Apple's Plans to Release 5G iPhone in 2020 Could Be Stymied by Intel Delays

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  1. BGPL macrumors regular

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    If you talk to someone in the cell business, they'll grip their hair and scream when you talk about phones and 5G. This new bandwidth was designed and allocated with the purpose of furnishing wireless hi-speed communications to businesses and homes.

    The millimeter wave bands will also require a significant increase not only in infrastructure bandwidth, but in cell density. Don't count on seeing much in the way of benefit on a phone for years.
     
  2. I7guy, Apr 3, 2019
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    Hard to tell how this will shake out. Until 5G really brings functionality not available on 4G (or reduced functionality) at an equivalent cost to 4G, it's more about proclaiming "your first", at least imo. Verizon is charging $10 more a month for 5G so at least with Verizon you are paying extra for it.

    But you never know if Qualcomm and Apple might shake hands and hug in the future and become frenemies.
     
  3. mnsportsgeek macrumors 68000

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    Nah I’m good.
     
  4. smorrissey macrumors 65816

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    So pretty much skip the 2019 iphone releases...(of course if you have money to spare just show them the money).
     
  5. Lone Deranger macrumors 68000

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    Thanks! ;)
     
  6. realtuner macrumors 65816

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    Qualcomm is also obligated to license their patents (since they’re part of an essential standard), so it’s irrelevant. Anyone who wants to license them is allowed.

    Apple isn’t going to put 5G into an iPhone until 2020, so it doesn’t matter what anyone else has “shown” now. Only what they have available next year.
     
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    Qualcomm's licensing revenue stream is what makes them valuable.

    It certainly matters that 5G demos are shown. Otherwise, you end up with a situation like Intel where they don't even have a non-working chip on display. Not to mention Intel, Samsung, and Mediatek are looking for socket wins from as many smartphone manufacturers as possible.
     
  9. 2010mini macrumors 601

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    Take your time apple. 5G is still in its baby stage
     
  10. Mr. Dee macrumors 68020

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    Unless you are a homeless person riding around on a bus all day will 5G matter to you.

    I agree, Apple really should work it out with Qualcomm and try get the best in their flagship devices. Considering that users are keeping their devices longer, you really don't want your customers to start thinking, 'well, I might choose the Samsung or the OnePlus because they have future proof technologies'.
     
  11. cmaier Suspended

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    Of course in reality they are likely to infringe on non-standards-essential patents as well, and those need not be licensed at FRAND rates.
     
  12. AppleScruff1 macrumors G3

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    Keep telling yourself that.
     
  13. Ramchi macrumors 6502a

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    For what every is worth, Apple approaches the situation differently by heavily lowering the prices and keep giving refreshes until they get GOOD 5G chip and EXCELLENT WiFi then people won't mind buying their mobiles at least until 2020.

    Remember, in 2021 4G mobiles won't fetch lots of resale value.... people planning to buy 4G mobiles in 2019, 2020,2021 will be apprehensive about it
     
  14. PickUrPoison macrumors 601

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    It seems like it would be exceedingly difficult to create a non-infringing baseband chip, knowingly or unknowingly. Would I be correct in thinking Apple expects to have to do a certain amount of licensing or design work-arounds post-release?
     
  15. mikethemartian macrumors 6502

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    I don’t get this fear people have with radio waves. The electromagnetic frequencies that lightbulbs and candles emit in the visible spectrum are about 10,000 higher in frequency than the radio waves used in cellphones. Why aren’t the same people afraid of lightbulbs and candles?
     
  16. cmaier Suspended

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    Presumably. In the end the strategy is probably to avoid non-FRAND patents they happen to already be aware of. If they infringe FRAND patents they will license them. If they infringe non-FRAND, they will scare away some patent holders because Apple has its own patents, too. Sometimes they will cross-license, sometimes they will be sued and either settle or end up paying a reasonable royalty. Etc.

    Cost of doing business.
     
  17. realtuner macrumors 65816

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    I would think this applies to Samsung, Intel, Huawei and any others who want to make a modem as well.
     
  18. DblHelix macrumors 6502

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    Intel is garbage. Their chips in the current iPhone suck compared to the Qualcomm in last gen. It took them how long to have a CDMA chip?
     
  19. AppleScruff1 macrumors G3

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    But many think it has.
     
  20. realtuner macrumors 65816

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    Didn’t you just say that Qualcomm owns 15% of 5G patents? I don’t see how Apple buying Qualcomm for only 15% of 5G makes them so valuable.

    Demos only matter if you make the assumption that all companies are willing to tell you their secrets about what they’re currently working on. You have absolutely no idea how far along Intel or Samsung are (or Apple, for that matter, who obviously won’t say a single word about their “modem” until the day it ends up in a shipping device).
     
  21. EM2013 macrumors 68000

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    Apple needs to kiss and make up with Qualcomm already.
     
  22. Baymowe335 macrumors 601

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    Yeah, that’s what I thought. Echo chamber and constant bashing of the most successful company of all time.
     
  23. cmaier Suspended

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    Yep. Of course each has different leverage with respect to their own patent portfolios. It would be hard for Qualcomm to do get much licensing leverage over Intel, for example, when Intel has so many patents that are fundamental to semiconductor processing and circuits. In some ways this is what makes “patent trolls” so scary to businesses - they aren’t afraid of anybody else’s patents. When competitors consider suing each other based on patents they have to consider the inevitable countersuit.
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    I’m just jumping in here, but Qualcomm does have some VERY fundamental patents (Viterbi encoding stuff) that mean that their 15% might be more valuable than others’ 15%.
     
  24. AdonisSMU macrumors 604

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    Why is intel simply piggybacking off of Qualcomm? Im shocked they havent built their own tech yet in this area.
     
  25. PickUrPoison, Apr 3, 2019
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    Gotcha, thx. I sure wouldn’t want to play hardball with Apple unless I was very sure of exactly how solid/robust my patent(s) were. Having them invalidated is not a desirable outcome :eek:
     

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