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Apple's Phil Schiller Recommends Lightning Dock for Charging an iPhone 7 While Listening to Music

They should include the air pods for free if they are REALLY pushing to wireless !

vlad_djkax said:
Probably the "push for wireless use" will gain traction in the future, but as you and many others already said, there are people that need to use their headphones AND charge their iPhone at the same time at this very moment, be it for music, job, travel or whatever reasons. Hell, I do it time and again with my iPhone SE (and used to do with my 5S AND my 4) in my desk.

IMHO, Apple could just have included the AirPods in the iPhone 7 box.. But this would never be their traditional business way.

BTW, on the light side, I think we'll face a lot of 10 or more pages discussions from now on, for every new adapter released :D:p
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
A lot of pissed off people that don't even own the device ITT.

If you can't live without charging and using connected headphones at the same time, then don't buy it. Move on. Quit wasting your time crying about it.
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Right because users aren't allowed to complain about a feature that has been in iPhone since first generation. If people are silent then change won't happen.
 
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monokakata said:
I'm not buying one (have a 6 that's just fine for me), so I'm not personally impacted.

But what troubles me is that Apple might be moving towards "you can't do anything else while charging unless you buy another device or do it wirelessly" generally -- witness the Macbook.

I really do fear that we're going to see more and more of this concept which, obviously, depends on using wireless for a great many things. I suspect that before long, using wireless for everything isn't going to be an option -- it's going to be effectively required.
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Except we don't have to worry, as we'll all be dead by then, because our brains will be fried from all the extra microwave radiation...
 
The only time I really charge and listen is if I'm lying in bed. But occassionally I'll do that while at the airport or sitting in a restaurant near an outlet. I'd probably go with the just announced $40 belkin splitter accessory over the apple base station tho. More portable.
 
Nr123*123 said:
How is it irrelevant? Flagship phones now have quad HD displays.

As for the note 7 catching fire, Samsung were very quick to respond, unlike say Apple with bend gate, touch disease etc etc.

Removing the headphone jack is a money making ploy. To get any reasonable use out of the phone requires purchasing more docks and cables.
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And moving from horses to cars made Ford and other manufacturers money, but that's not why things change. Sometimes, or maybe it is all the time when you want to move forward, you have to give up something from the past. This weird issue people are having with the headphone jack reminds me of the outrage that Apple not offer a proper keyboard with the first iPhone. The hard keyboards worked fine for millions of people, so why change?

Yep, you're going to need to use a dongle if you want to keep using an old wired headset. Give it a few months and low and behold every headset manufacturer out there will start making new wireless and Lightning headsets that offer new things and better performance and people will buy them and the crazies complaining will mostly stop - that is until Apple ditches the Lightning jack and we'll be right back at this with the same complaints.
 
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I'm here for the wireless headphones and the lightening port headphones but that was a tone deaf response.
 
jmgregory1 said:
The question is, how many times do you actually need to charge your phone while listening to music? I'm not looking at the stats now, but isn't listening to music (if that's really all you're doing) on any iPhone offers by far the greatest amount of run time (when using the Music app)? Maybe if you're streaming music over wifi, or worse over 3G, 4G or LTE, you'll burn through some battery, but there are solutions to that - like not listening to music over a cellular connection (try downloading songs or playlists or both?).
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This is not the point. Consumers have lost an implicit feature of the product, which, as it turns out, many utilised.
To restore the missing feature people are required to spend more money for an half-baked solution as the dock is impractical and the Airpods are quite expensive and might not be as practical as simple wired headphones.

If Apple really wanted to remove an established and universal standard as the 3.5 jack they should have provided features that more than compensated such loss. I expect that this mistake will be corrected in the iPhone 7S in a way or another, as they usually do.
 
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pcmacgamer said:
Right because users aren't allowed to complain about a feature that has been in iPhone since first generation. If people are silent then change won't happen.
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People can moan all they want. The problem is they don't speak with their wallets. The iPhone 7 will sell in the many millions - confirmation to Apple that consumers are happy.
 
Why isn't Apple shipping iPhone WITH AirPods??? If the future is wireless, why include wired accessories???

iMac shipped with wireless mouse and keyboard as standard in 2009. If you wanted to go "old school" you then made your own wired mouse/keyboard purchase.

A wireless future is all talk and no action if Apple isn't including fully wireless products as standard with iPhone.
 
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pushingrobot said:
Well, suggesting people pay $50 to get back what they had before is pretty much asking for that.
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Well, technically, if they came to your house and plugged up the headphone jack that would be them taking away something that you had before. Not having something in a new product is not taking it away from you because you don't own the product yet. You can choose not to buy it.

It's funny because when I first started to read this article I was like, "Hmmm, looks like I'll pick up one of these docks since my current lightning dock doesn't have a headphone output." And then I remembered that I have never listened to music with headphones while my phone was in the charger. When I'm at work, I have a laptop sitting on my desk which plays music too!

