell the rumors of the production slow down, it doesn’t inspire much confidence because it’s an empty statement when put into context.

Apple doesn't get stuck like NVDA with warehouses of Bitcoin mining chips. So I don't think the fact they (if that is the reality) cut some production is a bad sign. It is actually good they won't have a surplus of whatever phone if it didn't sell as well as they thought.

Everything is controlled.

 

[dotnet]

Laughing at all the folks who believed the XR production cut rumors.

But, but, haven't you heard of dustgate? Apple is still doomed!

 

[ryanwarsaw]

But, but, haven't you heard of dustgate? Apple is still doomed!

Yes, why yes I have. That's why I am hedging my holdings and am the lead plaintiff. You just never know.

 

[ksec]

Wow. Sales for the XS and XS Max must be REALLY bad.

I’ve been an iPhone guy since the beginning. I’ve owned nearly every iteration.

I didn’t upgrade to the X last year and this year I went a little crazy and ordered a Pixel 3 XL.

Kind of expected. The iPhone X sold better than expected last year. Those owners are highly unlikely to be upgrading to Xs or Max, this leaves those who were waiting for a bigger Xs to get the Max this year. While Max has been doing well in China, it doesn't seems to be that popular in US, EU and Japan. Where many thought the 5.8" size were enough.

So Xr is selling good, Whether it lives up to Apple's internal expectation is a different matter though.

 

[falainber]

Laughing at all the folks who believed the XR production cut rumors.

You are talking as if Apple said they didn't cut the production. You have very wild imagination.

 

[ksec]

I'd pay $1000 for iPhone XS if it didn't use PWM technology to control backlighting.

Is that even possible though on AMOLED?

 

[BuddyTronic]

I saw this posted on another rumours site - all the garbage information about Apple iPhone numbers. Is it any wonder that Apple won't be reporting iPhone numbers anymore?

Quoted from Yahoo:

From June 2018:
Apple and suppliers’ shares drop after report of cut in iPhone orders
Bloomberg Friday, June 8, 2018

Apple Inc. shares and suppliers declined after a Japanese newspaper report that the technology giant has warned suppliers of a drop of around 20 percent in new iPhone component orders.

From March 2018:
Korea Herald March 2, 2018

Local smartphone component suppliers for Apple will likely face much headwinds in the first half this year due largely to reduced iPhone X production, according to industry sources on March. 2. The US tech giant recently decided to halve the production of its tenth-generation iPhone amid disappointing sales.

From January 2018:
Apple stock drops after report of iPhone X production cut
Marketwatch Jan 29, 2018 7:13 a.m. ET

Apple Inc. AAPL, +3.25% shares are down 0.5% in premarket trading Monday after a report in the Nikkei Asia Review said that the company planned to trim its iPhone X production target to 20 million for the March quarter, half of what it expected a few months ago.

Apple is reportedly slashing iPhone X orders because it isn't selling well
Business Insider Jan. 30, 2018

Multiple reports suggest Apple has slashed some component orders for the iPhone X. On Monday, Nikkei reported that Apple told suppliers it was cutting its first-quarter production target for the iPhone X in half to about 20 million units. The Wall Street Journal followed that up Tuesday, also reporting that Apple was planning to make only 20 million iPhone X phones in the first quarter.

From October 2017:
Apple Reportedly Cutting iPhone 8 Orders
U.S. News & World Report Oct. 19, 2017

APPLE INC. (NASDAQ: AAPL) stock traded lower on Thursday after reports out of Taiwan claim the company has reduced its November and December iPhone 8 orders from suppliers by roughly 50 percent. A report in Taiwan's Economic Times newspaper cites an unnamed supplier source claiming that Apple has cut its iPhone 8 demand in half.

And for nostalgia’s sake, here is one from 2013:
Report: Apple Cuts iPhone 5 Orders in Half Due to Weak Demand
Mac Observer Jan 14th, 2013

Apple has cut orders for iPhone 5 components in half, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal Sunday. The move, an indication of weaker-than-expected demand for Apple’s flagship product, was communicated to suppliers in late December and covers orders for the January through March quarter.

Citing sources familiar with Apple’s supply chain, The Wall Street Journal notes that the company’s orders for displays and other components exclusive to the iPhone 5 have “dropped to roughly half of what the company had previously planned to order” and that this indicates that “sales of the new iPhone haven’t been as strong as previously anticipated and that demand may be waning.”

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Kind of expected. The iPhone X sold better than expected last year. Those owners are highly unlikely to be upgrading to Xs or Max, this leaves those who were waiting for a bigger Xs to get the Max this year. While Max has been doing well in China, it doesn't seems to be that popular in US, EU and Japan. Where many thought the 5.8" size were enough.

So Xr is selling good, Whether it lives up to Apple's internal expectation is a different matter though.

