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What makes you think a company with zero modem building experience will come-up with a top class product?
They have like $200,000,000,000 in cash to buy people that DO have experience, that's why. You think Tim Cook and Ive are going to be the ones designing modems? :eek:
 
They have like $200,000,000,000 in cash to buy people that DO have experience, that's why. You think Tim Cook and Ive are going to be the ones designing modems? :eek:
With that logic Apple should be the best best in every category under the sun because, as you took pleasure in pointing out, they have some money hanging around.

Oh and there's zero inidaction Apple are hiring modem developers but OK whatever.....
 
Actually, i'd rather a mobile service to support 5G service first, before the phone came out.... This would mean i'd have a 5G phone for few years that i can only connect at LTE...Not good

Sure, but 5G goes live in London in just a few months time as well as in other major cities across the world.

Each network will roll-out at different paces of course but the pace of 5G roll-out will be a hell of a lot faster than 4G.
 
What makes you think a company with zero modem building experience will come-up with a top class product?

They have hired people from Intel and Qualcomm and will continue to hire people with the expertise they need.
They ship their own GPU on the iPhone now, as they do for the CPU. A modem isn't easy at all but they can make it with the right people, the question is when they'll be able to deliver it.
We don't know when they started working on it and how many people are involved, so we can't make a prediction. The legal battle with Qualcomm may have forced them to speed up the process, but in hardware and software even if you have plenty of money to spend you can't hire thousands of engineers and significantly cut the time necessary to complete a project.
 
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It’s quite funny that people think this will have adverse effects on iPhone sales or Apple’s image.

Remember how long it took the iPhone to get 4G or LTE? Yeah nothing happened. Apple still became the most valuable company in the world.
 
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They have like $200,000,000,000 in cash to buy people that DO have experience, that's why. You think Tim Cook and Ive are going to be the ones designing modems? :eek:
Let's be serious, money is not the problem.
Money certainly didn't help them with the Air Power for example.

Anyway answer this questions.
Intel is quite wealthy company and certainly they have a lot of IP, talent and financial resources to design any chip they want. So why aren't they able to launch a 5G modem this year like Qualcomm is? I mean Intel certainly has way more money than Qualcomm for example.
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It’s quite funny that people think this will have adverse effects on iPhone sales or Apple’s image.

Remember how long it took the iPhone to get 4G or LTE? Yeah nothing happened. Apple still became the most valuable company in the world.
It's irrelevant, the smartphone market is saturated right now and its harder and harder for manufacturers to distance themselves from the competition.
Back then the smartphone market was still growing at a fast pace. That is obviously not happening right now.
 
This is a big deal. Apple is sitting 5G out this year, which is fine - the only tech using it will be those compromised handsets (like the 1st ones from 4G).

But skipping out on 5G at the end of 2020 is really not an option - this (Sept 2021 deployment) would be a year later than their 4G release in relative terms. I guess the tech for it must be hard. Not sure if its too late to switch horses - but Apple should go talk to Qualcomm and get this nailed down. Qualcomm runs things like the mob, but this is your main product...
 
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Any article talking about 5G as if it’s a total dealbreaker should also show worldwide coverage of 5G in 2020. I don’t get how many people get so turned on with 5G. I’ve yet to experience even full speed 3G/4G.
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Demand of 5G != demand of smartphone.
Show me worldwide 5G coverage in 2020 or 2021.

AT&T was right after all, people just want to up their neighbors by having a 5 instead of a 4 on their phones so they can brag about it, regardless actual utility/application of it.
I suspect it won’t be as fun once an Android user in 2020 enjoys 5G speeds and use cases where as we have to wait until 2021, even if 5G won’t be as widespread.
 
It's irrelevant, the smartphone market is saturated right now and its harder and harder for manufacturers to distance themselves from the competition.

Name the Apple competitors that have their own OS running on their own SoC design. I think it's mainly the phones that rely on Android that are finding it harder and harder to differentiate with each other.
 