Everyone complaining almost made me think I was missing something.

I think that if everyone who is so upset at Apple not having a way for them to charge their phones and listen to the headphones at the same time swapped 10 seconds of complaining about it to think through an alternative way to achieve the same result, most people will find a satisfactory solution.

Unfortunately, some people don't want to change and if they do something a certain way and a few others agree with them then they feel entitled to having things their way even if they are in the minority. It's part of today's mob culture fueled by social media. Small groups of people can create big waves. You can have 1,000,000 customers and if 500 of them don't like something about your product or service, they can flood social media with their complaints making it appear that they represent a much larger group than is actually the case.
 
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AppleBytes said:
Not the same situation.

In the current case, you have a product that is in no way obsolete (headphones and earphones) and superior to Apple's proprietary "solution" in most ways : sound quality, universality, price, repairability (a lot easier to fix a broken wire than a broken bluetooth transmitter or battery), usability (the battery time will get lower and lower until you're down to 2-3 hours of playtime per charge after a year or two) and longevity (once the battery life gets crappy enough, you'll have to pay apple $75 to replace the batteries or chuck 'em; meanwhile a good set of wired headphones might last 20-30 years).
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Actually you made a whole bunch of assumptions about a product you haven't even tried to know if sound quality is bad or that the price is too much. I bought a pair of $300 wireless headphones that sounded terrible and couldn't keep a blue tooth connection to save its life. Secondly, I've never had a good set of wired headphones that lasted or even might last 20-30 years. I'm doing pretty good if I can get them to last a couple of years without the wires breaking or becoming frayed or just stop working altogether like the bose wired headphones I used to own 3 years back.

I don't trust people who guess at stuff they haven't used for themselves. At least when I'm criticizing something I've had the benefit of actually using the product.
 
They could have included that stand for free. They can afford that and much much more. But what they are doing is called greed.
 
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jmgregory1 said:
And moving from horses to cars made Ford and other manufacturers money, but that's not why things change. Sometimes, or maybe it is all the time when you want to move forward, you have to give up something from the past. This weird issue people are having with the headphone jack reminds me of the outrage that Apple not offer a proper keyboard with the first iPhone. The hard keyboards worked fine for millions of people, so why change?

Yep, you're going to need to use a dongle if you want to keep using an old wired headset. Give it a few months and low and behold every headset manufacturer out there will start making new wireless and Lightning headsets that offer new things and better performance and people will buy them and the crazies complaining will mostly stop - that is until Apple ditches the Lightning jack and we'll be right back at this with the same complaints.
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Oh I don't doubt this for a second. The problem here is that for Apple this is purely driven by profit.
 
Umm no. That isn't the solution. This requires you to keep both lightening and 3.5mm jack on hand. You have to have your 3.5mm headphones on hand for when you are changing your phone. And the your lightening EarPods when it's off the charger.

Also if you don't already own a dock that's an additional $50+tax

Edit: just looked at my charging dock and realized there's a lightening port back there. I've had this thing for about 6 months and just realized that.
 
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smacrumon said:
This is NOT an elegant and simple solution.
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I beg to differ - although I wrapped mine with cherry wood, it looks, feels and works great. I don't use wired headphones so that part of the solution is a non-issue for me.
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I despise putting corded headphones in my ears at all. Frustrating to work with, hard to exercise with and near impossible to do things around the house on in the yard with yanking them out.

Made me buy some bluetooth earphones and I am glad I did.

Whine whine whine....ugh.

New sites only cover this and fester this story because it is clickbait.
 
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jmgregory1 said:
I beg to differ - although I wrapped mine with cherry wood, it looks, feels and works great. I don't use wired headphones so that part of the solution is a non-issue for me.
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The best part of that photo is the fact that the Macbook (pro?) is connected to Ethernet with ... yet another adapter replacing a useful port removed from Apple equipment.
 
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smacrumon said:
Why isn't Apple shipping iPhone WITH AirPods??? If the future is wireless, why include wired accessories???

iMac shipped with wireless mouse and keyboard as standard in 2009. If you wanted to go "old school" you then made your own wired mouse/keyboard purchase.

A wireless future is all talk and no action if Apple isn't including fully wireless products as standard with iPhone.
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Margins!!! You want to give Tim a heart attack?
 
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Lol I can almost see him sitting in his office listening to music with "Airpods".. Seriously doubt that.
 
Dydegu said:
Car use is the only valid argument with this whole mess. When I'm charging my phone, I'm either at work, or at home, both locations where I can either just use the speakers, use a bluetooth speaker, or use another device to listen to music (like my work computer). Luckily, I use Spotify (can't get iTunes on my work computers) so that's not a problem, personally.

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If you use the included apple headphones, you won't be able to plug them into your work computer without bringing along your dongle. Also, do your coworkers really like when you use the speakers or a bluetooth speaker? How about your family when you're watching youtube videos or listening to music while they're watching TV or reading?
 
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