Apple's internal expectations don't matter. Will it meet their guidance is the issue. They are "rumored" to be tooling up the X lines for the Japanese market again. I lived in Japan and they are picky about aesthetics. Hopefully if that's the case Apple can accommodate them.

Again it would be part of the supply chain expertise that Apple has the tools and LED panels to do that and shouldn't be hard.
[doublepost=1543466957][/doublepost]

I saw this posted on another rumours site - all the garbage information about Apple iPhone numbers. Is it any wonder that Apple won't be reporting iPhone numbers anymore?

Quoted from Yahoo:

From June 2018:
Apple and suppliers’ shares drop after report of cut in iPhone orders
Bloomberg Friday, June 8, 2018

Apple Inc. shares and suppliers declined after a Japanese newspaper report that the technology giant has warned suppliers of a drop of around 20 percent in new iPhone component orders.

From March 2018:
Korea Herald March 2, 2018

Local smartphone component suppliers for Apple will likely face much headwinds in the first half this year due largely to reduced iPhone X production, according to industry sources on March. 2. The US tech giant recently decided to halve the production of its tenth-generation iPhone amid disappointing sales.

From January 2018:
Apple stock drops after report of iPhone X production cut
Marketwatch Jan 29, 2018 7:13 a.m. ET

Apple Inc. AAPL, +3.25% shares are down 0.5% in premarket trading Monday after a report in the Nikkei Asia Review said that the company planned to trim its iPhone X production target to 20 million for the March quarter, half of what it expected a few months ago.

Apple is reportedly slashing iPhone X orders because it isn't selling well
Business Insider Jan. 30, 2018

Multiple reports suggest Apple has slashed some component orders for the iPhone X. On Monday, Nikkei reported that Apple told suppliers it was cutting its first-quarter production target for the iPhone X in half to about 20 million units. The Wall Street Journal followed that up Tuesday, also reporting that Apple was planning to make only 20 million iPhone X phones in the first quarter.

From October 2017:
Apple Reportedly Cutting iPhone 8 Orders
U.S. News & World Report Oct. 19, 2017

APPLE INC. (NASDAQ: AAPL) stock traded lower on Thursday after reports out of Taiwan claim the company has reduced its November and December iPhone 8 orders from suppliers by roughly 50 percent. A report in Taiwan's Economic Times newspaper cites an unnamed supplier source claiming that Apple has cut its iPhone 8 demand in half.

And for nostalgia’s sake, here is one from 2013:
Report: Apple Cuts iPhone 5 Orders in Half Due to Weak Demand
Mac Observer Jan 14th, 2013

Apple has cut orders for iPhone 5 components in half, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal Sunday. The move, an indication of weaker-than-expected demand for Apple’s flagship product, was communicated to suppliers in late December and covers orders for the January through March quarter.

Citing sources familiar with Apple’s supply chain, The Wall Street Journal notes that the company’s orders for displays and other components exclusive to the iPhone 5 have “dropped to roughly half of what the company had previously planned to order” and that this indicates that “sales of the new iPhone haven’t been as strong as previously anticipated and that demand may be waning.”

Meanwhile other rumors claim they are tooling up X production because the XR didn't sell LOL What a bunch of hogwash.

 

[Baymowe335]

I saw this posted on another rumours site - all the garbage information about Apple iPhone numbers. Is it any wonder that Apple won't be reporting iPhone numbers anymore?

Quoted from Yahoo:

From June 2018:
Apple and suppliers’ shares drop after report of cut in iPhone orders
Bloomberg Friday, June 8, 2018

Apple Inc. shares and suppliers declined after a Japanese newspaper report that the technology giant has warned suppliers of a drop of around 20 percent in new iPhone component orders.

From March 2018:
Korea Herald March 2, 2018

Local smartphone component suppliers for Apple will likely face much headwinds in the first half this year due largely to reduced iPhone X production, according to industry sources on March. 2. The US tech giant recently decided to halve the production of its tenth-generation iPhone amid disappointing sales.

From January 2018:
Apple stock drops after report of iPhone X production cut
Marketwatch Jan 29, 2018 7:13 a.m. ET

Apple Inc. AAPL, +3.25% shares are down 0.5% in premarket trading Monday after a report in the Nikkei Asia Review said that the company planned to trim its iPhone X production target to 20 million for the March quarter, half of what it expected a few months ago.

Apple is reportedly slashing iPhone X orders because it isn't selling well
Business Insider Jan. 30, 2018

Multiple reports suggest Apple has slashed some component orders for the iPhone X. On Monday, Nikkei reported that Apple told suppliers it was cutting its first-quarter production target for the iPhone X in half to about 20 million units. The Wall Street Journal followed that up Tuesday, also reporting that Apple was planning to make only 20 million iPhone X phones in the first quarter.

