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Apple's October 19th Media Event
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Renegate said:
That might fit with my earlier comment about the discounted iBooks on sale through Apple's UK refurb store
That could seriously suck!
Adding to what the guy before me just said, I too am planning on purchasing a new G5 Dual-Core system. I know as soon as you buy anything computer related, the newspapers are rolling out ads with newer, faster, sexier computers in them!
But, here's my present delima (probably misspelled that word lol), I just read an article stating "Macs with Intel chips are scheduled in April 2006." The MacTel systems will of course be faster, but my question is, "HOW MUCH FASTER WILL THE MACTELS BE THAN THE DUAL-CORE SYSTEMS?"
I don't want to go threw buying the dual-core, which is slated to give a performance increase of at least 50%, then find out the MacTels are way faster than even the Dual-Cores, then i'd have to sell my Dual-Core.
Are there any idications of what performance goals Apple has set for MacTel systems? If so, how much faster, efficient, or whatever else are they projected to be over the Dual-Core Macs?
Thanks all. ~Sai
Adding to what the guy before me just said, I too am planning on purchasing a new G5 Dual-Core system. I know as soon as you buy anything computer related, the newspapers are rolling out ads with newer, faster, sexier computers in them!
But, here's my present delima (probably misspelled that word lol), I just read an article stating "Macs with Intel chips are scheduled in April 2006." The MacTel systems will of course be faster, but my question is, "HOW MUCH FASTER WILL THE MACTELS BE THAN THE DUAL-CORE SYSTEMS?"
I don't want to go threw buying the dual-core, which is slated to give a performance increase of at least 50%, then find out the MacTels are way faster than even the Dual-Cores, then i'd have to sell my Dual-Core.
Are there any idications of what performance goals Apple has set for MacTel systems? If so, how much faster, efficient, or whatever else are they projected to be over the Dual-Core Macs?
Thanks all. ~Sai
Don't worry.New models might have some initial flaws so you really can be happy to have an older but flawless piece of hardware. I bought my Powermac a month ago while rumors were already flying.Jacobhase said:I got a Powerbook 12" the 2. of september. and if they are lauching a new powerbook, I'm going to be veeeerrrrryyyy mmmaaaaddd...
That really depends on what you install on either of them and what hardware and drivers you are trying to run on. Also, the NT kernel (which XP is based on) has inherent security and stability issues that can be exploited/broken much more easily than Mach BSD.emotion said:
Usually, Windows 2000 or XP blue screens usually are related to a driver bug or conflict; and to be honest, a poorly written driver can bring any OS to it's knees, but it seems to be a bigger problem on the NT kernel than on most Unix ones. That said, I believe the driver problem is not something Microsoft really can fix as it is probably mainly due to the fact that there is so much more hardware out there that XP has to handle than OS X. If you're a PC user, think about how often firmware and driver updates come out for Intel/AMD motherboards, video cards, sound cards, etc... (especially if you are a gamer/power user with a high end video card) All it takes is for an a fly-by-night vendor's implementation of a Radeon or nVidia card driver to not be tested with some other driver that just happens to have a conflict and "boom".
OS X is in a nice position in that there are relatively few hardware upgrades for PowerMacs, and those upgrades can be tested against the very few possible configurations of PowerMacs. (I my experience, USB/Firewire upgrades don't usually need low-level drivers so if they mess up, then the app/driver crashes)
Remember, there's a reason Microsoft scrapped a lot of the Longhorn work and "went back to the drawing board" for Vista. (Google cached story)
The other reason is the Windows "DLL Hell" that seems to require a PHD in Windows installation to clean up. XP may be better than Win2K here (I'm still on Win2K but have many friends and co-workers on XP), but it seems that every application you install has to throw a ton of DLL's and other crap into the common, Windows system directories. All it takes it one app's DLL overwriting another with an incompatible API and weird stuff can start happening. (this also happens when uninstalling an app) OS X apps generally are pretty self contained - in fact many don't even have an installer.
Temujin said:
UK store has iBook 12" at 24hrs, 14" at 5 days.
PB 12" is 24hrs, 15"/17" are 2 days.
Irish store is the same.
Adobe, Macromedia and Apple
If the photo-related software announcement today is software, maybe we'll get a better clue whether Apple is going to go after Adobe-Macromedia square on or whether Apple is going to try and change the game.