I think it's mainly the phones that rely on Android that are finding it harder and harder to differentiate with each other.
No I'm talking about smartphones in general.
5G is the next step from phone OEMs and the mobile phone industry in generally and the hope for most phone OEMs is that it will also boost phone sales.

Name the Apple competitors that have their own OS running on their own SoC design.

This is a very old thing and Apple has been using it for years. It won't suddenly become more relevant now that 5G is starting to become a thing.
And there are quite a few Android OEMs that design their own SOCs, camera sensors, screens and so on.
5G is something new, something Apple won't be able to offer for quite some time.
 
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I suspect it won’t be as fun once an Android user in 2020 enjoys 5G speeds and use cases where as we have to wait until 2021, even if 5G won’t be as widespread.

The question is how noticeable the jump from 4G LTE to 5G will be for the average customer in 2019/2020.
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This is a very old thing and Apple has been using it for years. It won't suddenly become more relevant now that 5G is starting to become a thing.

Right. It's old, but other companies still can't provide it in their products, so it's still a very valuable differentiation for Apple. Also the word "starting" is the key point. 5G isn't going to be mature for what it delivers to customers for a long, long time. Most of the 5G phones in the first couple of years will rely heavily on 4G and 4G LTE to save battery life.
 
For the foreseeable future 5G has absolutely no impact on phones. In 4-5 years maybe - but now - nope. To many issues with the 5G part. Your hand is a super 5G signal blocker (90'ish GHz) - so most 5G will happen at 4G on the new 5G phones.

Only thing that is a benefit is lower latency but most people do not need that. 5G is just a hype for people to spend money on new handsets.

To get 5G inside your house - you will need to mount signal repeaters on your windows! Else you are just back at 4G.

5G is really NOT meant for phone handsets - but Phones are being used as an excuse to increase cost and get coverage out. 5G is a Fiber "alternative" - not a 4G upgrade.
 
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No I'm talking about smartphones in general.
5G is the next step from phone OEMs and the mobile phone industry in generally and the hope for most phone OEMs is that it will also boost phone sales.



This is a very old thing and Apple has been using it for years. It won't suddenly become more relevant now that 5G is starting to become a thing.
And there are quite a few Android OEMs that design their own SOCs, camera sensors, screens and so on.
5G is something new, something Apple won't be able to offer for quite some time.

I think Apple will be fine with stubborn iOS users continue using their iPhones but attracting Android users and forcing current iOS users from upgrading at $1000-$1800 price point without best tech like 5G, top notch WiFi will be a difficult task. As you have corrected observed that overall mobile phone industry is saturated comprticompis reality. Next service revenue could be licensing iOS to OEM for a premium.
 
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Right. It's old, but other companies still can't provide it in their products, so it's still a very valuable differentiation for Apple. Also the word "starting" is the key point. 5G isn't going to be mature for what it delivers to customers for a long, long time. Most of the 5G phones in the first couple of years will rely heavily on 4G and 4G LTE to save battery life.
It's not a valuable differentiator against 5G.
That's my point. Apple has those things now and they don't work incredibly well for them. The lack of a 5G offering from them will be incredibly visible especially next year when manufacturers and carriers will push 5G like crazy.
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I think Apple will be fine with stubborn iOS users continue using their iPhones but attracting Android users and forcing current iOS users from upgrading at $1000-$1800 price point without best tech like 5G, top notch WiFi will be a difficult task. As you have corrected observed that overall mobile phone industry is saturated comprticompis reality. Next service revenue could be licensing iOS to OEM for a premium.
Bingo. Every person that pays +500$ on an Android phone is a potential iphone costumer. How many of these users will Apple be able to attract in the next 2 years? I would say way less than up until now. This will obviously create a problem for them because the way things look they will actually lose users in the next period.

Next service revenue could be licensing iOS to OEM for a premium.