From October 2017:
Apple Reportedly Cutting iPhone 8 Orders
U.S. News & World Report Oct. 19, 2017

APPLE INC. (NASDAQ: AAPL) stock traded lower on Thursday after reports out of Taiwan claim the company has reduced its November and December iPhone 8 orders from suppliers by roughly 50 percent. A report in Taiwan's Economic Times newspaper cites an unnamed supplier source claiming that Apple has cut its iPhone 8 demand in half.

And for nostalgia’s sake, here is one from 2013:
Report: Apple Cuts iPhone 5 Orders in Half Due to Weak Demand
Mac Observer Jan 14th, 2013

Apple has cut orders for iPhone 5 components in half, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal Sunday. The move, an indication of weaker-than-expected demand for Apple’s flagship product, was communicated to suppliers in late December and covers orders for the January through March quarter.

Citing sources familiar with Apple’s supply chain, The Wall Street Journal notes that the company’s orders for displays and other components exclusive to the iPhone 5 have “dropped to roughly half of what the company had previously planned to order” and that this indicates that “sales of the new iPhone haven’t been as strong as previously anticipated and that demand may be waning.”

So, so great that you posted this.

Since it’s more than 20 words and not a dig at Apple or rampant speculation, no one else will read it. But I did.

Every single year, it’s the same reports about “slashing” orders and then they sell their usually 220M units per year.

 

[Emtbill]

you gonna downgrade from OLED to LCD?

For me, after seeing how good the LCD is, don't care OLED.

 

[dotnet]

Why is this even a headline?

Because we were told just a week ago (on this very site and in these forums) that the XR was a flop, Apple cut supplier orders that made supply chain companies fear for their livelihoods, and that XR prices in Japan were tumbling.

That was all nonsense of course, but it was eagerly lapped up by the perennial Apple haters. Hence, it was nonsense worth debunking with a follow-up story.

 

[aevan]

Apple did not say that they sold tons of XRs. Pay attention to words. They said that XR on its first month sells better than XS (without XS+) on its second month. Then of course one would expect that the second month of XS is much worse than its first one (peak demand). So, this statement clarifies nothing but by being so intentionally coy it actually makes me think that the sales are not very good. It may also mean that XS sales totally fell through the floor but i would not go that far.

I understand it could be interpreted as something other than success, but the fact that Apple always sells a ton of iPhones, and the fact that XR is selling the best among these iPhones tells that it’s not even remotely a failure some people presented (hoped?) it to be. For example, there were a lot of videos online with the conclusion: hey Apple, when will you realize people don’t buy “cheap” iPhones?

One has to try really hard to present this as bad news for Apple, and yet - like with everything Apple on this forum - here we are. I don’t even care if it’s successful or not, but every year some people want to “prove” Apple is going downhill. And, every year, when whatever people were claiming turns out to be not true (in fact, often quite the opposite) people find ways to spin it into something else.

Look, it’s possible that this is just some creative marketing, sure. But it seems unlikely. Are you open to the possibility that XR is, simply, doing really well?
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Offered to upgrade my daughters 7+ to an XR and she said no.... the single lens camera makes it look too much like an older phone she said.... and yes, looks are important to a 13 yo teen.

Seems like #didnothappen to me, but ok. No way 7+ looks more modern than the XR, especially to the younger, bezel-hating generations.

And I like the 6, 6S, 7, 8, don’t get me wrong.

 

[run1976]

It doesn't mean Apple didn't make a big mistake. It does mean the iPhone 8 isn't outselling it.

It still could mean the older phones combined sell more than the Xr.

 

[jon3543]

Much more likely that the analysts are all wrong, as usual, and sales of all models is great.

Not when Apple has suddenly decided not to provide numbers anymore, and Tim Cook is making stupid grocery cart analogies to try and gloss over the new opacity they're introducing into their business.

 

[ValO]

Not expecting $200 iPhones but $1300 is excessive. I used to pay $650-850 for iPhones unlocked and new.

For 749 you can get an XR now, new and unlocked.
[doublepost=1543476486][/doublepost]

Its selling more than the more expensive models, yes which is expected. But does it matter if none of the models are selling well to begin with? Thats the main issue.

But there is no proof of an issue, just rumors.
Like last year with the x, and that proved to be wrong.

 

[Chloros]

At this point Apple can tell you anything they want since revenue from the app store will increase. They will hide bad sales of the Xr under that rug.

 

[ValO]

Apple made a deliberate decision to put a 6.1" display in the XR. Apple could have put a 5.8" or 5.5" display in the XR. In that scenario, Apple's lineup would be much less awkward. But Apple chose to put 6.1" because it's what most consumers want.

If you look at global sales of the Galaxy S9 vs. S9+, the 6.2" model outsells the 5.8".

In 2018, almost everybody wants a phablet.

And because apple wanted to offer an alternative to the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus for the cheaper price.