When the Adobe/Macromedia closes this fall, the product line competition should look something like:
photo editing and prep: PhotoShop/PhotoShop Elements/Fireworks vs. iPhoto and ????
vector drawing: Illustrator/Freehand
print design: InDesign/PageMaker
web page design: GoLive/Dreamweaver
motion web design: Flash
video editing: Premiere/Premiere Elements vs. Final Cut Pro/iMovie
video effects: After Effects vs. Motion
audio production: Audition vs. Logic/Soundtrack Pro
DVD production: Encore/Director vs. iDVD/DVD Studio Pro
Among photo, print, web, video and audio, Apple only competes with Adobe/Macromedia in video and audio. Apple doesn't have a pro or consumer web-authoring tool (unless you count .Mac), doesn't ahve a motion web design tool, doesn't have a pro print design tool (though it has Document for consumer), and doesn't have a pro photo tool.
If you look at the iLife line of consumer tools, iPhoto is the only one that doesn't have a corresponding product in Apple's pro line.
I'm not a professional photographer, but I don't see how Apple could improve much on iPhoto as a management tool -- with the exception of allowing for multiple libraries so that the user could set up a different library for each client or account. What else does iPhoto need?
As a pro-sumer photo guy, I would love to see Apple take on Photoshop. I use iPhoto more and more to do minor edits on a photo like straightening, red eye correction, adjusting levels, etc. The only time I go into Photoshop is if I need to do a lot of color replacement and image correction, e.g., "Photoshopping" out a power line.
I would also love to see Apple develop a consumer/pro-sumer level web page design tool with a great library of highly customizable templates that take users most of the way to good design but still leave a lot of room for creativity and flexibility. iDVD is a great model for this.
If the photo-related software announcement today is software, maybe we'll get a better clue whether Apple is going to go after Adobe-Macromedia square on or whether Apple is going to try and change the game.
When the Adobe/Macromedia closes this fall, the product line competition should look something like:
photo editing and prep: PhotoShop/PhotoShop Elements/Fireworks vs. iPhoto and ????
vector drawing: Illustrator/Freehand
print design: InDesign/PageMaker
web page design: GoLive/Dreamweaver
motion web design: Flash
video editing: Premiere/Premiere Elements vs. Final Cut Pro/iMovie
video effects: After Effects vs. Motion
audio production: Audition vs. Logic/Soundtrack Pro
DVD production: Encore/Director vs. iDVD/DVD Studio Pro
Among photo, print, web, video and audio, Apple only competes with Adobe/Macromedia in video and audio. Apple doesn't have a pro or consumer web-authoring tool (unless you count .Mac), doesn't ahve a motion web design tool, doesn't have a pro print design tool (though it has Document for consumer), and doesn't have a pro photo tool.
If you look at the iLife line of consumer tools, iPhoto is the only one that doesn't have a corresponding product in Apple's pro line.
I'm not a professional photographer, but I don't see how Apple could improve much on iPhoto as a management tool -- with the exception of allowing for multiple libraries so that the user could set up a different library for each client or account. What else does iPhoto need?
As a pro-sumer photo guy, I would love to see Apple take on Photoshop. I use iPhoto more and more to do minor edits on a photo like straightening, red eye correction, adjusting levels, etc. The only time I go into Photoshop is if I need to do a lot of color replacement and image correction, e.g., "Photoshopping" out a power line.
I would also love to see Apple develop a consumer/pro-sumer level web page design tool with a great library of highly customizable templates that take users most of the way to good design but still leave a lot of room for creativity and flexibility. iDVD is a great model for this.
sai_digitalle said:
When you ask a Rolls Royce representative how much horse power the car has the answer is always "adequate". Mactels are far away - if you use the system for productivity you probably don't want to one of the beta-testers so count at least two years from now , so get in and buy whatever comes out today
Is someone going to start a AOL/ichat chatroom again, so we can talk about it live as its happening?
Extensis Portfolio can do this very well. While it might be a good feature to add to a Pro photo app, I would hope that Apple focus on CoreImage filters and image manipulation more than cataloging.physics_gopher said:
Would you really want to go with the very first of a new kind of computer? I think what I've always heard is rev 2 of model 2. To avoid problems. And remember it will be all new operating system too, despite it being in development this whole time. I'm soooo happy with my dual 2ghz g5. Someday, let's say in 3 years, I will buy a mactel, but for now this is quite good!sai_digitalle said:
Porchland said:
I agree, they must do a Pro Photo version like they did with all the othe r applications; they seem to be on track to have a complete line of software all over the board. This will allow them to be more independent of software developpers at least for the core applications.
eric_n_dfw said:
Eric please don't misunderstand me, I wouldn't touch an XP machine with a barge pole but they are not as unstable these days as some mac-zealots would lead people to believe.
However, MacOSX is a much nicer OS on many many levels (as you rightly point out).
