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5G is offered on different frequencies. Yes, MMwave 5G doesn’t travel far, doesn’t penetrate well, but Sub 6 GHz travels much further, penetrates much more effectively and will be the backbone of a lot of 5G networks.
I’m all for wireless backbone, and fixed wireless to increase competition with existing internet providers, but a 5G-capable iPhone isn’t part of that equation. Mobile users will see little tangible benefit from 5G.
 
Simply will not be the case, technically you’re correct, however 5G infrastructure is much easier to implement than land-based solutions for high speed connections. In the UK and much of Europe it is becoming a legal obligation for telecoms providers to guarantee high speed universal availability to all, regardless of location to the point where it will a legal requirement to offer you comms infrastructure to your competitors to ensure that equity of service and performance.
Yeah, well this is America, where most citizens have one to two potential cable providers and 2-3 cellular providers. The government isn't going to force them to do anything.
 
What the flip is wrong with Intel? They've needed to get their shish together for a long time now!
They’re more interested in getting their shish together with their CPUs. Apple knows that in the future, Intel’s main value to them will be as a backup plan rather than a reliable manufacturing partner.
 
Hmm, not even close. Apple is a profit *margin* company, not total profit one.

A few bucks here is a profit margin dip there. Multiple that by the (few) squillion iphones they're still selling and it's a great big loss (on an accountants spreadsheet).

Smarter companies sell more at a smaller profit margin for a greater total profit (think: any junk food supplier you like). But, sadly, that's not Apple anymore.
 
Not to mention Qualcomm has nothing of real value that Apple needs. Processors? Not even close to Apple so nothing of use there. Modems? Apple could choose from several companies if they’re in a bind (Samsung, Mediatek, Huawei, Intel). I’m sure either one would be thrilled to get a multi-billion dollar deal from Apple.
qualcomm has alot apple needs, there are a few patents in the iphones alone that apple had to come up with a work around when the german court granted apple violated QC's patents. QC's patent portfolio is so massive that samsung and all modem makers have to pay licensing fees, why you think samsung build its own oxyno processor thn use snapdragon for different market in all the galaxy lineups.

apple choosing intel cause they are in a bind is what landed apple in this mess in the first place.
 
I’m all for wireless backbone, and fixed wireless to increase competition with existing internet providers, but a 5G-capable iPhone isn’t part of that equation. Mobile users will see little tangible benefit from 5G.
Illusion and marketing. The average consumer sees “little tangible benefit” from most smartphone functions. They still want them in their phones. iPhones are luxury smartphones. They’re expensive (the most expensive). It may not be an issue in 2019. It may not even be an issue for a good part of 2020. But by the end of 2020 I suspect consumers are going to wonder why they’re paying more to access the last-generation network if they purchase an iPhone. These providers are going to be marketing and promoting 5G networks like crazy. Android device makers are going to be marketing and promoting their 5G devices like crazy. By next year they’re ALL going to be 5G. It will be standard. Will iPhones still be viewed as top-of-the-line? Luxury items?
 
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- Marketing - Apple has never had a check-list of features before Samsung (OLED screens, Large Phones, Dual Cameras, high screen:body ratio, multiple-cores, high-res) and in fact, Apple has had contra-features compared to Samsung (Headphone Jack, Thinner design with less battery, large bezels, NOTCH)

- How can "future-proofing" co-exist in an industry that, by your own admission, moves too quickly? You go on to claim Apple fans are downplaying an issue when you yourself just made it a non-issue or a reason for them not to upgrade to it. So which is it?

- Image - Why should Apple enthusiast care about image unless they own Apple stock and assuming lack of 5G will even effect their stock value... Last time I checked, Apple is still more valuable than Samsung & Google despite being behind on features and Samsung having announced a 5G phone well before Apple.

Fact of the matter is that 5G is mostly marketing at this point with the only worthwhile feature is not the increase in bandwidth, but rather than more intelligent connectivity.

- Signed an Android user.
Jesus Christ, you’re arguing for the sake of arguing.

Marketing: 5G is beginning to roll out now. Marketing will increase A LOT. 5G will be standard in Android phones by 2020. How do you market a phone that doesn’t even meet the standard until nearly 2-years later?

Future-proofing: see above. Christ.

Image: see above. Christ.
 
I'll be honest, I'm sick of the Qualcomm issue. Just pay a few bucks and keep up with the rest of the 5G world until there are alternative chips.
As bean counter as Apple, even one more cent is considered to be way too much.
 
It would be better if Apple could design their own chips. The world would be a better place for Apple (and delays almost eliminated) if Apple did all their own chips.

That's probably less likely to happen.
 
Jesus Christ, you’re arguing for the sake of arguing.

Marketing: 5G is beginning to roll out now. Marketing will increase A LOT. 5G will be standard in Android phones by 2020. How do you market a phone that doesn’t even meet the standard until nearly 2-years later?

Future-proofing: see above. Christ.

Image: see above. Christ.
5G is standard? Just because it has a huge potential does not mean it is “standard”. Also, if Apple follows, they will have first generation 5G, which means by the time 5G can shake the landscape of mobile network, these first generation phones would probably lack feature or processing power and such to actually take the full advantage of 5G.
Also, “beginning to roll out now”? Give me a break.
 
Any article talking about 5G as if it’s a total dealbreaker should also show worldwide coverage of 5G in 2020. I don’t get how many people get so turned on with 5G. I’ve yet to experience even full speed 3G/4G.
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Yes, but almost 3 years behind? Besides, the demand for smartphones wasn't nearly as high as it is now, not exactly the most fair comparison. People expect the latest tech as soon as possible in today's market.
Demand of 5G != demand of smartphone.
Show me worldwide 5G coverage in 2020 or 2021.