If Xiaomi starts manufacturing 350$ Redmi Note 7 Pro style phones running iOS Apple will be in world of problems.
So I don't think they will ever license iOS.
 
… May I ask what you do for a living and what software you use? :)
By day, I'm a professional dancer at the @keysofanxiety mansion. Great job, can't complain much; I just wish he'd let us out sometimes.

For the GIF in the quote, it's mostly free 3D modeling software called Blender. I found a stock iPhone X model for free, textured it hastily, made the AirPower (R.I.P.) model out of a couple scaled loop-cut cubes, and ran a rigid body simulation on the phone to make it fall a little.

Then for the particles, I used the generic AfterEffects "shatter" effect. I cranked up the resolution of the shatter, turned off gravity, and added a turbulent displacement effect.

I tried to get the whole thing done in Blender, but I kept running into issues. :(
 
Most places in Canada average speed now is 16Mbps or less - about 20% of LTE speed limit. How my future 5G modem would makes any sense if providers can triple the speed right now without any 5G network.
 
I think it would make a lot of sense if Apple skipped an iPhone launch a year to get its product line and logistics together

As good as the next iPhone may be be... I’m the not upgrading my 256GB XS Max for until 2020. And these phones prices have increased to the point that it’s financially reckless to upgrade every year

Apple knows that the pool of people who upgrade every year is dwindling... wouldn’t it make sense to Apple that they just skip a year or move to an every other year product launch

But that also means Apple needs to find another niche to offset t
 
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FastCompay - that site is toxic. I just had a view of some of their other articles. Full of ideological driven identify politics. Wouldn't trust anything they write.
 
qualcomm has alot apple needs, there are a few patents in the iphones alone that apple had to come up with a work around when the german court granted apple violated QC's patents. QC's patent portfolio is so massive that samsung and all modem makers have to pay licensing fees, why you think samsung build its own oxyno processor thn use snapdragon for different market in all the galaxy lineups.

apple choosing intel cause they are in a bind is what landed apple in this mess in the first place.

Apple isn’t in any kind of mess. Qualcomm, losing case after case and paying billions in fines, is the one who’s in trouble.
 
Apple couldn’t think clearly because short term financial gain takes priority. Just pay Qualcomm patent fee while working on your own chip. Make your own in two to three years, and then ditch Qualcomm.
And they’d still be stuck paying whatever that patent fee is.
 
15% represents the largest share of 5G patents held by any one company. When the 5G standard will be used by every single smartphone and IoT device in the world, that's huge.

Intel and Samsung are out there to sell their modems and win sockets. That's why you hear Intel and Samsung talk about their progress publicly. Apple has no plans to sell their modems.

Samsung and Huawei both have a larger share of 5G patents than Qualcomm.
 
I suspect it won’t be as fun once an Android user in 2020 enjoys 5G speeds and use cases where as we have to wait until 2021, even if 5G won’t be as widespread.
How many Android handsets actually have 5G, and on which carrier? Oh you have to get a carrier specific handset and live in select few metropolitan areas?

I’m not holding my breath, and I’m mature enough to not feel intimidated by a number 5. Majority of Android handsets sold in 2020 and 2021 will be 4G only anyway.
 
Samsung and Huawei both have a larger share of 5G patents than Qualcomm.
Of course that’s all largely meaningless. Not all patents are equally important, and these “share” figures are typically done by self-declaration. If a company is willing to declare that X-number of patents are “essential” to the standard (and hence be willing to license them as FRAND), it is assumed they are actually essential.

I’ve looked in detail at massive “essential” portfolios and found that oftentimes many of the patents are not actually essential. I’ve also looked at non-essential patents and found that sometimes they actually are. Then you have patents that are essential in the sense that you need them, but only if you implement OPTIONAL parts of the spec (so many times you don’t need the license anyway).

So in the end I don’t think people should spend too much time comparing the number of patents.
 
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