Fredo Viola said:
All the Macs released next year will be running Tiger. 10.5 isn't due until the end of 2006 to early 2007 which probably means March or April 2007. I reckon the Mactels will be pretty good right off the bat but yeah, I'd rather wait it out.
I figure on buying my next Mac in about three or four years (late 2007 through 2008) I figure pretty much everything will be into it's second rev by then.
Fredo Viola said:
Thanks for the advice, FRED & RENEGATE. I'll take it and run with it. When (or if) Apple announces the new Dual-Core line today, how long before we can buy it?
Also, I've noticed plenty of people in these forums announcinc AIM or AOL chat rooms to discuss these topics, but how would i access those rooms? I only have AIM and I'm not an AO-HELL memeber.
Thanks guys (and gals if any). ~Sai
emotion said:
True. I have a P4 running XP SP2. It's a purely Bittorrent download / media center PC. It runs non stop 24/7. Has done so for several months. Not one crap up yet.
So lets put this rumor to death once and for all. XP is stable, ugly and booooring.
Is anyone else getting the message: "Apple's Online and phone Order Status services are temporarily unavailable due to a scheduled upgrade to our systems.
We apologize for any inconvenience"
I get it when i check my order status.
We apologize for any inconvenience"
I get it when i check my order status.
sai_digitalle said:
You won't have a problem, Sai. Let's boil this down to processor speed only-- disregarding form factor, features, OS, etc. The truth of the matter is that Steve Jobs said that PowerMacs will be the last computers to receive the Intel chips, and this could be as late as the end of 2007. This is because they are the least in need of Intel chips to perform at or above market standards. Where Apple is getting a whipping, if speaking strictly of processor performance, is in it's portable lines.
There's not a lot that Intel offers right now that will beat out a dual core G5. And if they have it, it's sitting in a server. AMD might arguably have it, but that's not on the table of discussion since Apple is only going with Intel. So go buy your PPC Dual Processor(Core?) Power Mac without hesitation. You won't be trumped on speed any time soon.
There are also other factors to consider. Intel cross-compiled apps may not be out in mass for a while, so Intel solutions will have to be roughly 25% faster than a PPC solution on PPC only apps to *match* the speed. This actually plays into favor of buying a PPC Mac now and upgrading to the Intel versions in a couple years (Rev. B or C.) anyway.
The last factor is the lifespan of your purchase. Don't worry about your PPC being obsolete before it's time! If your goal is to stay reasonably up to date with your main production system, then going PPC now won't effect the longevity of your purchase. Desktop macs are highly relevant for 2 to 3 years. Beyond that they are still usable but are no longer at the top of their game. This seems to be the historical trend. Most systems can stay viable and useful in high-stress pro applications for up to 4 or 5 years. Now consider the lifespan that is self-imposed by Apple on most hardware. It's about 3 to 4 years, if you want the latest OS, Pro Apps, and features. See how nicely the two match up?
So if you need a Mac now, buy it now. You're not going to be shooting yourself in the foot.
EricNau said:Congratulations! You sound like me when I got my iMac about 4 months ago. I waited until the update and then snatched one as soon as I could!
and me when we got the maxed out 15" PB in jan 04. ummed and ahed about an iBook, or PB, then ummed and ahed about the superdive or not. needless to say ended up spending far too much on the then really quite expensive 15" superdrive.
also needless to say is that there have been absolutely no regrets. even my wife loves it enough not to have given me too much grief for spending so much.
Iain
Dual-Core / Single 2.3 - $1999
Dual-Core / Single 2.5 - $2499
The $2999 price point will remain vacant until a faster Dual-Core chip is released 3-6 months down the line.
Pro version of iPhoto that utilizes CoreImage, but doesn't have near the number of features or power of Photoshop.
Some sort of tablet, or large iPod-like device that, among other things, has the ability to store and display pictures and transmit them wirelessly (or wired). This would be an ideal solution for photo storage and provide a better means of display than the 2inch LCD on cameras. It would be priced between a high end iPod and low-end iBook.
Just speculation here.
Less then 2 hours now...
Dual-Core / Single 2.5 - $2499
The $2999 price point will remain vacant until a faster Dual-Core chip is released 3-6 months down the line.
Pro version of iPhoto that utilizes CoreImage, but doesn't have near the number of features or power of Photoshop.
Some sort of tablet, or large iPod-like device that, among other things, has the ability to store and display pictures and transmit them wirelessly (or wired). This would be an ideal solution for photo storage and provide a better means of display than the 2inch LCD on cameras. It would be priced between a high end iPod and low-end iBook.
Just speculation here.
Less then 2 hours now...