AT&T was right after all, people just want to up their neighbors by having a 5 instead of a 4 on their phones so they can brag about it, regardless actual utility/application of it.
 
Illusion and marketing. The average consumer sees “little tangible benefit” from most smartphone functions. They still want them in their phones. iPhones are luxury smartphones. They’re expensive (the most expensive). It may not be an issue in 2019. It may not even be an issue for a good part of 2020. But by the end of 2020 I suspect consumers are going to wonder why they’re paying more to access the last-generation network if they purchase an iPhone. These providers are going to be marketing and promoting 5G networks like crazy. Android device makers are going to be marketing and promoting their 5G devices like crazy. By next year they’re ALL going to be 5G. It will be standard. Will iPhones still be viewed as top-of-the-line? Luxury items?
The same argument could have been (and was) made about how iPhones needed 4G. And 3G to 4G was a huge jump. Apple took something like three years to add it, and the delay had little apparent effect on sales. iPhone buyers aren’t spec chasers. They like iPhone and that’s what they buy when they need/want to buy a new phone.

iPhone users are unlikely to give up their preferred platform just because Apple won’t have a 5G iPhone next year. Some will probably hold off on a planned upgrade, but that just defers sales to a later quarter.
 
thats a strong statement, apple execution for its products has been rather disappointing lately. their mac line up is not doing so well compare to the past, their mbp are riddled with issues left and right, keyboard, screen, t2, blown speakers, etc. apple watch battery expanding, causing screens to pop out. imacs are complete garbage and expensive to fix i wouldn't touch it with a 10 feet pole. the iphones sales are so bad that apple had to issue a earning report warning for the first time in 15 years.

apple is now slowly transiting to a service model with its apple tv and news+, with its hardware execution taking somewhat of a back seat,

while i do agree with others that i dont see the need for 5g since i'm happy with 4g, but not having 5g would definitely be a bad image for the most profitable company in the world.

am i still a apple fan? yes, otherwise i would've bugger off from this site a long time ago, but i think i'm at a point where i buy apple products because i eventually need to upgrade, not like before where i buy because i was excited for new features.
Mac and iPad JUST hit revenue records, so you’re wrong on Mac doing poorly.

You’re also overreacting and generalizing that the entire line of product is flawed because of a few threads on a forum.

Apple sells 300M units of gear and some of them have issues. If apple had a design problem, the issues would never go away and would constantly be in the news. It would be a tsunami of bad news that wouldn’t stop until they recalled the product and fixed it.

The earnings miss was primarily driven by a slowdown in China and was 1 single quarter. In 2018, revenue was up almost 20%. Trailing 12 month revenue in China was still up, despite the miss in Q1. I am confident Apple will turn China around and many other markets like the US, Canada, Germany, Italy Spain, South Korea, Vietnam, and others set records.
 
Mac and iPad JUST hit revenue records, so you’re wrong on Mac doing poorly.

You’re also overreacting and generalizing that the entire line of product is flawed because of a few threads on a forum.

Apple sells 300M units of gear and some of them have issues. If apple had a design problem, the issues would never go away and would constantly be in the news. It would be a tsunami of bad news that wouldn’t stop until they recalled the product and fixed it.

The earnings miss was primarily driven by a slowdown in China and was 1 single quarter. In 2018, revenue was up almost 20%. Trailing 12 month revenue in China was still up, despite the miss in Q1. I am confident Apple will turn China around and many other markets like the US, Canada, Germany, Italy Spain, South Korea, Vietnam, and others set records.

300m in total? or just in 2018, please show source.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382302/unit-sales-of-apple-by-product-category/
this source supports my conclusion pretty strongly.

apple does have a problem with its design for mbp, not one single reviewer or youtube personality would disagree with that, the number of butterfly revision apple has pushed out since 2016 is a strong testament to that. the avg consumer prob is too lazy or don't care enough if one of their keys on the keyboard is not responding well or double typing.

the number of lawsuits and complaints/news media coverage of apple hardware failure is at an all time high. you have to be living under a rock or just straight up don't pay attention if you failed to see that.

the china slowdown argument has been overly magnified, its not the only factor but just one of the factor, only a few month later apple is pushing strong trade in deals to get their Xr out of the door. that is something unprecedented in the history of iphones. apple will face a uphill battle now that trump got the chinese consumers rallying behind huawei phones. apple will not do well in vietnam since their avg income is no where near enough for someone who makes 10k usd a year to justify an iphone purchase, this pattern has been shown in india where apple tried to push into that market but ultimately failed.
 
Just wait for Intel to cancel the chips altogether, citing an inability achieve their high standards.

See if it's as gut-wrenching for you as it was for us… :(

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I had Intel do this to me on a major supercomputer procurement for the US government (and not just once, but multiple times). Trust me, with Intel for a friend, you don't need an enemy.
 
I don't need 5G. With all the controversies around it, and the apparent, global no-need for it, why even bother?
 
As I recall, Apple was one of the last to the LTE party as well. Doesn't seem to have had any long term effects.
Irrelevant, those were different times.
The smartphone market back then was still growing at a fast pace and there were a lot more first time smartphone buyers.
 
Apple chips have proven superior to all others, their modem chip will likely be superior as well. It will be worth the wait.
I highly doubt it.
If building the best 5G modem is a matter of having build in the past a great CPU then taking in consideration Intel's experience and R&D budget their modems would be competitive with Qualcomm's and they would have a 5G modem ready this year but they obviously don't.
 
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5g will take a while to roll out and become fairly standard, which means Apple will probably have it in their phones well before it’s actually useful to anyone

But if 5g is promoted heavily from now, it might be a hard year or two of asking a premium price for a phone that doesn’t already have next years tech.
 
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